2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion

[ThunderBolt]

I was reading on the Trades and transactions board and came across a wild idea. Toronto loses to Milwaukee and blows up their roster. Derozan is one of the few guys that is actually close with Russ. I've seen them talking and giving bro-hugs before and after games. He's not a perfect second option but I would take him.

[jambalaya]

His salary is absurd. His ego is absurd.

But for Kanter, Abrines and whatever, ok.

For Oladipo, maybe.

For anything else, probably not possible or desirable.

[jambalaya]

Osirus is right. Russ has all the leverage.

But does he know how to use it to improve team? No sign that he objected to massive early overlays before truly earning it to Vic and Steven. No sign he ever said anything about it or any other move. No objections (probably) to Christon, Cole.

Who does he want and is he right to want them? He should want vets who shoot and pass and aren't Smurfs. But the guys he likes are timid, deferential, young Smurfs it seems.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Who does he want and is he right to want them? He should want vets who shoot and pass and aren't Smurfs. But the guys he likes are timid, deferential, young Smurfs it seems.

Last time I checked Russ wasn't the GM. Russ was reported to have been recruiting Horford this off-season and then Horford signed with Boston after cupcake said he wasn't committing to OKC. Russ also tried to recruit Pau Gasol, along with cupcake, a few years ago when Pau signed with Chicago for about triple the money OKC could offer.

The reality is OKC got screwed when the little child ran off the west coast so he could watch a team cruise in the playoffs while it sat on the bench. There is no path back to being a contender in the near future. OKC needs to tear it down and rebuild. That is their only chance of becoming a contender again in the next decade.

[jambalaya]

Abrines, Singler, Huestis and whatever else necessary for Crabbe, Harkless or other overpaid but playable wing.

[jambalaya]

I never heard Russ did anything to try to get Horford (maybe i misses it. link?) and it and Gasol were unrealistic pipedreams / makework.

If he doesn't get involved in GMing and do it right he is doomed to be Carmelo like in terms of contention from here.

Almost impossible to tear down Oladip, Kanter, Adams at those prices. The gold rush is mostly over, the cap isn't going to grow much more. Tear down was probably the better move given Presti's skill set but he locked in meh with his fast overspending.

[InTheSabonus]

I just don't think it's in Russell's nature to do recruiting. As he said, spalding is his friend on the court. He's just too quiet and reserved off the court and too competitive on it. Which is more than respectable in a professional sports setting in a way, but yeah, it might well be detrimental sometimes. But it's just not Russ to go around making demands.

[ThunderBolt]

His salary is absurd. His ego is absurd.

But for Kanter, Abrines and whatever, ok.

For Oladipo, maybe.

For anything else, probably not possible or desirable.

For Derozan? He's far from a perfect player but he's a solid number 2 option. Let's suppose okc could get his for Oladipo+Sabonis or Adams and change, maybe throw in our draft pick. I would say everyone else out on the floor with Russ and Derozan needs to be able to hit a three. Abrines & McDermott would be important. Also, a big that hits threes like kaminsky or muscala.

[Pillendreher]

His salary is absurd. His ego is absurd.

But for Kanter, Abrines and whatever, ok.

For Oladipo, maybe.

For anything else, probably not possible or desirable.

For Derozan? He's far from a perfect player but he's a solid number 2 option. Let's suppose okc could get his for Oladipo+Sabonis or Adams and change, maybe throw in our draft pick. I would say everyone else out on the floor with Russ and Derozan needs to be able to hit a three. Abrines & McDermott would be important. Also, a big that hits threes like kaminsky or muscala.

Derozan is not a good basketball player. He gets his numbers, but the impact on the court isn't there. Never has and probably never will be.

[ThunderBolt]

His salary is absurd. His ego is absurd.

But for Kanter, Abrines and whatever, ok.

For Oladipo, maybe.

For anything else, probably not possible or desirable.

