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Post#2041 » by spearsy23 » Sat Jul 6, 2019 11:55 am

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Old Man Game wrote:And 5 firsts


Which probably won't be worth much. Miami never misses the Playoffs and the Clippers look to be set up for the foreseeable future. I don't care about some guy we might draft in 2026 who is still in middle school right now.


this is a brilliant trade by sam no matter how it shakes out. five first round picks is incredible + a pick swap + a promising player still on rookie scale. this is how you start a rebuild, bro. hopefully that's the direction sam is going in. the thing is, you combine those first round picks with (hopeully) the lottery picks you are getting while you suck. we'll have at least two 1sts almost every year. crazy.

Too lazy to look it up, is the supposed draft that's going to allow high schoolers one of the ones we got a pick in?
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#2042 » by Old Man Game » Sat Jul 6, 2019 11:56 am

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Old Man Game wrote:And 5 firsts


Which probably won't be worth much. Miami never misses the Playoffs and the Clippers look to be set up for the foreseeable future. I don't care about some guy we might draft in 2026 who is still in middle school right now.


Those picks have a tone of value. That's the proverbial coin of the realm. And we got 5 of them. That's nuts.
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Re: Thunder Offseason Thread 

Post#2043 » by ThunderBolt » Sat Jul 6, 2019 11:57 am

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ThunderBolt wrote:If the heat were considering taking wall to get beal, I would think they would be very interested in Russ.

That roster is awful though. Remove protections on that one pick, but what else do you want from them? Herro and adebayo? How do you match salaries?

I haven't really looked at it. I just don't think the return for Russ will be great. I don't think he's a negative asset but if we can shed his salary and get back anything positive, I'm content. My first call is still to the Knicks. If Presti got RJ, I would lose my mind.
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Re: Thunder Offseason Thread 

Post#2044 » by spearsy23 » Sat Jul 6, 2019 11:58 am

It's obviously really early, but isn't next year's draft supposed to be pretty devoid of top end talent?

I look forward to caring about prospects again, it's always been my favorite night of the season.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#2045 » by spearsy23 » Sat Jul 6, 2019 11:59 am

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ThunderBolt wrote:If the heat were considering taking wall to get beal, I would think they would be very interested in Russ.

That roster is awful though. Remove protections on that one pick, but what else do you want from them? Herro and adebayo? How do you match salaries?

I haven't really looked at it. I just don't think the return for Russ will be great. I don't think he's a negative asset but if we can shed his salary and get back anything positive, I'm content. My first call is still to the Knicks. If Presti got RJ, I would lose my mind.

I'm not big on RJ, but that would be ideal.

Biggest problem with a Russ trade is that you HAVE to get out of the tax with it. You can't leave yourself in a position where you trade Russ then still have to attach an asset to salary dump someone.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Re: Thunder Offseason Thread 

Post#2046 » by slick_watts » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:01 pm

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Which probably won't be worth much. Miami never misses the Playoffs and the Clippers look to be set up for the foreseeable future. I don't care about some guy we might draft in 2026 who is still in middle school right now.


this is a brilliant trade by sam no matter how it shakes out. five first round picks is incredible + a pick swap + a promising player still on rookie scale. this is how you start a rebuild, bro. hopefully that's the direction sam is going in. the thing is, you combine those first round picks with (hopeully) the lottery picks you are getting while you suck. we'll have at least two 1sts almost every year. crazy.


Yes, I'm really excited, especially since "Sam" has whiffed on almost every draft pick since Roberson. A bunch of late firsts will really get this rebuild going. Yay!


you wanted them to be a 6 seed again and lose in the first round with a $70 million tax bill? be excited or not i don't care. but this is objectively an incredible and unprecedented return for one player.

but hey, you complain when the thunder trade 1sts for players you don't like (justifiably), you complain when they get more 1sts in one trade than any team ever has. at this point you just want to be sad i guess.
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Re: Thunder Offseason Thread 

Post#2047 » by ThunderBolt » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:02 pm

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spearsy23 wrote:That roster is awful though. Remove protections on that one pick, but what else do you want from them? Herro and adebayo? How do you match salaries?

