2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion

[spearsy23]

So you stick Abrines on the bench? Abrines is younger and better than Powell. Why wouldn't you start Abrines for Dipo to be the 6th man?

Powell had a better season than Alex by every measure, and they're functionally the same age. Until Alex learns to defend and fight through contact (and puts on 20 pounds) he's going to struggle to make a positive all around impact. You can't teach the stroke he has though, so it's worth being patient.

Powell helps set up the OKC rotations way better. It allows Dipo to come off bench as 6th man. and even allows OKC to play a 3 guard lineup with Powell taking the SF defensively (he has a 6-11 wingspan).

OKC would still need to find a backup PG (maybe a Kanter for Clarkson or Knight swap), and hopefully a bargain bin/scrap heap center (Nene type).

Powell would help this team immensely

That's a pretty hard oversell. Powell was marginally better than Alex and is still too small to guard small forwards. Bringing him in and sitting abrines isn't worth the cost.

[ThunderBolt]

If Powell can be obtained with the 21st pick and bulls 2018 second round pick, then you can move Abrines in a package that gets us a small forward.

I kept up with Powell's box scores, but I don't really know how good he is. It seemed like Toronto didn't get him consistent opportunities. I've seen a lot of raptors fans say Powell only gets moved in a trade for a star. I think that value seems a little high.

[spearsy23]

If Powell can be obtained with the 21st pick and bulls 2018 second round pick, then you can move Abrines in a package that gets us a small forward.

I kept up with Powell's box scores, but I don't really know how good he is. It seemed like Toronto didn't get him consistent opportunities. I've seen a lot of raptors fans say Powell only gets moved in a trade for a star. I think that value seems a little high.

Why not just cut out the middle man and trade 21/2nd for a sf?

[Pillendreher]

Some guys on DT have theorized if we could get Russell if we take on either Mozgovs or Dengs contract.

I don't think that's possible, but you never know with the Lakers.

[OkcMagic]

Some guys on DT have theorized if we could get Russell if we take on either Mozgovs or Dengs contract.

I don't think that's possible, but you never know with the Lakers.

Kanter?


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[Andre Roberstan]

Some guys on DT have theorized if we could get Russell if we take on either Mozgovs or Dengs contract.

I don't think that's possible, but you never know with the Lakers.

I workshopped it a bit on my salary sheet, and even dumping Kanter for nothing that team's really expensive still and not appreciably better than what we have now. And the timing's not staggered very well on when guys get paid.

[Balkman32]

Some guys on DT have theorized if we could get Russell if we take on either Mozgovs or Dengs contract.

I don't think that's possible, but you never know with the Lakers.

But then you have that contract on you books $48 million over the next 3 years is a lot of money for a guy who wont do any good.

[Balkman32]

Some guys on DT have theorized if we could get Russell if we take on either Mozgovs or Dengs contract.

I don't think that's possible, but you never know with the Lakers.

I workshopped it a bit on my salary sheet, and even dumping Kanter for nothing that team's really expensive still and not appreciably better than what we have now. And the timing's not staggered very well on when guys get paid.

I am sure they would take on Singler's contract.

[Andre Roberstan]

Some guys on DT have theorized if we could get Russell if we take on either Mozgovs or Dengs contract.

I don't think that's possible, but you never know with the Lakers.

I workshopped it a bit on my salary sheet, and even dumping Kanter for nothing that team's really expensive still and not appreciably better than what we have now. And the timing's not staggered very well on when guys get paid.

I am sure they would take on Singler's contract.

I dumped Singler, Kanter and Oladipo and the money's still quite high.

It's the Lakers/Kings dump sheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P7fjUIXc6-Tf2jxLdk6oht_fjaYQ0APgL5afC42fztg/edit?usp=sharing

I did have us taking back Brewer to open up 2018 cap space, but it's still not great.

[Andre Roberstan]

Some under-the-radar names that could be useful for us, just based on REB% and 3PT%:

Pat Connaughton
Darrell Arthur
Mike Muscala
Juancho Hernangomez
Jonas Jerebko
Marvin Williams
Meyers Leonard

Darrell Arthur would be terrific on this team. So would Marvin Williams. Connaughton might not take much to get.

[Balkman32]

Some under-the-radar names that could be useful for us, just based on REB% and 3PT%:

Pat Connaughton
Darrell Arthur
Mike Muscala
Juancho Hernangomez
Jonas Jerebko
Marvin Williams
Meyers Leonard

Darrell Arthur would be terrific on this team. So would Marvin Williams. Connaughton might not take much to get.

Do any of these guys make us that much better of a team?

[Andre Roberstan]

Some under-the-radar names that could be useful for us, just based on REB% and 3PT%:

Pat Connaughton
Darrell Arthur
Mike Muscala
Juancho Hernangomez
Jonas Jerebko
Marvin Williams
Meyers Leonard

Darrell Arthur would be terrific on this team. So would Marvin Williams. Connaughton might not take much to get.

Do any of these guys make us that much better of a team?

Williams for sure, probably Arthur too.

Hernangomez would be the best combo of skill, age and contract, but he's not getting moved.

