2018-2019 OKC Thunder Regular Season Pt 1: A Renewed Hope

[Pillendreher]

Since the 0-4 start, we have the best NetRtG in the league at +8.9 NetRtG during 27 games. At 109.7 ORtG and 100.8 DRtG, they've been at +1.3 ORtG and -7.6 DRtG relative to league average. If you account for the teams they played during that stretch and look at their season average strength, they've been -0.3 offensively compared to their opponents' regular season DRtG and -7.0 defensively compared to their opponents' regular season ORtG, so +6.7 NetRtG adjusted for opponents' strength (seems like a big difference to me, so correct me if I'm wrong)*.

If Westbrook could just find it in himself to score somewhat efficiently. Hell, just him dragging the bench lineup to something respectable offensively after the comes back in in the 2nd and 4th quarter would make such a big difference.

EDIT:

*Looks like my calculations are correct. If you compare the NetRtG to the average NetRtG of our opponents during that stretch, you get a -2.2 for the opponents, which means we're outperforming that by 6.7 points per 100 possessions. Alas, that's still a 58 win season point differential.

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[slick_watts]

the schroder-abrines-diallo-patterson-noel lineup is now -17.4pp100 in 72 minutes. it will probably surpass abrines starters as the fourth most used lineup tonight.

for reference, felton-abrines-huestis-grant-patterson was +7.7pp100 in 103 minutes last year. it was our most used all bench lineup. usually we had george flexing in, though, and that lineup of felton-abrines-george-grant-patterson was -18.5pp100 in 130 minutes.

very disappointing.

[getrichordie]

the schroder-abrines-diallo-patterson-noel lineup is now -17.4pp100 in 72 minutes. it will probably surpass abrines starters as the fourth most used lineup tonight.

for reference, felton-abrines-huestis-grant-patterson was +7.7pp100 in 103 minutes last year. it was our most used all bench lineup. usually we had george flexing in, though, and that lineup of felton-abrines-george-grant-patterson was -18.5pp100 in 130 minutes.

very disappointing.

I still have a hard time understanding why we let go of Huestis. I’d rather have him over TLC and Nader. He wasn’t a factor offensively, but he could defend at a nice level and was a big body. Now we have Diallo who is more athletic than Huestis, but just doesn’t have the size for a 3.

This just goes to show you how weak our wing rotation is.

[Pillendreher]

the schroder-abrines-diallo-patterson-noel lineup is now -17.4pp100 in 72 minutes. it will probably surpass abrines starters as the fourth most used lineup tonight.

for reference, felton-abrines-huestis-grant-patterson was +7.7pp100 in 103 minutes last year. it was our most used all bench lineup. usually we had george flexing in, though, and that lineup of felton-abrines-george-grant-patterson was -18.5pp100 in 130 minutes.

very disappointing.

This surprised me: The lineup you've referenced has been horrible defensively. Per pbpstats.com, it allows 117.6 points per 100 possessions in 72 minutes. And I think I've found the main culprit: If you remove Diallo from the Schröder-Noel lineup, you get a 96.6 DRtG in 147 minutes; in his 117 minutes wiht those two guys on the court, the DRtG has been 118.5, which makes fora 22pp100p turnround. Incidentally, Diallo now features the worst On/Off NetRtG on the whole team at +7.2. We're at our worst defensively by far with him on the floor as well.

The offense is still the main culprit for the bench struggles, but they could at least break even with the 103 ORtG of Schröder-Noel in ~250 minutes if they could maintain their defensive level.

[getrichordie]

the schroder-abrines-diallo-patterson-noel lineup is now -17.4pp100 in 72 minutes. it will probably surpass abrines starters as the fourth most used lineup tonight.

for reference, felton-abrines-huestis-grant-patterson was +7.7pp100 in 103 minutes last year. it was our most used all bench lineup. usually we had george flexing in, though, and that lineup of felton-abrines-george-grant-patterson was -18.5pp100 in 130 minutes.

very disappointing.

This surprised me: The lineup you've referenced has been horrible defensively. Per pbpstats.com, it allows 117.6 points per 100 possessions in 72 minutes. And I think I've found the main culprit: If you remove Diallo from the Schröder-Noel lineup, you get a 96.6 DRtG in 147 minutes; in his 117 minutes wiht those two guys on the court, the DRtG has been 118.5, which makes fora 22pp100p turnround. Incidentally, Diallo now features the worst On/Off NetRtG on the whole team at +7.2. We're at our worst defensively by far with him on the floor as well.

The offense is still the main culprit for the bench struggles, but they could at least break even with the 103 ORtG of Schröder-Noel in ~250 minutes if they could maintain their defensive level.

Diallo doesn’t need to be playing the 3. He’s too small. This is the result of not having a true back up 3.



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[ThunderBolt]

the schroder-abrines-diallo-patterson-noel lineup is now -17.4pp100 in 72 minutes. it will probably surpass abrines starters as the fourth most used lineup tonight.

for reference, felton-abrines-huestis-grant-patterson was +7.7pp100 in 103 minutes last year. it was our most used all bench lineup. usually we had george flexing in, though, and that lineup of felton-abrines-george-grant-patterson was -18.5pp100 in 130 minutes.

very disappointing.

