2018-2019 OKC Thunder Regular Season Pt 1: A Renewed Hope

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Post#2061 » by TheKiwi » Tue Jan 1, 2019 6:17 am

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RalphSampsonJr wrote:Whats going on?!

Russ plays like an ass, We write down our frustrations now Dom doesnt want to hear it which means we are all the cause of this thread to go to ****?

Im seen this forum worse than it is atm and i havent been on here that long.


I’m with Ralph on this one. This has been the main issue for me. I don’t care if anyone has opposing tales or views. If I disagree or they disagree, that’s where a discussion/debate can be had.

The issue starts when some (Bondom) think their take/opinion is better than others and respond to other’s comments in a very condescending manner. It’s narcissism at it’s very core.

Bondom thinks he’s better than us and that his opinion is more valuable and he operates as such. This becomes obvious when you read his posts. And it’s facilitated to some degree by other older members on this board. Bondom has his little “clique” and anyone who’s not in it or disagrees with that clique is treated as a second-class member, which is honestly annoying to newer members of the board.

This behavior is unacceptable and is harmful to the harmony of this board. And this is the last I will speak of it and the only reason I speak of it now is because Mr. Andre Roberstan has made it a point that this needs to stop.

If you don’t like what’s being talked about, no one is asking for your opinion. You don’t have to post here. Hell, put all of us “simpletons” on ignore if it makes you feel better about the board. But don’t condescend to others to make yourself better. It’s sad and annoying.

I accept my role in fostering this as well. I’m not innocent. In fact, sometimes I enjoy triggering Bondom because it’s so easy. But someone has to call this crap out. Bondom is just one member of this board out of many and should behave as such.


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I mean from a long time reader, seldom poster on these an other basketball forums, reddit etc. Dom has consistently been a thoughtful contributor in all of the various mediums I have seen him post in from a Thunder perspective, I don't always agree with him, but you don't have to, that's not the point.

The fact you seem proud of making him, and for the record it's definitely NOT just him that you annoy, so exasperated with your constant spewing of complete and utter garbage is frankly disturbing and people should have a real problem with that. If you want to see how to have a dissenting opinion that doesn't make everyone around you hate your guts completely then look at Justin, who actually uses arguments based in logic to convey opinions that he very obviously doesn't agree with but thinks the point should be made. You on the other hand literally pop an acid and come on here proclaiming how we're going to use the shroom you just took and turn it into Bradley Beal and wonder why no one takes you seriously. Its not just how wrong and bad your opinions are, it's how constant and nagging as a poster you try to make your points. You literally made 3 separate threads on the trade board trying in vain to muster some support for your, I mean half baked ideas is bloody generous but that's what we'll go with.

In short. It's not fun to constantly be reading, and reading peoples replies to your rambling nonsense when there's a lot about Thunder basketball to actually discuss but instead you inject your inane rubbish into every conversation and steer it, once again, in a meaningless direction.

Congratulations though I guess, on a successful troll mission. I firmly and desperately want to believe you're a Rockets fan with a LOT of spare time come to mess with everyone here. If so, bravo. If not, Y I K E S.
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Post#2062 » by Pillendreher » Tue Jan 1, 2019 11:49 am

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Chin up. No shooting, **** Russell and still right there with the best of them. Happy New Year and Thunder UP!
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Post#2063 » by Old Man Game » Tue Jan 1, 2019 12:59 pm

Abrines absence last night excused instead of illness as a personal reason. Not even sure what to make of that.
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Post#2064 » by ThunderBolt » Tue Jan 1, 2019 1:03 pm

Old Man Game wrote:Abrines absence last night excused instead of illness as a personal reason. Not even sure what to make of that.

He hasn't played since he missed the potential game winner against the wolves. I dont think its coincidence. I read that he was getting roasted on his instagram pretty hard. Im wondering if he's having a breakdown or something.
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Post#2065 » by Old Man Game » Tue Jan 1, 2019 1:14 pm

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Old Man Game wrote:Abrines absence last night excused instead of illness as a personal reason. Not even sure what to make of that.