[ThunderBolt]

If Powell can be obtained with the 21st pick and bulls 2018 second round pick, then you can move Abrines in a package that gets us a small forward.

I kept up with Powell's box scores, but I don't really know how good he is. It seemed like Toronto didn't get him consistent opportunities. I've seen a lot of raptors fans say Powell only gets moved in a trade for a star. I think that value seems a little high.

Why not just cut out the middle man and trade 21/2nd for a sf?

Who?

[Pillendreher]

Some guys on DT have theorized if we could get Russell if we take on either Mozgovs or Dengs contract.

I don't think that's possible, but you never know with the Lakers.

But then you have that contract on you books $48 million over the next 3 years is a lot of money for a guy who wont do any good.

If anything, I would ask for Deng.

Some guys on DT have theorized if we could get Russell if we take on either Mozgovs or Dengs contract.

I don't think that's possible, but you never know with the Lakers.

I workshopped it a bit on my salary sheet, and even dumping Kanter for nothing that team's really expensive still and not appreciably better than what we have now. And the timing's not staggered very well on when guys get paid.

But does that sound realistic? Are they that desperate for stars? They would give up arguably their best player just to clear capspace...

[Andre Roberstan]

Some guys on DT have theorized if we could get Russell if we take on either Mozgovs or Dengs contract.

I don't think that's possible, but you never know with the Lakers.

But then you have that contract on you books $48 million over the next 3 years is a lot of money for a guy who wont do any good.

If anything, I would ask for Deng.

Some guys on DT have theorized if we could get Russell if we take on either Mozgovs or Dengs contract.

I don't think that's possible, but you never know with the Lakers.

I workshopped it a bit on my salary sheet, and even dumping Kanter for nothing that team's really expensive still and not appreciably better than what we have now. And the timing's not staggered very well on when guys get paid.

But does that sound realistic? Are they that desperate for stars? They would give up arguably their best player just to clear capspace...

They're probably not trading with us, cause we can't give them appreciable salary relief.

[spearsy23]

If Powell can be obtained with the 21st pick and bulls 2018 second round pick, then you can move Abrines in a package that gets us a small forward.

I kept up with Powell's box scores, but I don't really know how good he is. It seemed like Toronto didn't get him consistent opportunities. I've seen a lot of raptors fans say Powell only gets moved in a trade for a star. I think that value seems a little high.

Why not just cut out the middle man and trade 21/2nd for a sf?

Who?

I mean, you have to ask the same question about trading abrines. But Dudley, Ross, and Snell all come to mind as guys that are just as good as Powell and don't sacrifice the best shooter on the team.

[ThunderBolt]

Why not just cut out the middle man and trade 21/2nd for a sf?

Who?

I mean, you have to ask the same question about trading abrines. But Dudley, Ross, and Snell all come to mind as guys that are just as good as Powell and don't sacrifice the best shooter on the team.

Just my own opinion but I like Powell better than those guys.

[spearsy23]

Who?

I mean, you have to ask the same question about trading abrines. But Dudley, Ross, and Snell all come to mind as guys that are just as good as Powell and don't sacrifice the best shooter on the team.

Just my own opinion but I like Powell better than those guys.

That's fine but they're all just as good as him and fit the position we actually need help at. Powell was a little better than Alex in Alex's rookie year and is a worse shooter so why would you want to make that swap? Plus, who are you trading Alex for?

[ThunderBolt]

I mean, you have to ask the same question about trading abrines. But Dudley, Ross, and Snell all come to mind as guys that are just as good as Powell and don't sacrifice the best shooter on the team.

Just my own opinion but I like Powell better than those guys.

That's fine but they're all just as good as him and fit the position we actually need help at. Powell was a little better than Alex in Alex's rookie year and is a worse shooter so why would you want to make that swap? Plus, who are you trading Alex for?

There is no way to trade single players and upgrade our roster. Abrines alone wouldn't get us a good sf. He would have to be paired with a second player. Powell is a better defender than Alex. If you get Powell then maybe you can move Oladipo for a sf instead of Alex. Oladipo for Barnes? I've seen Dallas fans that were open to the idea. It's that Cuban guy who has a problem with trading with us.

[Kizz Fastfists]

There is no way to trade single players and upgrade our roster. Abrines alone wouldn't get us a good sf. He would have to be paired with a second player.

This is the problem. If you accept this truth then you must also accept that OKC can not improve the roster. That means you are accepting that OKC is capped out as a fringe playoff team. Very few fans can accept that reality. That is why most places you look you read Thunder fans talking about the greatness of Jerami Grant and his upside and how McDermott is going to be awesome and Kanter is a great center and that this team of young low ceiling players is going to emerge into greatness. I remember when Singler was a young player and how that worked out. Perry Jones and Jeremy Lamb were once young also and that worked great. Just 18 months ago it was Mitch McGary who was somehow going to turn into Blake Griffin. Semaj was supposed to be the second coming of Reggie Jackson.

I'm so glad all those young players worked out and OKC won a lot of playoff games with them as starters and key contributors.