Trade Ideas, AKA Please God Bring Us Shooters

[Balkman32]

Any buy out candidates that anyone is interested in? I think if the Knicks cut Kanter he could be a nice addition to the team. The Thunder wouldn't use him against the Warriors or the Rockets. But, I think he could be an asset against the Spurs in a playoff series. He could also relieve some of the offensive stress in the 2nd unit. If Roberson comes back he has shown the ability to cover for Kanter defensive liability as well.

[Balkman32]

Wait, I feel like I'm misunderstanding this?

Let’s say Boogie came back and sucked or reinjured himself. Is the current okc roster capable of beating the Cousinless warriors roster in a playoff series? I think most would say no. Our starters are really good but our bench sucks. In the aforementioned scenario if we bolstered the bench significantly at the trade deadline it could at least make things interesting.

Now that cousins has come back and the warriors are even better. So at this point where do we stand? Does the front office believe that the current roster is close enough to championship caliber that this years Corey Brewer will be enough or will they be willing to make a major trade if it’s available even if it potentially hurts us down the road?

Call me a pessimistic but I thought the opposite.

Before boogie came back I was like ''maybe we can make an huge trade to compete with the warriors if boogie isn't play well''

Now I'm ''Why bother trading assets now that we know it's impossible to beat Gs with an healthy Cousins?''

I think Roberson will be the biggest guy we add to this roster. With Ferguson fully entrenched as the starter, getting Dre back would immediately fix the defensive issue the Thunder are having with the 2nd unit. This team can hang with GS. They have their big 7, but other than that they are playing Quinn Cook and Kevon Looney.

In a perfect work the Thunder add a wing that can play with George, Westbrook, and Ferguson for an extended period of time. Who knows maybe this guy is a combo of Roberson and Abrines.

[Balkman32]

how would you all feel about etwaun Moore for abrines, diallo and a second? Moore is under contract for next year at 8.6 mil and is shooting 41.7% from the 3pt line. He would also fit into our trade exception but I dont think just a couple seconds would be enough to acquire him.

I want to see how Diallo plays out. Plus that move would cost the Thunders management $10 million in lux tax fees, I don't see this deal being an option as currently constructed.

[Dadouv47]

Let’s say Boogie came back and sucked or reinjured himself. Is the current okc roster capable of beating the Cousinless warriors roster in a playoff series? I think most would say no. Our starters are really good but our bench sucks. In the aforementioned scenario if we bolstered the bench significantly at the trade deadline it could at least make things interesting.

Now that cousins has come back and the warriors are even better. So at this point where do we stand? Does the front office believe that the current roster is close enough to championship caliber that this years Corey Brewer will be enough or will they be willing to make a major trade if it’s available even if it potentially hurts us down the road?

Call me a pessimistic but I thought the opposite.

Before boogie came back I was like ''maybe we can make an huge trade to compete with the warriors if boogie isn't play well''

Now I'm ''Why bother trading assets now that we know it's impossible to beat Gs with an healthy Cousins?''

I think Roberson will be the biggest guy we add to this roster. With Ferguson fully entrenched as the starter, getting Dre back would immediately fix the defensive issue the Thunder are having with the 2nd unit. This team can hang with GS. They have their big 7, but other than that they are playing Quinn Cook and Kevon Looney.

In a perfect work the Thunder add a wing that can play with George, Westbrook, and Ferguson for an extended period of time. Who knows maybe this guy is a combo of Roberson and Abrines.

I'm more hopeful about Russ shooting 50/40/90 during the playoffs than Roberson being back this year at 80% of his prior level

[cjmcallist]

IIRC right now we have the following picks available to be traded:

2020 2rp
2021 2rp
2024 1rp
2025 1rp

We can only trade one of the ‘24 or ‘25 1rp. I would do either unprotected for AD. Would you give one of those 1rp up for Jrue? That might get us in the conversation. But that would really tie us up if another opportunity came around. Is Jrue worth that opportunity cost?