He hasn't played since he missed the potential game winner against the wolves. I dont think its coincidence. I read that he was getting roasted on his instagram pretty hard. Im wondering if he's having a breakdown or something.


Or substance abuse maybe? Seems odd. One thing I feel for certain at this point (actually have for awhile), our beat reporters are just totally ineffective. I'm sorry, if this storyline is going on in New York, Chicago, L.A., Philly, the public would know what was up.
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Post#2066 » by ThunderBolt » Tue Jan 1, 2019 1:18 pm

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Old Man Game wrote:Abrines absence last night excused instead of illness as a personal reason. Not even sure what to make of that.

He hasn't played since he missed the potential game winner against the wolves. I dont think its coincidence. I read that he was getting roasted on his instagram pretty hard. Im wondering if he's having a breakdown or something.


Or substance abuse maybe? Seems odd. One thing I feel for certain at this point (actually have for awhile), our beat reporters are just totally ineffective. I'm sorry, if this storyline is going on in New York, Chicago, L.A., Philly, the public would know what was up.



Yea they may ask one question and then they accept whatever canned response they get from Donovan or whoever they ask. This should absolutely be a story. Even if they don't know whats going on by reporting on the fact that he's reportedly missing it force's the thunders hand to offer more information.
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Post#2067 » by spearsy23 » Tue Jan 1, 2019 1:25 pm

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Old Man Game wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:He hasn't played since he missed the potential game winner against the wolves. I dont think its coincidence. I read that he was getting roasted on his instagram pretty hard. Im wondering if he's having a breakdown or something.


Or substance abuse maybe? Seems odd. One thing I feel for certain at this point (actually have for awhile), our beat reporters are just totally ineffective. I'm sorry, if this storyline is going on in New York, Chicago, L.A., Philly, the public would know what was up.



Yea they may ask one question and then they accept whatever canned response they get from Donovan or whoever they ask. This should absolutely be a story. Even if they don't know whats going on by reporting on the fact that he's reportedly missing it force's the thunders hand to offer more information.

Eh, I kinda respect the idea that personal issues are the player's private info. I wish they'd dig deeper on basketball issues, but if the org says personal matter and won't disclose more then let it be.
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Post#2068 » by ThunderBolt » Tue Jan 1, 2019 1:43 pm

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Old Man Game wrote:
Or substance abuse maybe? Seems odd. One thing I feel for certain at this point (actually have for awhile), our beat reporters are just totally ineffective. I'm sorry, if this storyline is going on in New York, Chicago, L.A., Philly, the public would know what was up.



Yea they may ask one question and then they accept whatever canned response they get from Donovan or whoever they ask. This should absolutely be a story. Even if they don't know whats going on by reporting on the fact that he's reportedly missing it force's the thunders hand to offer more information.

Eh, I kinda respect the idea that personal issues are the player's private info. I wish they'd dig deeper on basketball issues, but if the org says personal matter and won't disclose more then let it be.



That's fine but they could have pushed more on the sickness. Is it the same sickness as before? Is it a chronic condition?
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Post#2069 » by Pillendreher » Tue Jan 1, 2019 2:18 pm

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Post#2070 » by Old Man Game » Tue Jan 1, 2019 2:54 pm

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Old Man Game wrote:
Or substance abuse maybe? Seems odd. One thing I feel for certain at this point (actually have for awhile), our beat reporters are just totally ineffective. I'm sorry, if this storyline is going on in New York, Chicago, L.A., Philly, the public would know what was up.



Yea they may ask one question and then they accept whatever canned response they get from Donovan or whoever they ask. This should absolutely be a story. Even if they don't know whats going on by reporting on the fact that he's reportedly missing it force's the thunders hand to offer more information.

Eh, I kinda respect the idea that personal issues are the player's private info. I wish they'd dig deeper on basketball issues, but if the org says personal matter and won't disclose more then let it be.


