2017-2018 OKC Thunder Regular Season Thread part one: The Fellowship for A Ring

[Andre Roberstan]

On twitter trying to get Style and Alaska on here. Miss the DT crew.

You're never in the Discord!

[thekaoswithin]

On twitter trying to get Style and Alaska on here. Miss the DT crew.

You're never in the Discord!

we have a discord? some1 link pls

[Pillendreher]

On twitter trying to get Style and Alaska on here. Miss the DT crew.

You're never in the Discord!

we have a discord? some1 link pls

https://discord.gg/5ywfJy

[ThunderBolt]

it is certainly baffling that patterson can't get more minutes. i suspect that the thunder believe that for some reason jerami grant is better than him next to adams-- probably because he's athletic and allows them to switch / adds a rim protector. and it's obvious why they prefer anthony over patterson.

what a waste. we've wanted a guy like patterson for years and now that we have him he's the 10th man behind g-league scrubs.

Per nbawowy:

Grant Adams last season: 112.3 DRtG
Grant-Adams this season: 112.4 DRtG

Patterson-Adams: 92.1 DRtG

"Billy Donovan knows all the advanced stats"

For funsies I had to see what the local media thinks about this:

Berry Tramel replied:
“Donovan knows all this. And a Patterson/Adams pairing would be interesting. That's something we haven't seen a lot of. Patterson playing with the first unit. That's something to consider. But OKC has been playing a lot better recently, with Carmelo.”

[bondom34]

On twitter trying to get Style and Alaska on here. Miss the DT crew.

You're never in the Discord!

Been dropping in on occasion this week.

[ThunderBolt]

This incident with Russ pushing the fan is way overblown.

[ThunderBolt]

Is there any metric that would show the effectiveness, or lack thereof, of Adams switching onto opposing guards?

[slick_watts]

Is there any metric that would show the effectiveness, or lack tbereof, of Adams switching onto opposing guards?

probably second spectrum data available that may shed light on this. or maybe pnr ball handler synergy data? i wouldn't trust that. anyway, i'm guessing there's nothing public available. might be something interesting to look into, especially in fourth quarters with westbrook in the game as that seems when it's most employed.

[slick_watts]

paul george has been exceptional this year. i was skeptical about him- especially since his defensive metrics / boxscore stats showed evidence of decline. but he's done everything you could possibly expect given the circumstances.

[Andre Roberstan]

Is there any metric that would show the effectiveness, or lack tbereof, of Adams switching onto opposing guards?

probably second spectrum data available that may shed light on this. or maybe pnr ball handler synergy data? i wouldn't trust that. anyway, i'm guessing there's nothing public available. might be something interesting to look into, especially in fourth quarters with westbrook in the game as that seems when it's most employed.

I don't trust it that much either, but for what it's worth, from my cursory look he ranks highly overall on both PnR and Isolation defense—but not so good on drives to the basket. Which makes sense, because that's likely when he gets the switch most of the time.

He's still not awful, but it's definitely not as good.

[slick_watts]

Is there any metric that would show the effectiveness, or lack tbereof, of Adams switching onto opposing guards?

probably second spectrum data available that may shed light on this. or maybe pnr ball handler synergy data? i wouldn't trust that. anyway, i'm guessing there's nothing public available. might be something interesting to look into, especially in fourth quarters with westbrook in the game as that seems when it's most employed.

I don't trust it that much either, but for what it's worth, from my cursory look he ranks highly overall on both PnR and Isolation defense—but not so good on drives to the basket. Which makes sense, because that's likely when he gets the switch most of the time.

He's still not awful, but it's definitely not as good.

i'd look into the video but i think that everyone could agree that adams being switched onto wings who can shoot and have a handle is not ideal.

[Andre Roberstan]

i'd look into the video but i think that everyone could agree that adams being switched onto wings who can shoot and have a handle is not ideal.

The DT subscription is only for stats, not video—or else I would.

And yeah, there was a lot of lazy switching last night. It looked like a team in a hard stretch of the schedule playing at the highest altitude in the NBA without their best defender—ideally you want more effort, but I can understand it.

[slick_watts]

i'd look into the video but i think that everyone could agree that adams being switched onto wings who can shoot and have a handle is not ideal.

The DT subscription is only for stats, not video—or else I would.

And yeah, there was a lot of lazy switching last night. It looked like a team in a hard stretch of the schedule playing at the highest altitude in the NBA without their best defender—ideally you want more effort, but I can understand it.

fatigue is a thing, but we're talking poor effort from the first whistle. the defense played a bit better at the end. they had enough in the tank to keep the nuggets below 120pp100 imo.

andre roberson is my 2nd favorite thunder player of all time but he's not worth 15pp100 on defense, no one is.

[Pillendreher]

i'd look into the video but i think that everyone could agree that adams being switched onto wings who can shoot and have a handle is not ideal.

The DT subscription is only for stats, not video—or else I would.

