OKC Thunder Offseason 2017: The Reshapening

[spearsy23]

Do you guys think we would have been better off trading Adams instead of Oladipo? Oladipo is a 3 and D guy, unlike Dre. Plus we will need to have a good small ball lineup to comepete with the other teams at the top of the league. It's not near as hard to get a center right now.

You mean Dipo instead of PG? Indy wasn't trading George for Adams. They wanted the hometown kid in Dipo that they could try to sell as a face of the franchise.

No, he means dipo instead of Adams. We all know it wasn't on the table, it's a hypothetical.


To answer, yes. We would've been better off in every way because dipo is better and cheaper. Plus it's a lot easier to find an Adams like player.

[spearsy23]

Do you guys think we would have been better off trading Adams instead of Oladipo? Oladipo is a 3 and D guy, unlike Dre. Plus we will need to have a good small ball lineup to comepete with the other teams at the top of the league. It's not near as hard to get a center right now.

Not really, VO was good, but didn't fit. I'm calling it now, Adams will be way better with PG, the spacing he's bringing alone will be huge.

Oladipo fit pretty well and was hampered just as much by the lack of spacing.

[retrobro90]

Nuggets with tons of PF right now. I wouldn't mind Kenneth Faried at all. He's pretty undersized but it's not a problem in this new NBA, while his athleticism and explosiveness can be huge for us.
He was trash last years but played for a dysfunctional team as well, so my hopes he can be better on another team are high.
I don't know, we just don't have tons of solutions

Adams-Faried-Westbrook-Paul George-Roberson would be amazing to watch.

No thanks on Faried. If we keep roberson we need a 4 that can shoot. Denver DOES have Darrell Arthur....

[bondom34]

Do you guys think we would have been better off trading Adams instead of Oladipo? Oladipo is a 3 and D guy, unlike Dre. Plus we will need to have a good small ball lineup to comepete with the other teams at the top of the league. It's not near as hard to get a center right now.

Not really, VO was good, but didn't fit. I'm calling it now, Adams will be way better with PG, the spacing he's bringing alone will be huge.

Oladipo fit pretty well and was hampered just as much by the lack of spacing.

Dipo fit well? That was like his entire problem, his role was supposed to be with cupcake around.

[Dadouv47]

Not really, VO was good, but didn't fit. I'm calling it now, Adams will be way better with PG, the spacing he's bringing alone will be huge.

Oladipo fit pretty well and was hampered just as much by the lack of spacing.

Dipo fit well? That was like his entire problem, his role was supposed to be with cupcake around.

We needed a SG that doesn't need the ball in his hands so much, so clearly Oladipo didn't fit with WB on the floor (even if he improved his 3pts %)

This all Oladipo/Adams debate is ridiculous. The trade value for 5-10 best Centers in the NBAlike Adams, Whiteside or Deandre Jordan is SO much higher than Oladipo's trade value

[thor19]

I think one of our biggest problems are the line-ups , our starters can defend but our bench can't, we know that abrines, mcbuckets, kanter, grant and semaj dont defend well but our coaching expect a top 10 defensive unit.

[bondom34]

I'd love to see now what Charlotte wants for Marvin Williams. I know Andre's brought him up before but suddenly I feel like he fits a bigger need.

[Dadouv47]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246712/Nuggets-Looking-To-Unload-Salary-To-Pursue-George-Hill

Do something Presti

[spearsy23]

Not really, VO was good, but didn't fit. I'm calling it now, Adams will be way better with PG, the spacing he's bringing alone will be huge.

Oladipo fit pretty well and was hampered just as much by the lack of spacing.

Dipo fit well? That was like his entire problem, his role was supposed to be with cupcake around.

He was a 3 and D guy. I don't see how he fit any less than steven, who is bad at everything but finishing and was awful defensively for half the season. Vic was the only starter that contributed anything to spacing and he helped hold the defense together. He didn't 'fit' in terms of being asked to be a second option. on a team with Paul George he would comfortably fill a third option role, contribute elite defense and acceptable floor spacing, and help get out in the open court. He's a better player than Steven on both ends.

[spearsy23]

Oladipo fit pretty well and was hampered just as much by the lack of spacing.

Dipo fit well? That was like his entire problem, his role was supposed to be with cupcake around.

We needed a SG that doesn't need the ball in his hands so much, so clearly Oladipo didn't fit with WB on the floor (even if he improved his 3pts %)

This all Oladipo/Adams debate is ridiculous. The trade value for 5-10 best Centers in the NBAlike Adams, Whiteside or Deandre Jordan is SO much higher than Oladipo's trade value

If Adams was actually a top 5-10 center you might have a point. He's more like 15-20.

[spearsy23]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246712/Nuggets-Looking-To-Unload-Salary-To-Pursue-George-Hill

Do something Presti

Only guy I'd want is Barton. Faried is the opposite of a stretch 4 and isn't good.

[bondom34]

Oladipo fit pretty well and was hampered just as much by the lack of spacing.

Dipo fit well? That was like his entire problem, his role was supposed to be with cupcake around.

He was a 3 and D guy. I don't see how he fit any less than steven, who is bad at everything but finishing and was awful defensively for half the season. Vic was the only starter that contributed anything to spacing and he helped hold the defense together. He didn't 'fit' in terms of being asked to be a second option. on a team with Paul George he would comfortably fill a third option role, contribute elite defense and acceptable floor spacing, and help get out in the open court. He's a better player than Steven on both ends.

Except he's a guy who needed the ball to be at his best, and couldn't get it with Russ and PG. I'm more convinced Steven would benefit from not having 5 guys in the paint at all times than VO playing off ball even more, and you know I'm a big fan of Vic. I'm calling it now, but I think Steven can be in MIP running.