Being able to make a player just disappear for weeks at a time and cover it up with "illness" or "personal reasons" is something they could easily abuse to cover up information that might make them look bad. Remember when McGary was gone for several weeks and they just said personal reasons? And then he eventually fails the umpteenth drug test of his career and he's off the roster in short order in the ensuing offseason? Seems pretty clear he had some sort of substance abuse disorder. Did the team try to help him with that? Does an organization owe a responsibility to a player in that situation? I don't know, but it's a conversation worth having that never was had.
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Post#2071 » by hardenASG13 » Tue Jan 1, 2019 3:44 pm

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getrichordie wrote:Lmao. Have you guys seen Patterson play? Are we watching the same game?

Patterson belongs on second unit. I think he should play some minutes with starters, but he shouldn’t be starting.


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Yep, he's right where he should be. The second unit is so good this year. Even ferg has found his confidence. I wonder how long it will be before this board admits Schroeder is an awesome return for melo, too. Oh and 1 more thing. It's crazy how the team isn't missing Roberson, with competent replacements (Schroeder, abrines, diallo, ferguson), as opposed to **** abrines last year and Corey brewer.......they look great!


you must be a glutton for punishment. the team isn't missing andre roberson? lol. ok. we'll take another look at this down the line, because tbh you and many others said the same thing when waiters started, when brewer started, and basically any time 'dre gets hurt and some flash in the pan streak occurs. you can't like.. pound your chest on this one when you were wrong every other time.

i can't speak for anyone else, but for me it takes a long time and a lot of evidence to support an extraordinary subversion such as dennis schroder being a good player, or the thunder are an elite defense without andre roberson. it should for anyone imo who doesn't want to be reactionary, but i think you're too emotional.


Ok bros (I say bros to include your whole Roberson posse.....pillendreher (the guy who like 15-20 games into the season still was trying to use stats to say patterson was better than grant, saying grant was the worst fit possible in today's NBA at pf (he's the perfect role player), "thunderbolt", bondom, spearsy, etc.), let's "take another look".

It's nearly halfway through the season. Roberson hasn't played a minute. The team is a game out of first in the west. Best defensive rating in the league. Where are they missing Roberson exactly? You guys had your moment when Corey brewer, huestis, and abrines couldn't cut it (a really small, thrown together sample, btw). But as I told you, for years, all the stats you lived by with Roberson were a joke.

The team played a guy who couldn't shoot at all for 30mpg at st, in a league where almost all the good teams (gsw, houston, lebrons cavs) thrive because they are loaded with shooting, not individual defenders. That's because, as I've told you, repeatedly, one individual defender, a perimeter defender, doesn't have nearly as much value on a team as you all constantly argued he did. That is why no other team uses them like okc used Roberson. Elite offense beats elite defense one on one, and has throughout the history of the game (that's why stars produce regardless of who guards them)

Defense is a team thing. Grant getting more minutes, combined with Ferguson being able to stay in front of guys have made Robersons absence completely unnoticeable, except on offense where they aren't playing 4 on 5 anymore and have room to operate. Why would this team, or any, need Roberson? Where has he been missed?

He has been easily replaced, and the team is really good, despite Westbrooks struggles ( funny how you all advocate for big samples, then kill Russ for struggling for 30 games, where he missed all of training camp (he's gonna get it going, maybe not his old self, but better than this, guys). The defense hasn't fallen apart, like you all always said it would (again, top rated defense in the league).

Deny it if you want, but one of the main 'cat's' kd was referring to not being able to win with was Roberson. Playing a dude who can't shoot or dribble on the perimeter for 30 mpg makes 0 sense. As this season is proving, it is completely unnecessary to do so as defense is a team thing. That's why nobody else does it. It's a major part of why KD left imo. The okc media did a great job selling his value (as they did with Perkins before him). You all bought it. This season without him is simply speaking for itself. Oh and before you speak to them having had such an easy schedule, I'm pretty sure Roberson was playing against the same exact teams all these years too.....go thunder!
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Post#2072 » by Pillendreher » Tue Jan 1, 2019 4:14 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:he's the perfect role player


He's what?! :lol: I stand by my Grant takes. He's played better than expected, but the main issues are still there. His 3pt shooting has been hot garbage lately. We'll see if he is regressing to his career average or to a respectable number. Teams still prefer to pack the paint over sticking with Grant spotting up. He still can't set a proper screen.

