2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion

[hardenASG13]

Glad to see some others on here/newer posters are coming around to and acknowledging the fact that Roberson is a joke. For him to have a legit case to play this many minutes, he'd have to be the best defender in the league, which he isn't. He stinks on offense, it's 4 on 5 out there and you ultimately can't sustain good basketball with that. He is annoying to good wing scorers, doesn't shut them down by any means. I agree that if it weren't for the thunder, he could very well be out of the league, as there isn't another comparable wing to him on the offensive end. Meanwhile, the group on here says nobody would want Kanter cause he's all offense, yet look how sad okc is without his offense. Maybe the thing they need is better screen setting! Bring back perk Haha. I was blasted on here for saying perk would be useless once traded and quickly out of the league after he left okc (where he was playing 25 min a night!) And he was.....cause he stunk. All nba centers set good screens! Similar with robes, all nba wings can shoot......besides him (and singler). Cam Payne is a bust, the team desperately needs to bring in some shooting although I don't see what assets they could trade. Prestigious has really done an awful job since nailing the kd, Westbrook, harden, ibaka picks. The composition of this roster is awful. I get that okc is not a big free agent draw but they squandered arguably to most assets in the league to this, where aside from wb adams and Kanter they really have nobody who can get a decent return.

[Osirus89]

Glad to see some others on here/newer posters are coming around to and acknowledging the fact that Roberson is a joke. For him to have a legit case to play this many minutes, he'd have to be the best defender in the league, which he isn't. He stinks on offense, it's 4 on 5 out there and you ultimately can't sustain good basketball with that. He is annoying to good wing scorers, doesn't shut them down by any means. I agree that if it weren't for the thunder, he could very well be out of the league, as there isn't another comparable wing to him on the offensive end. Meanwhile, the group on here says nobody would want Kanter cause he's all offense, yet look how sad okc is without his offense. Maybe the thing they need is better screen setting! Bring back perk Haha. I was blasted on here for saying perk would be useless once traded and quickly out of the league after he left okc (where he was playing 25 min a night!) And he was.....cause he stunk. All nba centers set good screens! Similar with robes, all nba wings can shoot......besides him (and singler). Cam Payne is a bust, the team desperately needs to bring in some shooting although I don't see what assets they could trade. Prestigious has really done an awful job since nailing the kd, Westbrook, harden, ibaka picks. The composition of this roster is awful. I get that okc is not a big free agent draw but they squandered arguably to most assets in the league to this, where aside from wb adams and Kanter they really have nobody who can get a decent return.

You won't hear any argument from me regarding Andre. It really sucks that Payne has not panned out, although I will give him until march before I feel one way or another about him. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt this month since he recently came back. Unfortunately if Payne is a bust, then the roster has two holes. Backup PG and Wing. I'm looking forward to the draft this year (not much else to look forward to this year) because there are two intriguing guys that would address the shooting woes. Terrance ferguson and Lydon. Presti talked about "waiting and seeing" how the roster plays before making decisions regarding what the team needs. Well... I think it should be clear by now. Abrines is the only dependable shooter. Domantas will be down the road. Victor is "decent". Its a dice roll after that though.

[bondom34]

Lose to Spurs: Fiur everyone!

[Andre Roberstan]

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I want Joe Ingles so bad.

[Pillendreher]

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I want Joe Ingles so bad.

He'd be trash here. I don't know why, but we seem to have a knack for turning solid players into scrubs.

[bondom34]

Exactly. So why bother.

[hardenASG13]

Lose to Spurs: Fiur everyone!

Haha nah man its been a problem for some time. Now it's just sad to watch. They win the title last year with any competent wing. They've been giving burn to guys that had no business in the league for years (proven right with perk, also right about robes he will be gone soon if Okc doesn't resign him) nobody else plays wings who can't score at all. It's a shame they were so dumb, forced 2 stars to play with no spacing after drawing doubles and couldn't make teams pay. But their d was slightly better! No its just sad to watch what they've become. Russell will probably go crazy watching all these other teams that are loaded with shooting and bounce in 2 years. Root for mediocrity all you want but it's not happening without him. Nor will they hit the jackpot on 4 draft picks again. They straight up butchered it with prestis vision of a shooting guard who can't shoot. He rectified the front court, but it's too late. Lots of parts that can't be moved for much, they are really in trouble. I'm hopeful they can draft a good shooter and that sabonis can quickly develop as he looks like he's gonna be good.

[bondom34]

Lose to Spurs: Fiur everyone!

