2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion

[ThunderBolt]

Do I sound excited about that option? That certainly wasn't my intent. I just don't think Adams, Oladipo and Kanter will get us good established players.

We agree on that. My point was as much as people in general. There are a lot of people who think Russ is just going to stay no matter how bad OKC is. I think he cares too much about winning to stay in OKC past next year when he will get his 35% max from whatever team he signs with.

I don't think it's automatic that he stays. It will be interesting how negotiations play out. Likely Presti says, sign an extension and we'll put together a better team to surround you. Then Russ says, put together that team and then I'll decide if I want to sign an extension.

[Osirus89]

Russell holds all the leverage. He says "I won't sign an extension unless you do xyz", then they do wxyz. They aren't in a position to ask him to commit first. They want to play that game, they will lose every time.

Here is what Russ does if they play hardball. Thunder FO says to commit or they trade him. Ok that's fine, but my agent will just tell every team that I won't sign an extension and will walk when I am a free agent. My trade value is now ruined. You won't get a good package if I flat out say I won't commit to a team, no matter who it is. As long as he doesn't sign an extension, he is a free agent after next season. A trade doesn't change that fact.

That would be a very ugly end to his time in OKC, but that would be how it would end if the front office tries to take a hardline in negotiations. Potential free agents hold the power, that's just the way it is. You can theorycraft trade scenarios all you want, but he can blow that up by saying " Trade me if you want to, but I'm not resigning there. "

[bondom34]

Honestly I've been more excited for this offseason because it's just so uncertain. It might be a disaster, but I expect stuff to happen. My best honest guess is Kanter is gone, they find a backup PG and a wing on a questionable deal a la Kanter to swap him for.

[Andre Roberstan]

Honestly I've been more excited for this offseason because it's just so uncertain. It might be a disaster, but I expect stuff to happen. My best honest guess is Kanter is gone, they find a backup PG and a wing on a questionable deal a la Kanter to swap him for.

Whatever happens happens at this point. This team is going to make me a fatalist.

[Pillendreher]

This team makes me play 2K17 just to make moves. I turned Kanter, Lauvergne, Christon and another player into WCS, Matthews and Justin Anderson. Oladipo still couldn't hit shots tho

[Dn4sty]

Thunder get Carroll, Joseph, Joe Harris, and Celtics 1st
Nets get Kanter, Powell multiple 2nds (from both Raptors and OKC)
Raptors get OKC 1st and Huestis

OKC does this for these reasons. Backup PG, a decent wing , and another shooter is Harris. I'd then just draft best player available at the Celtics pick.

The Nets get picks, Powell who is really under rated and on a cheap deal. They also get a chance to run Kanter with second unit or even as starting center if they trade Lopez. Also Kanter likely opts out after next year anyway, so this is primarily done to acquire assets (picks and powell)

The Raptors clear over 20 million in salary to help retain Lowry, Ibaka, Tucker and a 1st round pick

[Pillendreher]

Thunder get Carroll, Joseph, Joe Harris, and Celtics 1st
Nets get Kanter, Powell multiple 2nds (from both Raptors and OKC)
Raptors get OKC 1st and Huestis

OKC does this for these reasons. Backup PG, a decent wing , and another shooter is Harris. I'd then just draft best player available at the Celtics pick.

The Nets get picks, Powell who is really under rated and on a cheap deal. They also get a chance to run Kanter with second unit or even as starting center if they trade Lopez. Also Kanter likely opts out after next year anyway, so this is primarily done to acquire assets (picks and powell)

The Raptors clear over 20 million in salary to help retain Lowry, Ibaka, Tucker and a 1st round pick

I want Powell, not Carroll.

[Andre Roberstan]

Thunder get Carroll, Joseph, Joe Harris, and Celtics 1st
Nets get Kanter, Powell multiple 2nds (from both Raptors and OKC)
Raptors get OKC 1st and Huestis

OKC does this for these reasons. Backup PG, a decent wing , and another shooter is Harris. I'd then just draft best player available at the Celtics pick.

The Nets get picks, Powell who is really under rated and on a cheap deal. They also get a chance to run Kanter with second unit or even as starting center if they trade Lopez. Also Kanter likely opts out after next year anyway, so this is primarily done to acquire assets (picks and powell)

The Raptors clear over 20 million in salary to help retain Lowry, Ibaka, Tucker and a 1st round pick

Actually works under CBA from OKC side—didn't think it would.