[spearsy23]

Is it fair to ask how good Davis actually is impact wise? The answer is obviously very, but is it in line with other star players? He has a solid supporting cast and the net rating for the team is +4.5 with him in the game. That's more Blake Griffin than Kevin Durant.

[cjmcallist]

Is it fair to ask how good Davis actually is impact wise? The answer is obviously very, but is it in line with other star players? He has a solid supporting cast and the net rating for the team is +4.5 with him in the game. That's more Blake Griffin than Kevin Durant.

I’ve wondered that myself. Apparently (via Windhorst on Hoop Collective pod) his high school team was horrible. Then he won at UK with a mini-NBA program under Cal. But he hasn’t been able to get the Pels over the hump either. Maybe there’s a pattern? Not sure.

It makes me think about PG. He is talked about as a 1b franchise guy. AD could be the same. Just needs/wants a supernova type guy to play off of. Perfect for resigning in OKC.

[Balkman32]

IIRC right now we have the following picks available to be traded:

2020 2rp
2021 2rp
2024 1rp
2025 1rp

We can only trade one of the ‘24 or ‘25 1rp. I would do either unprotected for AD. Would you give one of those 1rp up for Jrue? That might get us in the conversation. But that would really tie us up if another opportunity came around. Is Jrue worth that opportunity cost?

Russell Westbrook will be 35 on the night of the 2024 Draft. Is there a rule that you can only trade a first round pick so many years out?

To give up a first rounder for Jrue, I am assuming that's including Schroder (who we just gave up a first round pick for). I like the ideal of Jrue. He is better than Schroder but he is also older and you might have to start him.

I think the Thunder should concentrate on AD or a Wing that can play with the 2nd unit just in case Abrines and Roberson can't come back and contribute.

The Abrines injury is so weird. Its like he contracted some disease, hopefully he recovers sooner rather than later.

[Pillendreher]

Is it fair to ask how good Davis actually is impact wise? The answer is obviously very, but is it in line with other star players? He has a solid supporting cast and the net rating for the team is +4.5 with him in the game. That's more Blake Griffin than Kevin Durant.

It is. Context matters, but if this is your "résumé" for the first 7 years of your career, you're probably not as good as some people think:

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[RalphSampsonJr]

Is it fair to ask how good Davis actually is impact wise? The answer is obviously very, but is it in line with other star players? He has a solid supporting cast and the net rating for the team is +4.5 with him in the game. That's more Blake Griffin than Kevin Durant.

The old Kevin Love effect.

Its definitely a fair question. Those numbers he puts up just maybe emptier than pepple realise

[ThunderBolt]

I guess the question I have is, is it possible to beat the warriors without adding another superstar. Even if we add some really nice role players for relatively cheap, how close does that get us? This is especially true as long as Russ keeps bricking jumpers.

[SecondTake]

We can beat them IF Ferg keeps making 40%+ of his threes and starts consistently adding ~15 points a game. But we still need someone on that second unit who can defend the parameter, drill a couple of 3s and create his own shot. With GSW bench being as bad as it is, we just need to make sure that ours isn't that much worse.

[slick_watts]

Is it fair to ask how good Davis actually is impact wise? The answer is obviously very, but is it in line with other star players? He has a solid supporting cast and the net rating for the team is +4.5 with him in the game. That's more Blake Griffin than Kevin Durant.

it's fair to ask but i think this is sort of burying the lead. new orleans can't defend is their problem, they are an elite offensive team with davis in the game but defensively they have been terrible which happens to alvin gentry teams the longer he's there to corrupt them. randle and mirotic have both been bad on defense as is moore and darius miller and solomon hill.

i'd put him much closer to KD than to blake.

[slick_watts]

Is it fair to ask how good Davis actually is impact wise? The answer is obviously very, but is it in line with other star players? He has a solid supporting cast and the net rating for the team is +4.5 with him in the game. That's more Blake Griffin than Kevin Durant.