He's been doing a lot with what he's been given and I'm glad for that. But I'm not going to fall over backwards because of it. I hope he keeps it up, but I'm also not opposed to finding somebody who's a better fit. Grant has had to work around the edges a lot because the fit isn't what it should be.

hardenASG13 wrote:It's nearly halfway through the season. Roberson hasn't played a minute. The team is a game out of first in the west. Best defensive rating in the league. Where are they missing Roberson exactly?


Right here, you dolt:

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You might not think this matters, but it sure as hell does.

You know what's the cause for the better DRtG as a team? This:

Last season:

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This season:

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a) We haven't played as many lineups that have totally faltered defensively like they did last year after Roberson's injury. But hey, now suddenly Corey Brewer isn't our savior. He sure was last season according to you though. Well, everybody is unless he isn't and then it's onto the next one. As long as it's not Roberson.

b) The team's defense stays elite with the bench on the floor.

hardenASG13 wrote:except on offense where they aren't playing 4 on 5 anymore and have room to operate.


Are you trying to tell me that the guy who

-is scoring less than Roberson on more shots
-is shooting 30.1 % from 3
-is not taking any shots but 3s and direct attempts at the rim and is still horribly ineffcient because of it
-has the fifth lowest usg% in the league among those with at least 400 mp

Is somehow this guy who has "freed up" our offense? I'm not going after Ferguson here because he has played really well compared to what he showed last season, but I can't let this nonsense stand. It's always the same...I don't even know what to call it.
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Post#2073 » by spearsy23 » Tue Jan 1, 2019 4:18 pm

This has been rehashed so many times. Your dumb takes aren't somehow validated by a different team playing well without Roberson.
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Post#2074 » by spearsy23 » Tue Jan 1, 2019 4:35 pm

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ThunderBolt wrote:

Yea they may ask one question and then they accept whatever canned response they get from Donovan or whoever they ask. This should absolutely be a story. Even if they don't know whats going on by reporting on the fact that he's reportedly missing it force's the thunders hand to offer more information.

Eh, I kinda respect the idea that personal issues are the player's private info. I wish they'd dig deeper on basketball issues, but if the org says personal matter and won't disclose more then let it be.


Being able to make a player just disappear for weeks at a time and cover it up with "illness" or "personal reasons" is something they could easily abuse to cover up information that might make them look bad. Remember when McGary was gone for several weeks and they just said personal reasons? And then he eventually fails the umpteenth drug test of his career and he's off the roster in short order in the ensuing offseason? Seems pretty clear he had some sort of substance abuse disorder. Did the team try to help him with that? Does an organization owe a responsibility to a player in that situation? I don't know, but it's a conversation worth having that never was had.

Does it really matter though? The truth comes out eventually like it did with McGary.
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Post#2075 » by ThunderBolt » Tue Jan 1, 2019 4:36 pm

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hardenASG13 wrote:
Yep, he's right where he should be. The second unit is so good this year. Even ferg has found his confidence. I wonder how long it will be before this board admits Schroeder is an awesome return for melo, too. Oh and 1 more thing. It's crazy how the team isn't missing Roberson, with competent replacements (Schroeder, abrines, diallo, ferguson), as opposed to **** abrines last year and Corey brewer.......they look great!


you must be a glutton for punishment. the team isn't missing andre roberson? lol. ok. we'll take another look at this down the line, because tbh you and many others said the same thing when waiters started, when brewer started, and basically any time 'dre gets hurt and some flash in the pan streak occurs. you can't like.. pound your chest on this one when you were wrong every other time.

i can't speak for anyone else, but for me it takes a long time and a lot of evidence to support an extraordinary subversion such as dennis schroder being a good player, or the thunder are an elite defense without andre roberson. it should for anyone imo who doesn't want to be reactionary, but i think you're too emotional.


Ok bros (I say bros to include your whole Roberson posse.....pillendreher (the guy who like 15-20 games into the season still was trying to use stats to say patterson was better than grant, saying grant was the worst fit possible in today's NBA at pf (he's the perfect role player), "thunderbolt", bondom, spearsy, etc.), let's "take another look".