Haha nah man its been a problem for some time. Now it's just sad to watch. They win the title last year with any competent wing. They've been giving burn to guys that had no business in the league for years (proven right with perk, also right about robes he will be gone soon if Okc doesn't resign him) nobody else plays wings who can't score at all. It's a shame they were so dumb, forced 2 stars to play with no spacing after drawing doubles and couldn't make teams pay. But their d was slightly better! No its just sad to watch what they've become. Russell will probably go crazy watching all these other teams that are loaded with shooting and bounce in 2 years. Root for mediocrity all you want but it's not happening without him. Nor will they hit the jackpot on 4 draft picks again. They straight up butchered it with prestis vision of a shooting guard who can't shoot. He rectified the front court, but it's too late. Lots of parts that can't be moved for much, they are really in trouble. I'm hopeful they can draft a good shooter and that sabonis can quickly develop as he looks like he's gonna be good.

They win the title last year with Durant not being hot trash.

Russ is fine, he seems to like everyone on this team. People need to wait more than 6 months to build around him.

[hardenASG13]

Yea he let then down, but if they had some reliable options to hit dagger 3s it woulda helped, like so many stars have been helped by in the past when they are struggling. I agree not much can be done till the off-season, and then they need to covet shooting Ala houston. No chance to compete with golden state without shooting everywhere, as no defense in stopping them

[bondom34]

Yea he let then down, but if they had some reliable options to hit dagger 3s it woulda helped, like so many stars have been helped by in the past when they are struggling. I agree not much can be done till the off-season, and then they need to covet shooting Ala houston. No chance to compete with golden state without shooting everywhere, as no defense in stopping them

He was the guy who was supposed to be hitting those dagger 3s. Nobody else was getting the ball down the stretch as long as he was on the roster. If you think he was going to be giving it up for Trevor Ariza, not sure what to say.

[Pillendreher]

Yea he let then down, but if they had some reliable options to hit dagger 3s it woulda helped, like so many stars have been helped by in the past when they are struggling. I agree not much can be done till the off-season, and then they need to covet shooting Ala houston. No chance to compete with golden state without shooting everywhere, as no defense in stopping them

He was the guy who was supposed to be hitting those dagger 3s. Nobody else was getting the ball down the stretch as long as he was on the roster. If you think he was going to be giving it up for Trevor Ariza, not sure what to say.

That's naive. The 'Besides Durant and Westbrook, the roster really doesn't matter' approach killed us last season. That's why we went with a 7.5 man rotation through the Playoffs. Additional pieces always help.

[bondom34]

Yea he let then down, but if they had some reliable options to hit dagger 3s it woulda helped, like so many stars have been helped by in the past when they are struggling. I agree not much can be done till the off-season, and then they need to covet shooting Ala houston. No chance to compete with golden state without shooting everywhere, as no defense in stopping them

He was the guy who was supposed to be hitting those dagger 3s. Nobody else was getting the ball down the stretch as long as he was on the roster. If you think he was going to be giving it up for Trevor Ariza, not sure what to say.

That's naive. The 'Besides Durant and Westbrook, the roster really doesn't matter' approach killed us last season. That's why we went with a 7.5 man rotation through the Playoffs. Additional pieces always help.

Sure, and Dion played well, Kanter and Adams were the reason they beat the Spurs.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Reggie had become that 3rd player before he had a mental breakdown about coming off the bench. Ibaka was a great role player, but wanted to be more of the offense without the ability to do so. OKC has had some solid role players. Roberson's regression this year has been a disaster after showing improvement last year. If Roberson had taken another small step forward this year to shoot 33% from 3, after shooting 31% last year, no one would be freaking out about the role players.

The roster was never supposed to be Russ, kd and scrubs. Presti has just had a problem with getting guys to put their ego aside for rings. Harden wanted his max, and he deserved it, but ownership wasn't willing to go into the tax at that point. Reggie wanted to be a starter and was causing issues in the locker room. Waiters was an attempted fix, but he isn't good enough to be the 3rd/4th scoring option on a championship team. It's not Presti's fault that two seasons were wasted with injuries to Russ and kd. Despite all the flaws the roster last year was good enough to win a championship and then Presti improved it heading into FA this year. Then the team got destroyed in FA.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Russ is fine, he seems to like everyone on this team. People need to wait more than 6 months to build around him.

The problem is how do they build around Russ? I think we all agree the current roster will never be good enough. They have no cap room. They have minimal draft picks and those will be in the 20s. You have a 3-4 year window before Russ starts to slip due to age. Where do the win now pieces come from? You can't trade guys like Oladipo and Adams and expect a rookie to be as good or better until the 3rd or 4th year in the league. They can't add a guy like Hayward in FA because they have no cap space.

