OKC Thunder Offseason 2017: The Reshapening

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Post#1861 » by Old Man Game » Sun Jul 2, 2017 1:45 am

spearsy23 wrote:Ugh. Gay would be the worst possible answer. There's no way of knowing what you'll get out of him even if you do like his game, which I don't.


I've never liked his game. The fact that every team he leaves seem to get better doesn't help the overall assessment either.
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Post#1862 » by Ontario » Sun Jul 2, 2017 2:24 am

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spearsy23 wrote:Ugh. Gay would be the worst possible answer. There's no way of knowing what you'll get out of him even if you do like his game, which I don't.


I've never liked his game. The fact that every team he leaves seem to get better doesn't help the overall assessment either.


He'll be better as a third option then in ever was being task as being the face of the franchise. His stint in Toronto a least looked a lot like Russell last year when trying to get up a shot against a double team was a preferable option to finding an open man.
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Post#1863 » by ThunderBolt » Sun Jul 2, 2017 3:02 am

How would we even sign him? Obviously Taj doesn't come back. Does Enes move? Seems odd to move the guy who made cryptic tweets.
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Post#1864 » by slick_watts » Sun Jul 2, 2017 3:27 am

Knrstz wrote:How would we even sign him? Obviously Taj doesn't come back. Does Enes move? Seems odd to move the guy who made cryptic tweets.


only two ways. 1) he accepts full mle. in this case we'd have to either let roberson and gibson go (to stay sufficiently under the apron), or kanter. 2) some kind of sign and trade using kanter. in this scenario we MIGHT be able to keep both roberson and taj depending on how much rudy gay got.

there's other moving parts that could affect this (stretching singler, for example) but those are basically the only two ways.
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Post#1865 » by Kizz Fastfists » Sun Jul 2, 2017 3:33 am

I think if they get Gay it is in a S&T. Sacramento might think Kanter is the Steph Curry of big men. They think Hield is the next Steph Curry so I'm not putting any stupidity past their player evaluations. It could also be something more along the lines of Singler and McDermott for Gay. I could see Sacramento thinking McDermott fits as a shooter. If OKC dumps Kanter on Sacramento while getting Gay on an appropriate contract they should free up enough to resign Roberson and Taj.

I think their ideal play right now is to return four starters from last year with George replacing Dipo. Then Gay is the 6th man. They would still need a backup PG. Maybe Ty Lawson on the bi-yearly? Sergio Rodriguez should be a cheap, but solid, option.
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Post#1866 » by ThunderBolt » Sun Jul 2, 2017 3:43 am

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Knrstz wrote:How would we even sign him? Obviously Taj doesn't come back. Does Enes move? Seems odd to move the guy who made cryptic tweets.


only two ways. 1) he accepts full mle. in this case we'd have to either let roberson and gibson go (to stay sufficiently under the apron), or kanter. 2) some kind of sign and trade using kanter. in this scenario we MIGHT be able to keep both roberson and taj depending on how much rudy gay got.

there's other moving parts that could affect this (stretching singler, for example) but those are basically the only two ways.


Option 2 is much better than one. Adding gay at the expense of Taj and Dre doesn't seem worth it.
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Post#1867 » by NaturalThunder » Sun Jul 2, 2017 4:01 am

I agree with Knrstz. Adding Gay at the cost of losing Robes and Taj is not worth it. Not even a little bit. That makes us worse than currently constructed in my opinion.
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Post#1868 » by spearsy23 » Sun Jul 2, 2017 4:12 am

Read on Twitter

Guess after gay it gets worse.
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Post#1869 » by slick_watts » Sun Jul 2, 2017 4:15 am

spearsy23 wrote:
Read on Twitter

Guess after gay it gets worse.


i'd much prefer swaggy over gay. swaggy isn't coming off an achilles.
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Post#1870 » by spearsy23 » Sun Jul 2, 2017 4:23 am

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spearsy23 wrote:
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Guess after gay it gets worse.


i'd much prefer swaggy over gay. swaggy isn't coming off an achilles.

Yeah, but he's still swaggy. I wouldn't bet on a repeat of last year, not a lot of guys kit suddenly get it at 31.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#1871 » by Kizz Fastfists » Sun Jul 2, 2017 4:24 am

slick_watts wrote:i'd much prefer swaggy over gay. swaggy isn't coming off an achilles.


While I agree I think you are looking at it wrong. Swaggy is a SG only. Gay is a 3/4. I think Abrines might be on the way out, with Kanter, for Gay. If you pull Gay out of it you know that Abrines to dump Kanter is fair. So you are getting a rotation 3/4 in the deal and freeing up space to keep Roberson and Taj while Swaggy replaces Abrines. Another possibility is Swaggy replaces Roberson.