I haven't really looked at it. I just don't think the return for Russ will be great. I don't think he's a negative asset but if we can shed his salary and get back anything positive, I'm content. My first call is still to the Knicks. If Presti got RJ, I would lose my mind.

I'm not big on RJ, but that would be ideal.

Biggest problem with a Russ trade is that you HAVE to get out of the tax with it. You can't leave yourself in a position where you trade Russ then still have to attach an asset to salary dump someone.


If we aren't going to compete for a couple of years, are there some options to stretch someone to get us out of the tax? It's not ideal but we are in asset hoarding mode now.
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Post#2048 » by Dadouv47 » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:03 pm

Well we just made the best and most heartbreak trade in Thunder history. We knew we were slowly going to misery. Now we are going faster but with some hope given all the assets.
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Post#2049 » by Old Man Game » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:05 pm

Surely the whole "salary dump" for Adams suddenly looks more attractive. We are tanking anyway.
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Post#2050 » by ThunderBolt » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:05 pm

T wolves make sense for Russ.
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Re: Thunder Offseason Thread 

Post#2051 » by spearsy23 » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:05 pm

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ThunderBolt wrote:I haven't really looked at it. I just don't think the return for Russ will be great. I don't think he's a negative asset but if we can shed his salary and get back anything positive, I'm content. My first call is still to the Knicks. If Presti got RJ, I would lose my mind.

I'm not big on RJ, but that would be ideal.

Biggest problem with a Russ trade is that you HAVE to get out of the tax with it. You can't leave yourself in a position where you trade Russ then still have to attach an asset to salary dump someone.


If we aren't going to compete for a couple of years, are there some options to stretch someone to get us out of the tax? It's not ideal but we are in asset hoarding mode now.

That's even less palatable imo. You stretch the amount of salary we'd have to and you leave yourself with huge opportunity costs down the road.
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Re: Thunder Offseason Thread 

Post#2052 » by slick_watts » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:06 pm

cap space can be as valuable an asset in a rebuild as picks, sometimes. one of sam's best trades ever was acquiring kurt thomas from the suns with two 1sts.
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Post#2053 » by Dadouv47 » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:07 pm

Time to trade Russ and bring back Dion *** Waiters
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Post#2054 » by spearsy23 » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:08 pm

Old Man Game wrote:Surely the whole "salary dump" for Adams suddenly looks more attractive. We are tanking anyway.

Adams is perfect for a rebuild though. He's solid enough to help a team not destroy their culture but not good enough to cost you losses, young enough to still be prime when you're trying to win again, a great character guy that has connected with the fans, and supposedly still has some developing skillsets that haven't been unlocked.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#2055 » by Old Man Game » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:09 pm

Dude, we may be able to trade Gallo before the deadline. He's only got 1 year left on his deal. https://www.spotrac.com/nba/oklahoma-city-thunder/danilo-gallinari-6138/
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Post#2056 » by ThunderBolt » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:09 pm

How much do we need to shed now to get below the tax?
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Post#2057 » by slick_watts » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:11 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:How much do we need to shed now to get below the tax?


they are a little over $12 million over after a muscala and burks minimum signings. but that also puts them at 15 players with no spot for bazley. suspect there are more moves to come.
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Post#2058 » by Old Man Game » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:12 pm

spearsy23 wrote:
Old Man Game wrote:Surely the whole "salary dump" for Adams suddenly looks more attractive. We are tanking anyway.

Adams is perfect for a rebuild though. He's solid enough to help a team not destroy their culture but not good enough to cost you losses, young enough to still be prime when you're trying to win again, a great character guy that has connected with the fans, and supposedly still has some developing skillsets that haven't been unlocked.


All things being equal I'd like to keep him. He's sort of become Nick Collison and could be that for this next iteration of the team's rebuild.

But, ya know, it comes to nut cutting over dollars and cents he might still have to go.
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Post#2059 » by Thunder Up » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:12 pm

I’m so hard right now
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Re: Thunder Offseason Thread 

Post#2060 » by Old Man Game » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:12 pm

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ThunderBolt wrote:How much do we need to shed now to get below the tax?


they are a little over $12 million over after a muscala and burks minimum signings. but that also puts them at 15 players with no spot for bazley. suspect there are more moves to come.


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