I don't see the Raps giving up Powell to clear cap space, though. Fine with it from OKC's end, though Carroll's contract doesn't exactly make me jump for joy.

Think the Raps would ask for Lin from the Nets and probably one of OKC's young guys too.

[Andre Roberstan]

FYI, just checked and the Kings have a stupid amount of cap space next year based on most likely outcomes. And they like big men and shooting guards.

[Pillendreher]

FYI, just checked and the Kings have a stupid amount of cap space next year based on most likely outcomes. And they like big men and shooting guards.

But no talent we'd want. So what's the point?

[ThunderBolt]

FYI, just checked and the Kings have a stupid amount of cap space next year based on most likely outcomes. And they like big men and shooting guards.

Maybe we can get an older, rehabbing Rudy Gay.

[Andre Roberstan]

FYI, just checked and the Kings have a stupid amount of cap space next year based on most likely outcomes. And they like big men and shooting guards.

But no talent we'd want. So what's the point?

Prime Kanter destination if they were to want him, good 3rd trade partner in any trade that opens up space. Also you're underestimating their young guys a bit—WCS in particular is a guy I'd want.

[bondom34]

FYI, just checked and the Kings have a stupid amount of cap space next year based on most likely outcomes. And they like big men and shooting guards.

But no talent we'd want. So what's the point?

Prime Kanter destination if they were to want him, good 3rd trade partner in any trade that opens up space. Also you're underestimating their young guys a bit—WCS in particular is a guy I'd want.

I'd still like to see if they could get Miami to bite on McBob and TJ for cap space and send out Kanter.

[Andre Roberstan]

FYI, just checked and the Kings have a stupid amount of cap space next year based on most likely outcomes. And they like big men and shooting guards.

Maybe we can get an older, rehabbing Rudy Gay.

James Ham seems to think he could opt out and likely try to play elsewhere.

[Pillendreher]

FYI, just checked and the Kings have a stupid amount of cap space next year based on most likely outcomes. And they like big men and shooting guards.

But no talent we'd want. So what's the point?

Prime Kanter destination if they were to want him, good 3rd trade partner in any trade that opens up space. Also you're underestimating their young guys a bit—WCS in particular is a guy I'd want.

Wasn't there some thread about WCS where people were saying he was kinda meh since Cousins got traded?

[Andre Roberstan]

But no talent we'd want. So what's the point?

Prime Kanter destination if they were to want him, good 3rd trade partner in any trade that opens up space. Also you're underestimating their young guys a bit—WCS in particular is a guy I'd want.

Wasn't there some thread about WCS where people were saying he was kinda meh since Cousins got traded?

Probably. But I like the guy.

He's not much on offense, but he's a decent roller and very, very fast and agile for a center. Decent defender on and off ball with potential for more. They used him as their primary KD defender last year.

[Pillendreher]

Prime Kanter destination if they were to want him, good 3rd trade partner in any trade that opens up space. Also you're underestimating their young guys a bit—WCS in particular is a guy I'd want.

Wasn't there some thread about WCS where people were saying he was kinda meh since Cousins got traded?

Probably. But I like the guy.

He's not much on offense, but he's a decent roller and very, very fast and agile for a center. Decent defender on and off ball with potential for more. They used him as their primary KD defender last year.

What would we have to give up for him tho? And what would his role be? We're currently trying to feature two centers and it hurts us.

[bondom34]

What hurts is one center can't play.

[Andre Roberstan]

Wasn't there some thread about WCS where people were saying he was kinda meh since Cousins got traded?

Probably. But I like the guy.

He's not much on offense, but he's a decent roller and very, very fast and agile for a center. Decent defender on and off ball with potential for more. They used him as their primary KD defender last year.

What would we have to give up for him tho? And what would his role be? We're currently trying to feature two centers and it hurts us.

Heck if I know. I'd target him in a Kanter trade, but it's unlikely. Probably bench center. Might make Adams expendable in a year or two if he developed well, and if not you can move him along if Dakari comes along well. But if I were trying to make a team that can run with small-ball teams, he's the kind of guy I'd go for.

WCS isn't a guy you "feature".

[ThunderBolt]

I thought wcs put up some really solid numbers after counsins left. Better numbers than Adams puts up currently.