Can OKC really dump their crap on Sacramento in a S&T? How about Kanter, Singler, McDermott and Abrines for Gay? Dump the 3 worst contracts with Abrines. Would Sacramento take on that much bad contract for Abrines?
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Post#1872 » by spearsy23 » Sun Jul 2, 2017 4:33 am

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slick_watts wrote:i'd much prefer swaggy over gay. swaggy isn't coming off an achilles.


While I agree I think you are looking at it wrong. Swaggy is a SG only. Gay is a 3/4. I think Abrines might be on the way out, with Kanter, for Gay. If you pull Gay out of it you know that Abrines to dump Kanter is fair. So you are getting a rotation 3/4 in the deal and freeing up space to keep Roberson and Taj while Swaggy replaces Abrines. Another possibility is Swaggy replaces Roberson.

Can OKC really dump their crap on Sacramento in a S&T? How about Kanter, Singler, McDermott and Abrines for Gay? Dump the 3 worst contracts with Abrines. Would Sacramento take on that much bad contract for Abrines?

Lol you're definitely putting the cart before the horse here. Most likely we're just looking at anyone who can shoot. And gay isn't getting 20 million coming off an Achilles injury.
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Post#1873 » by bondom34 » Sun Jul 2, 2017 4:43 am

Think I'm w/ Justin here. I'd take Swaggy myself, I don't want PG at the 4 and Gay isn't a guy I want there either.
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Post#1874 » by slick_watts » Sun Jul 2, 2017 4:49 am

i don't think our rotation players (i.e. grant, mcdermott, singler, kanter, christon at the moment) are at the level where we can afford to turn down an upgrade because of minor fit concerns. swaggy is way better than mcdermott, singler, christon. he'd be an upgrade. maybe you have to play him and abrines together which could be a disaster on defense but hey it's still an upgrade and what else are we getting this summer?

if i thought gay was going to come back at 80%+ after his achilles i'd feel ok about him actually. but achilles is the toughest injury to come back from and gay is 30.
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Post#1875 » by spearsy23 » Sun Jul 2, 2017 5:11 am

bondom34 wrote:Think I'm w/ Justin here. I'd take Swaggy myself, I don't want PG at the 4 and Gay isn't a guy I want there either.

Assuming Gay is healthy, why would you not want him at the 4? That's where he's been effective and best fits our roster.
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Post#1876 » by spearsy23 » Sun Jul 2, 2017 5:14 am

slick_watts wrote:i don't think our rotation players (i.e. grant, mcdermott, singler, kanter, christon at the moment) are at the level where we can afford to turn down an upgrade because of minor fit concerns. swaggy is way better than mcdermott, singler, christon. he'd be an upgrade. maybe you have to play him and abrines together which could be a disaster on defense but hey it's still an upgrade and what else are we getting this summer?

if i thought gay was going to come back at 80%+ after his achilles i'd feel ok about him actually. but achilles is the toughest injury to come back from and gay is 30.

Last year's swaggy is better than Mcdermott, previous two years are worse than. Do you trust swaggy to maintain last year's play while not playing for a contract?
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Post#1877 » by slick_watts » Sun Jul 2, 2017 5:15 am

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bondom34 wrote:Think I'm w/ Justin here. I'd take Swaggy myself, I don't want PG at the 4 and Gay isn't a guy I want there either.

Assuming Gay is healthy, why would you not want him at the 4? That's where he's been effective and best fits our roster.


agree. if we did acquire gay, he'd be best at pf. it's where his game has been heading.
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Post#1878 » by bondom34 » Sun Jul 2, 2017 5:18 am

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bondom34 wrote:Think I'm w/ Justin here. I'd take Swaggy myself, I don't want PG at the 4 and Gay isn't a guy I want there either.

Assuming Gay is healthy, why would you not want him at the 4? That's where he's been effective and best fits our roster.

Then, OK, but honestly I think I'd kinda rather Taj.

But then this too:

https://www.blazersedge.com/2015/3/6/8164051/wesley-matthews-torn-achilles-tendon-portland-trail-blazers
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Post#1879 » by Kizz Fastfists » Sun Jul 2, 2017 5:28 am

spearsy23 wrote:Lol you're definitely putting the cart before the horse here. Most likely we're just looking at anyone who can shoot. And gay isn't getting 20 million coming off an Achilles injury.


Unless Sacramento has spent some serious money that I've missed they have around $65M in cap space. Using that space to take in some bad contracts with picks and prospects wouldn't be a bad move for them. I don't see anyone signing with them. Philly had to give Redick $23M to get him to come out there for a year!
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Post#1880 » by spearsy23 » Sun Jul 2, 2017 5:37 am

Any Patrick Patterson news? He's really the perfect fit for our pf position.
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