For Derozan? He's far from a perfect player but he's a solid number 2 option. Let's suppose okc could get his for Oladipo+Sabonis or Adams and change, maybe throw in our draft pick. I would say everyone else out on the floor with Russ and Derozan needs to be able to hit a three. Abrines & McDermott would be important. Also, a big that hits threes like kaminsky or muscala.

Derozan is not a good basketball player. He gets his numbers, but the impact on the court isn't there. Never has and probably never will be.

Why do you say he's not a good player? I agree he's not on Westbrook's level but he averages almost 28ppg. Yes his 3p% is bad, but I still think he's a good player. He's a guy that could help us when we need offense and ease pressure off Russ. He's a better second option than Oladipo, in my opinion.

[bondom34]

For Derozan? He's far from a perfect player but he's a solid number 2 option. Let's suppose okc could get his for Oladipo+Sabonis or Adams and change, maybe throw in our draft pick. I would say everyone else out on the floor with Russ and Derozan needs to be able to hit a three. Abrines & McDermott would be important. Also, a big that hits threes like kaminsky or muscala.

Derozan is not a good basketball player. He gets his numbers, but the impact on the court isn't there. Never has and probably never will be.

Why do you say he's not a good player? I agree he's not on Westbrook's level but he averages almost 28ppg. Yes his 3p% is bad, but I still think he's a good player. He's a guy that could help us when we need offense and ease pressure off Russ. He's a better second option than Oladipo, in my opinion.

Doesn't defend, doesn't shoot the 3, and makes about 10 mil more than Dipo. It's a downgrade and more money, he's the SG version of Melo.

[bondom34]

Well we've reached peak stupid.

[Pillendreher]

Well we've reached peak stupid.

Who?

[bondom34]

Well we've reached peak stupid.

Who?

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lol 2 games.

[Pillendreher]

Well we've reached peak stupid.

Who?

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lol 2 games.

James Harden makes all of his teammates better and Russ doesn't (told to me by some random Houston fan).

[bondom34]

Who?

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1554553

lol 2 games.

James Harden makes all of his teammates better and Russ doesn't (told to me by some random Houston fan).

http://www.thedreamshake.com/2017/4/21/15378112/russell-westbrook-nba-mvp-james-harden-vote-tracking

Trophies to end this season:

OKC - 1

Houston - 0

[ThunderBolt]

Derozan is not a good basketball player. He gets his numbers, but the impact on the court isn't there. Never has and probably never will be.

Why do you say he's not a good player? I agree he's not on Westbrook's level but he averages almost 28ppg. Yes his 3p% is bad, but I still think he's a good player. He's a guy that could help us when we need offense and ease pressure off Russ. He's a better second option than Oladipo, in my opinion.

Doesn't defend, doesn't shoot the 3, and makes about 10 mil more than Dipo. It's a downgrade and more money, he's the SG version of Melo.

I think he's better than Oladipo. He's a 6'7 shooting guard. At that height I would think he could play small forward in a small ball lineup.

[bondom34]

Why do you say he's not a good player? I agree he's not on Westbrook's level but he averages almost 28ppg. Yes his 3p% is bad, but I still think he's a good player. He's a guy that could help us when we need offense and ease pressure off Russ. He's a better second option than Oladipo, in my opinion.

Doesn't defend, doesn't shoot the 3, and makes about 10 mil more than Dipo. It's a downgrade and more money, he's the SG version of Melo.

I think he's better than Oladipo. He's a 6'7 shooting guard. At that height I would think he could play small forward in a small ball lineup.

He scores more, but that's about it. He's played about 25 percent of his time at the SF, but not a ton. He'd see a decrease in usage, is a heavy iso player, doesn't space the floor as well or defend and makes $27 mil. I think that contract is awful on all levels.

[bondom34]

Also, Vic's shot has sucked in his first 2 playoff games. Here's what an extra few mil next season gets, with an older guy with worse defense.

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[ThunderBolt]

Also, Vic's shot has sucked in his first 2 playoff games. Here's what an extra few mil next season gets, with an older guy with worse defense.

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Well they've both sucked in the playoffs but I wouldn't judge either of them based on three games only.