This surprised me: The lineup you've referenced has been horrible defensively. Per pbpstats.com, it allows 117.6 points per 100 possessions in 72 minutes. And I think I've found the main culprit: If you remove Diallo from the Schröder-Noel lineup, you get a 96.6 DRtG in 147 minutes; in his 117 minutes wiht those two guys on the court, the DRtG has been 118.5, which makes fora 22pp100p turnround. Incidentally, Diallo now features the worst On/Off NetRtG on the whole team at +7.2. We're at our worst defensively by far with him on the floor as well.

The offense is still the main culprit for the bench struggles, but they could at least break even with the 103 ORtG of Schröder-Noel in ~250 minutes if they could maintain their defensive level.

Diallo doesn’t need to be playing the 3. He’s too small. This is the result of not having a true back up 3.



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And yet you said TJ warren would some how be “redundant”.

[getrichordie]

This surprised me: The lineup you've referenced has been horrible defensively. Per pbpstats.com, it allows 117.6 points per 100 possessions in 72 minutes. And I think I've found the main culprit: If you remove Diallo from the Schröder-Noel lineup, you get a 96.6 DRtG in 147 minutes; in his 117 minutes wiht those two guys on the court, the DRtG has been 118.5, which makes fora 22pp100p turnround. Incidentally, Diallo now features the worst On/Off NetRtG on the whole team at +7.2. We're at our worst defensively by far with him on the floor as well.

The offense is still the main culprit for the bench struggles, but they could at least break even with the 103 ORtG of Schröder-Noel in ~250 minutes if they could maintain their defensive level.

Diallo doesn’t need to be playing the 3. He’s too small. This is the result of not having a true back up 3.



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And yet you said TJ warren would some how be “redundant”.

I say that because George and Schroder is capable of running the 2U as we’ve seen and I think that Warren is redundant in that regard. I don’t think Warren fits on our 2U unless you want him to take George’s minutes on 2U. Just not a lot of minutes going to Warren here which I think is a recipe for disaster in terms of keeping Warren happy while he’s under contract.


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[Pillendreher]

I say that because George and Schroder is capable of running the 2U as we’ve seen

We have not seen that. George is not running the 2nd unit and Schröder has shown himself incapable of running the bench as a team that scores at an acceptable rate.

[getrichordie]

I say that because George and Schroder is capable of running the 2U as we’ve seen

We have not seen that. George is not running the 2nd unit and Schröder has shown himself incapable of running the bench as a team that scores at an acceptable rate.

It certainly seems like George has been inserted in the 2U more and more as of recent. Am I dreaming that?

And I’m curious. What the league average NetRtg for bench units and how does ours fair?

How is Schroder-X-George-Patterson-Noel looking as of recent? I’ll have to check into that.


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[slick_watts]

diallo's been pretty bad on defense just from what i've observed. i dunno. i might think about giving tlc some minutes and see what happens.

[Pillendreher]

It certainly seems like George has been inserted in the 2U more and more as of recent. Am I dreaming that?

I can't speak to your dreams, but I can give you the stats on the Schröder-George without Westbrook lineup over the last 3 weeks: Per pbpstats.com, George's been using up 44.3 % of that lineups possessions and he's rewarded himself with a 64.6 TS% on those possessions. But we're talking about a total of 44 minutes and a total of 32 shots for George.

So maybe you're right. I'll have to keep an eye on it.

And I’m curious. What the league average NetRtg for bench units and how does ours fair?

I don't have the data for bench lineups only, but I can give you the data compared to the league as a whole: Per cleaningtheglass, the Schröder-Noel lineup's ORtG is in the 5th percentile. That's beyond horrible.

How is Schroder-X-George-Patterson-Noel looking as of recent? I’ll have to check into that.

You won't find enough minutes for that since Donovan barely plays it: 36 minutes on the season. If you just look at Schröder-George with Westbrook on the bench (basically the lineup to end the 1st and 3rd quarter) since Westbrook came back from injury, you get a 98.0 ORtG and a 92.2 DRtG in 68 minutes. Defense is excellent, offense atrocious.

[getrichordie]

It certainly seems like George has been inserted in the 2U more and more as of recent. Am I dreaming that?

I can't speak to your dreams, but I can give you the stats on the Schröder-George without Westbrook lineup over the last 3 weeks: Per pbpstats.com, George's been using up 44.3 % of that lineups possessions and he's rewarded himself with a 64.6 TS% on those possessions. But we're talking about a total of 44 minutes and a total of 32 shots for George.

So maybe you're right. I'll have to keep an eye on it.

And I’m curious. What the league average NetRtg for bench units and how does ours fair?

I don't have the data for bench lineups only, but I can give you the data compared to the league as a whole: Per cleaningtheglass, the Schröder-Noel lineup's ORtG is in the 5th percentile. That's beyond horrible.

How is Schroder-X-George-Patterson-Noel looking as of recent? I’ll have to check into that.

You won't find enough minutes for that since Donovan barely plays it: 36 minutes on the season. If you just look at Schröder-George with Westbrook on the bench (basically the lineup to end the 1st and 3rd quarter) since Westbrook came back from injury, you get a 98.0 ORtG and a 92.2 DRtG in 68 minutes. Defense is excellent, offense atrocious.

I’ll have to look at who that lineup is playing the most minutes with, but it seems that all things considered that a + 5.8 NetRtg isn’t that bad. And honestly NetRtg is what it’s all about.


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Absolute class act. I’m rooting for Roberson to come back strong.


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merry christmas everyone. i won't be around for the rockets game but hopefully we'll be able to pull it out.

[Dn4sty]

merry christmas everyone. i won't be around for the rockets game but hopefully we'll be able to pull it out.

This is the best Christmas gift I’ve gotten in years