And yeah, there was a lot of lazy switching last night. It looked like a team in a hard stretch of the schedule playing at the highest altitude in the NBA without their best defender—ideally you want more effort, but I can understand it.

fatigue is a thing, but we're talking poor effort from the first whistle. the defense played a bit better at the end. they had enough in the tank to keep the nuggets below 120pp100 imo.

andre roberson is my 2nd favorite thunder player of all time but he's not worth 15pp100 on defense, no one is.

They did keep them at 119 ORtG

[ThunderBolt]

Is there any metric that would show the effectiveness, or lack tbereof, of Adams switching onto opposing guards?

probably second spectrum data available that may shed light on this. or maybe pnr ball handler synergy data? i wouldn't trust that. anyway, i'm guessing there's nothing public available. might be something interesting to look into, especially in fourth quarters with westbrook in the game as that seems when it's most employed.

I don't trust it that much either, but for what it's worth, from my cursory look he ranks highly overall on both PnR and Isolation defense—but not so good on drives to the basket. Which makes sense, because that's likely when he gets the switch most of the time.

He's still not awful, but it's definitely not as good.

So by ranking highly in pNr defense but not good on drives to the basket it would seem to me that it’s not as much of a personnel issue as it issue a defensive philosophical one. Or am i interpreting that wrong?

[Andre Roberstan]

probably second spectrum data available that may shed light on this. or maybe pnr ball handler synergy data? i wouldn't trust that. anyway, i'm guessing there's nothing public available. might be something interesting to look into, especially in fourth quarters with westbrook in the game as that seems when it's most employed.

I don't trust it that much either, but for what it's worth, from my cursory look he ranks highly overall on both PnR and Isolation defense—but not so good on drives to the basket. Which makes sense, because that's likely when he gets the switch most of the time.

He's still not awful, but it's definitely not as good.

So by ranking highly in pNr defense but not good on drives to the basket it would seem to me that it’s not as much of a personnel issue as it issue a defensive philosophical one. Or am i interpreting that wrong?

They probably switch too much, yeah.

[Pillendreher]

andre roberson is my 2nd favorite thunder player of all time but he's not worth 15pp100 on defense, no one is.

Russ+George+Adams

Robes ON|Robes OFF

Minutes: 583|563
ORtG: 108.5|111.5
DRtG: 94.5|112.0
ORB%: 32.0|30.6
DRB%:82.0|75.3

PTS OFF TO per 100 poss: 22.0|16.0
2ND PTS per 100 poss:17.5|17.6
FBPS per 100 poss: 19.0|17.6
PITP: 49.2|46.2

opp PTS OFF TO per 100 poss: 15.6|14.2
opp 2ND PTS per 100 poss: 9.0|15.4
opp FBPS per 100 poss: 9.6|12.9
opp PITP per 100 poss: 39.6|44.2

eFG%: 52.7|53.7
FTr: 23.4|23.3
TO Ratio: 15.5|14.6
ORB%: 32.5|30.6

opp eFG%: 50.8|54.4
opp FTr: 20.0|27.1
opp TO Ratio: 19.3|14.0
opp ORB%: 18.0|24.7

How can we fix this? This kind of difference is unreal. Based on four factors, this is how we would rate as a team on the season:

opp eFG%: 8th|29th
opp FTr: 1st|23rd
opp TO Ratio: 1st|22nd
opp ORB%: 1st|29th

[Pillendreher]

Since Robes went down:

4 games played
opp FGA/FG: 168/352 (47.7 %)
opp 2PA/2P: 122/236 (51.7 %)
opp 3PA/3P: 46/116 (39.7 %)

opp Restricted Area: 63/115 (54.8 %) | 34.8 Freq (48.7 Freq among 2s only)
opp In the paint (non-ra): 27/50 (54.0 %) | 15.2 Freq (21.2 Freq among 2s only)
opp Midrange: 32/71 (45.1 %) | 21.5 Freq (30.1 Freq among 2s only)
opp Corner 3s: 11/23 (47.8 %) | 7.0 Freq (19.8 Freq among 3s only)
opp Above the break 3s: 35/90 (38.9 %) | 27.3 Freq (77.6 Freq. among 3s only)

Open and Wide Open 3s: 43/107 (40.2 %) | 32.4 Freq (92.2 Freq among 3s only)
Tight and Very Tight 3s: 3/9 (33.3 %) | 2.7 Freq (7.8 Freq among 3s only)
Open and Wide Open 2s: 43/70 (61.4 %) | 21.2 Freq (29.7 Freq among 2s only)
Tight and Very Tight 2s: 79/144 (54.9 %) | 43.6 Freq (61.0 Freq among 2s only)

PS: I know that some numbers don't add up. stats.nba.com must have some issues; i checked the numbers provided by them.

[Pillendreher]

Did you guys notice that Donovan is riding the starters even harder now? Over the last 3 games, Russ-George-Anthony-Adams as a unit only missed a total of 18 minutes in the 1st and 3rd quarters. They played 54 out of a total 72 minutes.

I don't think that's gonna help with fatigue...

[Pillendreher]

At least 5 3PA per 36 minutes in the 3pt era. If you take away the Lakers game, Ferguson is 15/65 from 3.