I'm not saying that you can't build a championship roster around Russ. I'm saying OKC can't do it before he is out of his prime. Abrines and Sabonis are going to be nice players, but they aren't going to move the team from a 7th seed to top 2 in the West. OKC could have a shot at another solid player in this year's draft due to it's depth, but it won't be a guy that elevates the team it will be a solid role player type. Yes, it could be an upgrade to the current rotation in their 2nd season, but that really doesn't take much for a team that has Andre Roberson as their 4th best player and Kyle Singler gets regular playing time.

[bondom34]

Russ is fine, he seems to like everyone on this team. People need to wait more than 6 months to build around him.

The problem is how do they build around Russ? I think we all agree the current roster will never be good enough. They have no cap room. They have minimal draft picks and those will be in the 20s. You have a 3-4 year window before Russ starts to slip due to age. Where do the win now pieces come from? You can't trade guys like Oladipo and Adams and expect a rookie to be as good or better until the 3rd or 4th year in the league. They can't add a guy like Hayward in FA because they have no cap space.

I'm not saying that you can't build a championship roster around Russ. I'm saying OKC can't do it before he is out of his prime. Abrines and Sabonis are going to be nice players, but they aren't going to move the team from a 7th seed to top 2 in the West. OKC could have a shot at another solid player in this year's draft due to it's depth, but it won't be a guy that elevates the team it will be a solid role player type. Yes, it could be an upgrade to the current rotation in their 2nd season, but that really doesn't take much for a team that has Andre Roberson as their 4th best player and Kyle Singler gets regular playing time.

You can ask the same question around nearly every team in the NBA. It doesn't happen, until it does. I go back to Houston, and they didn't have much in the way of assets post Harden either. This roster is young, improving, and not that far off. They need a wing and backup PG.

The best strategy to win is often to just consistently be really good long enough to catch a lucky break. Be a team good enough to make a WCF and someone gets injured, boom. I don't think this roster is far from being at that point, and in honesty nobody beats GSW or the Cavs the next year or so. This year was always and will always be a bridge. We need to view it as such.

[ThunderBolt]

Russ is fine, he seems to like everyone on this team. People need to wait more than 6 months to build around him.

The problem is how do they build around Russ? I think we all agree the current roster will never be good enough. They have no cap room. They have minimal draft picks and those will be in the 20s. You have a 3-4 year window before Russ starts to slip due to age. Where do the win now pieces come from? You can't trade guys like Oladipo and Adams and expect a rookie to be as good or better until the 3rd or 4th year in the league. They can't add a guy like Hayward in FA because they have no cap space.

I'm not saying that you can't build a championship roster around Russ. I'm saying OKC can't do it before he is out of his prime. Abrines and Sabonis are going to be nice players, but they aren't going to move the team from a 7th seed to top 2 in the West. OKC could have a shot at another solid player in this year's draft due to it's depth, but it won't be a guy that elevates the team it will be a solid role player type. Yes, it could be an upgrade to the current rotation in their 2nd season, but that really doesn't take much for a team that has Andre Roberson as their 4th best player and Kyle Singler gets regular playing time.

You can ask the same question around nearly every team in the NBA. It doesn't happen, until it does. I go back to Houston, and they didn't have much in the way of assets post Harden either. This roster is young, improving, and not that far off. They need a wing and backup PG.

The best strategy to win is often to just consistently be really good long enough to catch a lucky break. Be a team good enough to make a WCF and someone gets injured, boom. I don't think this roster is far from being at that point, and in honesty nobody beats GSW or the Cavs the next year or so. This year was always and will always be a bridge. We need to view it as such.

Which is why you rebuild now. By the time Golden State and Cleveland decline, Russ will be declining too. Houston is improved this year but I don't think they are good enough to beat San Antonio or Golden State in a series.

[bondom34]

The problem is how do they build around Russ? I think we all agree the current roster will never be good enough. They have no cap room. They have minimal draft picks and those will be in the 20s. You have a 3-4 year window before Russ starts to slip due to age. Where do the win now pieces come from? You can't trade guys like Oladipo and Adams and expect a rookie to be as good or better until the 3rd or 4th year in the league. They can't add a guy like Hayward in FA because they have no cap space.