[spearsy23]

Dipo fit well? That was like his entire problem, his role was supposed to be with cupcake around.

He was a 3 and D guy. I don't see how he fit any less than steven, who is bad at everything but finishing and was awful defensively for half the season. Vic was the only starter that contributed anything to spacing and he helped hold the defense together. He didn't 'fit' in terms of being asked to be a second option. on a team with Paul George he would comfortably fill a third option role, contribute elite defense and acceptable floor spacing, and help get out in the open court. He's a better player than Steven on both ends.

Except he's a guy who needed the ball to be at his best, and couldn't get it with Russ and PG. I'm more convinced Steven would benefit from not having 5 guys in the paint at all times than VO playing off ball even more, and you know I'm a big fan of Vic. I'm calling it now, but I think Steven can be in MIP running.

How anyone could have watched last season and think Vic needs the ball in his hands is beyond me. He was terrible with the ball, his offensive value was three point shooting and transition.

And call whatever you like because there's no chance Steven is getting an MIP award. The last five winners were all 20+ ppg scorers. And he's not getting more shots or rebounds with Paul George replacing vic, isn't going to see significantly more minutes, and isn't going to shoot 70%. Plus he already has a reputation as a great defender despite what we saw last year. He might pick up a couple of extra points and an extra assist if we're being real optimistic.

[bondom34]

He was a 3 and D guy. I don't see how he fit any less than steven, who is bad at everything but finishing and was awful defensively for half the season. Vic was the only starter that contributed anything to spacing and he helped hold the defense together. He didn't 'fit' in terms of being asked to be a second option. on a team with Paul George he would comfortably fill a third option role, contribute elite defense and acceptable floor spacing, and help get out in the open court. He's a better player than Steven on both ends.

Except he's a guy who needed the ball to be at his best, and couldn't get it with Russ and PG. I'm more convinced Steven would benefit from not having 5 guys in the paint at all times than VO playing off ball even more, and you know I'm a big fan of Vic. I'm calling it now, but I think Steven can be in MIP running.

How anyone could have watched last season and think Vic needs the ball in his hands is beyond me. He was terrible with the ball, his offensive value was three point shooting and transition.

And call whatever you like because there's no chance Steven is getting an MIP award. The last five winners were all 20+ ppg scorers. And he's not getting more shots or rebounds with Paul George replacing vic, isn't going to see significantly more minutes, and isn't going to shoot 70%. Plus he already has a reputation as a great defender despite what we saw last year. He might pick up a couple of extra points and an extra assist if we're being real optimistic.

Vic wasn't great last year in that role but it's what his ideal spot is, you're otherwise paying a ton for a wing who couldn't do anything with Russ on the bench, I at least trust Steven to do that much. The guy had a down year, but with spacing he anchored the defense 2 years ago. When you add a guy who brings a ton of what cupcake did, that comes back.

[bondom34]

I'd take Leuer from Detroit too.

[Dadouv47]

Dipo fit well? That was like his entire problem, his role was supposed to be with cupcake around.

We needed a SG that doesn't need the ball in his hands so much, so clearly Oladipo didn't fit with WB on the floor (even if he improved his 3pts %)

This all Oladipo/Adams debate is ridiculous. The trade value for 5-10 best Centers in the NBAlike Adams, Whiteside or Deandre Jordan is SO much higher than Oladipo's trade value

If Adams was actually a top 5-10 center you might have a point. He's more like 15-20.

If you take only the second half of last season into account, you are right. Otherwise, you are insane. He's top 10 in every NBA rankings from last year.

Would love to hear names of 14 to 19 Centers that are better than him.

[Dadouv47]

People tends to forget how Adams murdered the spurs and GS during the playoffs. Of course last season with no spacing it was so easy for opponents to defend on him (and he clearly wasn't as good as before during the season, don't know if weights problems or not).

But given his age and his level when he's at 100%, his value to the thunder his wayyyyy higher than Oladipo's.

[spearsy23]

We needed a SG that doesn't need the ball in his hands so much, so clearly Oladipo didn't fit with WB on the floor (even if he improved his 3pts %)

This all Oladipo/Adams debate is ridiculous. The trade value for 5-10 best Centers in the NBAlike Adams, Whiteside or Deandre Jordan is SO much higher than Oladipo's trade value

If Adams was actually a top 5-10 center you might have a point. He's more like 15-20.

If you take only the second half of last season into account, you are right. Otherwise, you are insane. He's top 10 in every NBA rankings from last year.

Would love to hear names of 14 to 19 Centers that are better than him.

Jokic
Cousins
Gobert
Jordan
Zeller
Turner
Gasol
Gasol
Whiteside
Horford
Towns
Embiid

Then there's a grouping of guys that are arguable
Pachulia
Lopez
Dedman
Monroe
Drummond
Chandler
Howard
Nurkic
Noel

Plus a couple of guys listed at pf that should be centers
Porzingis
Dieng


I wouldn't take all of those guys over him, but he hasn't separated himself clearly from any of them.

[spearsy23]

People tends to forget how Adams murdered the spurs and GS during the playoffs. Of course last season with no spacing it was so easy for opponents to defend on him (and he clearly wasn't as good as before during the season, don't know if weights problems or not).

But given his age and his level when he's at 100%, his value to the thunder his wayyyyy higher than Oladipo's.

Remember Jerome James? Never be married to a guy based off a play-off run.

[Pillendreher]

Why would the lack of spacing affect his defense this much? I mean I guess you could say he has to invest more energy on the offensive end without any space around him, but his defense should not have been that bad.

For his contract to be worth it, he has to play elite defense. There's no way around it. If he can't provide that, we're in trouble.