The old Kevin Love effect.

Its definitely a fair question. Those numbers he puts up just maybe emptier than pepple realise

his last year in minnesota were ok with love but fell off a cliff without him. holding love (or, davis) accountable for bad teammates or things that happen with him out of the game is weird.

[SecondTake]

Is it fair to ask how good Davis actually is impact wise? The answer is obviously very, but is it in line with other star players? He has a solid supporting cast and the net rating for the team is +4.5 with him in the game. That's more Blake Griffin than Kevin Durant.

The old Kevin Love effect.

Its definitely a fair question. Those numbers he puts up just maybe emptier than pepple realise

his last year in minnesota were ok with love but fell off a cliff without him. holding love (or, davis) accountable for bad teammates or things that happen with him out of the game is weird.

Davis had/has some great talent around him. We're in the third seed and everyone here is proposing trades to peel away some of that talent around him. AD puts up great numbers but lacks the leadership skills to really make the organization as a whole perform better in a meaningful way.

[RalphSampsonJr]

Is it fair to ask how good Davis actually is impact wise? The answer is obviously very, but is it in line with other star players? He has a solid supporting cast and the net rating for the team is +4.5 with him in the game. That's more Blake Griffin than Kevin Durant.

The old Kevin Love effect.

Its definitely a fair question. Those numbers he puts up just maybe emptier than pepple realise

his last year in minnesota were ok with love but fell off a cliff without him. holding love (or, davis) accountable for bad teammates or things that happen with him out of the game is weird.

Just saying some numbers mean more than others. Dudes averaging 30 and 13 or whatever with a PER of 30+ yet the team is only a +4.5 with him on the court.

[slick_watts]

The old Kevin Love effect.

Its definitely a fair question. Those numbers he puts up just maybe emptier than pepple realise

his last year in minnesota were ok with love but fell off a cliff without him. holding love (or, davis) accountable for bad teammates or things that happen with him out of the game is weird.

Just saying some numbers mean more than others. Dudes averaging 30 and 13 or whatever with a PER of 30+ yet the team is only a +4.5 with him on the court.

er, yeah, the pelicans suck. they can't defend. that's not AD's fault.

[Osirus89]

I guess the question I have is, is it possible to beat the warriors without adding another superstar. Even if we add some really nice role players for relatively cheap, how close does that get us? This is especially true as long as Russ keeps bricking jumpers.

If you want to take solace in something, this is the last year that GS will be in this form. Cousin and Durant will both be gone after this season. As long as the Lakers don't build a super team in their place, the bar for success to survive the West will be lowered a bit. If this team is able to figure out what to do at the backup center spot if Noel leaves, find a bench shooter, and pray Andre comes back and can be somewhat effective, the team won't really drop off much.

Getting a bench guy that will can be kept around on a modest contract should be the focus for Presti and the FO. They just need someone to occupy the Diallo and Abrines minutes for the rest of this season and going forward.

[Dadouv47]

So what kind of package could be enough for the Pelicans to send us Mirotic? He will not be THAT cheap in my opinion (I imagine many teams are trying to get him, like the Rockets for example)

[Dn4sty]

I guess the question I have is, is it possible to beat the warriors without adding another superstar. Even if we add some really nice role players for relatively cheap, how close does that get us? This is especially true as long as Russ keeps bricking jumpers.

If you want to take solace in something, this is the last year that GS will be in this form. Cousin and Durant will both be gone after this season. As long as the Lakers don't build a super team in their place, the bar for success to survive the West will be lowered a bit. If this team is able to figure out what to do at the backup center spot if Noel leaves, find a bench shooter, and pray Andre comes back and can be somewhat effective, the team won't really drop off much.

Getting a bench guy that will can be kept around on a modest contract should be the focus for Presti and the FO. They just need someone to occupy the Diallo and Abrines minutes for the rest of this season and going forward.

Cousins yes...KD not sure