I'm not saying that you can't build a championship roster around Russ. I'm saying OKC can't do it before he is out of his prime. Abrines and Sabonis are going to be nice players, but they aren't going to move the team from a 7th seed to top 2 in the West. OKC could have a shot at another solid player in this year's draft due to it's depth, but it won't be a guy that elevates the team it will be a solid role player type. Yes, it could be an upgrade to the current rotation in their 2nd season, but that really doesn't take much for a team that has Andre Roberson as their 4th best player and Kyle Singler gets regular playing time.

You can ask the same question around nearly every team in the NBA. It doesn't happen, until it does. I go back to Houston, and they didn't have much in the way of assets post Harden either. This roster is young, improving, and not that far off. They need a wing and backup PG.

The best strategy to win is often to just consistently be really good long enough to catch a lucky break. Be a team good enough to make a WCF and someone gets injured, boom. I don't think this roster is far from being at that point, and in honesty nobody beats GSW or the Cavs the next year or so. This year was always and will always be a bridge. We need to view it as such.

Which is why you rebuild now. By the time Golden State and Cleveland decline, Russ will be declining too. Houston is improved this year but I don't think they are good enough to beat San Antonio or Golden State in a series.

So your solution for 28 teams is to tank.

Lets be real. Russ isn't going anywhere and they're not tanking. Right now, the best course is to make this roster as good as it can be around him. That's the goal.

There's a ton of value in being a good team for a long time. Wanna scare free agents for good? Tank. Want to have hope within 10 years? Stick at what's going on now, because this team is too young and too good to tank, I keep ranting but look at all the garbage teams in the league who tank and NEVER see the success OKC is having even this year. You guys really think there aren't a boat load of teams who'd kill to be OKC? I'd politely ask you to go to other subforums and ask their fans if OKC should tank. I'd be interested.

[spearsy23]

Russ is fine, he seems to like everyone on this team. People need to wait more than 6 months to build around him.

The problem is how do they build around Russ? I think we all agree the current roster will never be good enough. They have no cap room. They have minimal draft picks and those will be in the 20s. You have a 3-4 year window before Russ starts to slip due to age. Where do the win now pieces come from? You can't trade guys like Oladipo and Adams and expect a rookie to be as good or better until the 3rd or 4th year in the league. They can't add a guy like Hayward in FA because they have no cap space.

I'm not saying that you can't build a championship roster around Russ. I'm saying OKC can't do it before he is out of his prime. Abrines and Sabonis are going to be nice players, but they aren't going to move the team from a 7th seed to top 2 in the West. OKC could have a shot at another solid player in this year's draft due to it's depth, but it won't be a guy that elevates the team it will be a solid role player type. Yes, it could be an upgrade to the current rotation in their 2nd season, but that really doesn't take much for a team that has Andre Roberson as their 4th best player and Kyle Singler gets regular playing time.

You can ask the same question around nearly every team in the NBA. It doesn't happen, until it does. I go back to Houston, and they didn't have much in the way of assets post Harden either. This roster is young, improving, and not that far off. They need a wing and backup PG.

Houston had cap space. And we need a starting wing, a backup PG, a backup wing, and either a starting pf or growth from domantas + backup pf.

[bondom34]

The problem is how do they build around Russ? I think we all agree the current roster will never be good enough. They have no cap room. They have minimal draft picks and those will be in the 20s. You have a 3-4 year window before Russ starts to slip due to age. Where do the win now pieces come from? You can't trade guys like Oladipo and Adams and expect a rookie to be as good or better until the 3rd or 4th year in the league. They can't add a guy like Hayward in FA because they have no cap space.

I'm not saying that you can't build a championship roster around Russ. I'm saying OKC can't do it before he is out of his prime. Abrines and Sabonis are going to be nice players, but they aren't going to move the team from a 7th seed to top 2 in the West. OKC could have a shot at another solid player in this year's draft due to it's depth, but it won't be a guy that elevates the team it will be a solid role player type. Yes, it could be an upgrade to the current rotation in their 2nd season, but that really doesn't take much for a team that has Andre Roberson as their 4th best player and Kyle Singler gets regular playing time.

You can ask the same question around nearly every team in the NBA. It doesn't happen, until it does. I go back to Houston, and they didn't have much in the way of assets post Harden either. This roster is young, improving, and not that far off. They need a wing and backup PG.

Houston had cap space. And we need a starting wing, a backup PG, a backup wing, and either a starting pf or growth from domantas + backup pf.

They can keep a wing (Robes), Sabonis develops, and need a wing and backup PG. The PG is cheap, you can find an MLE guy. The wing they need to pull a trade. And Houston used all its cap on Dwight one year entirely iirc. You can fill out the rest, the big stuff is there.

[bondom34]

Am I the only one who actually likes this season and doesn't want to blow up the roster?