OKC Thunder Offseason 2017: The Reshapening

[Old Man Game]

The thing about signing a player like Rudy Gay as a way to entice Russell Westbrook to stay long term is, obviously if Westbrook tests free agency he'll likely be able to find Opportunities to play with players a lot better than Rudy Gay. So where are you really?

In the same place you are if you don't sign Rudy gay and Russ walks, the lottery.

So then one couldn't make you argument that you were signing him to appeal to Westbrook could you?

[Old Man Game]

We're going to end up having to surrender a pick to get rid of Kanter at this point.

[Pillendreher]

We're going to end up having to surrender a pick to get rid of Kanter at this point.

I'm fine with that if it's the 2018 Chicago 2nd.

[slick_watts]

We're going to end up having to surrender a pick to get rid of Kanter at this point.

maybe ferguson is unsigned for this purpose.

[Old Man Game]

We're going to end up having to surrender a pick to get rid of Kanter at this point.

maybe ferguson is unsigned for this purpose.

Seems plausible.

[Pillendreher]

We're going to end up having to surrender a pick to get rid of Kanter at this point.

maybe ferguson is unsigned for this purpose.

How would this work with the salary cap? Draft rights have to count as something, right? 120 % of the rookie scale?

[Old Man Game]

The thing about signing a player like Rudy Gay as a way to entice Russell Westbrook to stay long term is, obviously if Westbrook tests free agency he'll likely be able to find Opportunities to play with players a lot better than Rudy Gay. So where are you really?

I don't think this will be much of a problem. Presti is not gonna offer him a 4 year contract (I think).

Btw: If he pulls this off while getting rid of Kanter, we'll make out like bandits. This is something I'd approve of, even if it means getting Gay.

That's a good point, if it's a two year deal or something it could be okay. I just don't want to surrender a ton of future assets to make it happen.

[Old Man Game]

We're going to end up having to surrender a pick to get rid of Kanter at this point.

maybe ferguson is unsigned for this purpose.

How would this work with the salary cap? Draft rights have to count as something, right? 120 % of the rookie scale?

I don't think unsigned rookies count against your cap. I don't think there's even a cap hold for them, otherwise guys who are draft and stash deals would count against the cap, and they don't.

[spearsy23]

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The thing about signing a player like Rudy Gay as a way to entice Russell Westbrook to stay long term is, obviously if Westbrook tests free agency he'll likely be able to find Opportunities to play with players a lot better than Rudy Gay. So where are you really?

In the same place you are if you don't sign Rudy gay and Russ walks, the lottery.

So then one couldn't make you argument that you were signing him to appeal to Westbrook could you?

That doesn't follow at all. We don't have the opportunity to bring in these players better than Rudy gay so we give Russ the most attractive roster we can regardless of what other teams can offer.

[spearsy23]

maybe ferguson is unsigned for this purpose.

How would this work with the salary cap? Draft rights have to count as something, right? 120 % of the rookie scale?

I don't think unsigned rookies count against your cap. I don't think there's even a cap hold for them, otherwise guys who are draft and stash deals would count against the cap, and they don't.

First rounders have a cap hold of 120%, second roundners have no cap hold, draft and stash players have to declare their intent to stay overseas to the NBA.

[Old Man Game]

How would this work with the salary cap? Draft rights have to count as something, right? 120 % of the rookie scale?

I don't think unsigned rookies count against your cap. I don't think there's even a cap hold for them, otherwise guys who are draft and stash deals would count against the cap, and they don't.

First rounders have a cap hold of 120%, second roundners have no cap hold, draft and stash players have to declare their intent to stay overseas to the NBA.

I stand corrected.

[getrichordie]

We're going to end up having to surrender a pick to get rid of Kanter at this point.

I'm fine with that if it's the 2018 Chicago 2nd.

Me too. I'd sweeten the deal if needed and do a 2nd round pick swap.

We're going to end up having to surrender a pick to get rid of Kanter at this point.

maybe ferguson is unsigned for this purpose.

I would ship Ferguson in a heartbeat if it means getting Gay and dumping Kanter. And honestly, is give Gay a 3 year deal somewhere in the neighborhood of 45/3. No options.


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[getrichordie]

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In the same place you are if you don't sign Rudy gay and Russ walks, the lottery.

So then one couldn't make you argument that you were signing him to appeal to Westbrook could you?

That doesn't follow at all. We don't have the opportunity to bring in these players better than Rudy gay so we give Russ the most attractive roster we can regardless of what other teams can offer.

Agreed. We do the best we can. You don't sit on your hands and just say let's not do anything to try and improve the roster because it might not be enough... You at least try.


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[slick_watts]

I don't think unsigned rookies count against your cap. I don't think there's even a cap hold for them, otherwise guys who are draft and stash deals would count against the cap, and they don't.

First rounders have a cap hold of 120%, second roundners have no cap hold, draft and stash players have to declare their intent to stay overseas to the NBA.

I stand corrected.

unsigned picks do have a cap hold associated with them however their trade value is $0.

[Pillendreher]

****.

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[InTheSabonus]

I'm really, really gonna miss Taj. But Donovan **** around with his minutes all (half) season. He's gonna be super valuable to Minnesota, happy for him.

[Old Man Game]

First rounders have a cap hold of 120%, second roundners have no cap hold, draft and stash players have to declare their intent to stay overseas to the NBA.

I stand corrected.

unsigned picks do have a cap hold associated with them however their trade value is $0.

So there's no sweating the balancing in the trade machine then? And thereby facilitating a trade including an unsigned draft pick is theoretically easier?

[slick_watts]

I stand corrected.

unsigned picks do have a cap hold associated with them however their trade value is $0.

So there's no sweating the balancing in the trade machine then? And thereby facilitating a trade including an unsigned draft pick is theoretically easier?

it can be difficult for players picked high in the draft because they have larger cap holds that complicate trades. when steve francis was traded by the grizzlies to houston it was a nightmare. but in ferguson's case it wouldn't present an issue.

[Old Man Game]

****.

Read on Twitter

It's so funny because the system that catches curse words doesn't work in the Real Gm App on Android. So I first saw this on my phone and saw it said "f#ck" and now I run over to the computer to look at it and see just the tweet posted and "****"

Thibs getting the band back together. He's going to get a rep like Doc for this sentimentality if he's not careful.

[Old Man Game]

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In the same place you are if you don't sign Rudy gay and Russ walks, the lottery.

So then one couldn't make you argument that you were signing him to appeal to Westbrook could you?

That doesn't follow at all. We don't have the opportunity to bring in these players better than Rudy gay so we give Russ the most attractive roster we can regardless of what other teams can offer.

Sure it does. You sign a guy to send to appease your star but your star has better options you've effectively done nothing. It was a fruitless gesture. It would be like stockpiling tanks and field artillery when your opposition has nukes. Those tanks and artillery won't mean dick when push comes to shove. Might as well have found better ways to spend that money.