It's nearly halfway through the season. Roberson hasn't played a minute. The team is a game out of first in the west. Best defensive rating in the league. Where are they missing Roberson exactly? You guys had your moment when Corey brewer, huestis, and abrines couldn't cut it (a really small, thrown together sample, btw). But as I told you, for years, all the stats you lived by with Roberson were a joke.

The team played a guy who couldn't shoot at all for 30mpg at st, in a league where almost all the good teams (gsw, houston, lebrons cavs) thrive because they are loaded with shooting, not individual defenders. That's because, as I've told you, repeatedly, one individual defender, a perimeter defender, doesn't have nearly as much value on a team as you all constantly argued he did. That is why no other team uses them like okc used Roberson. Elite offense beats elite defense one on one, and has throughout the history of the game (that's why stars produce regardless of who guards them)

Defense is a team thing. Grant getting more minutes, combined with Ferguson being able to stay in front of guys have made Robersons absence completely unnoticeable, except on offense where they aren't playing 4 on 5 anymore and have room to operate. Why would this team, or any, need Roberson? Where has he been missed?

He has been easily replaced, and the team is really good, despite Westbrooks struggles ( funny how you all advocate for big samples, then kill Russ for struggling for 30 games, where he missed all of training camp (he's gonna get it going, maybe not his old self, but better than this, guys). The defense hasn't fallen apart, like you all always said it would (again, top rated defense in the league).

Deny it if you want, but one of the main 'cat's' kd was referring to not being able to win with was Roberson. Playing a dude who can't shoot or dribble on the perimeter for 30 mpg makes 0 sense. As this season is proving, it is completely unnecessary to do so as defense is a team thing. That's why nobody else does it. It's a major part of why KD left imo. The okc media did a great job selling his value (as they did with Perkins before him). You all bought it. This season without him is simply speaking for itself. Oh and before you speak to them having had such an easy schedule, I'm pretty sure Roberson was playing against the same exact teams all these years too.....go thunder!


Multiple people have given credit to grant and validated your opinion on him. There really isn't any need to bring it up yet again.
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Post#2076 » by Dadouv47 » Tue Jan 1, 2019 4:45 pm

Roberson has a huge impact against elite teams. If you play the Rockets or the Warriors in the playoffs, you need to have him defending their best offensive players. PG13 won't be able to defend 40+ minutes against Harden while being effective on offense.
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Post#2077 » by Kizz Fastfists » Tue Jan 1, 2019 4:51 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:It's nearly halfway through the season. Roberson hasn't played a minute. The team is a game out of first in the west. Best defensive rating in the league. Where are they missing Roberson exactly? You guys had your moment when Corey brewer, huestis, and abrines couldn't cut it (a really small, thrown together sample, btw). But as I told you, for years, all the stats you lived by with Roberson were a joke.


OKC has played the easiest schedule in the NBA this season. ESPN's statistical ranking, RPI, has OKC 11th in the West. OKC has a very hard schedule the rest of the season. They are about to really miss Roberson. OKC is 9-1 against the teams tanking for Zion, or at least bad enough I'm giving them credit for tanking and not call them inept franchises, and 14-13 against teams trying to make the playoffs. They only have two more games against teams chasing Zion. OKC is very likely to have a sub .500 record the rest of the season. If they just play .500 ball the rest of the way I'll consider it a very good outcome.
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Post#2078 » by Dn4sty » Tue Jan 1, 2019 5:07 pm

spearsy23 wrote:
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spearsy23 wrote:Eh, I kinda respect the idea that personal issues are the player's private info. I wish they'd dig deeper on basketball issues, but if the org says personal matter and won't disclose more then let it be.


Being able to make a player just disappear for weeks at a time and cover it up with "illness" or "personal reasons" is something they could easily abuse to cover up information that might make them look bad. Remember when McGary was gone for several weeks and they just said personal reasons? And then he eventually fails the umpteenth drug test of his career and he's off the roster in short order in the ensuing offseason? Seems pretty clear he had some sort of substance abuse disorder. Did the team try to help him with that? Does an organization owe a responsibility to a player in that situation? I don't know, but it's a conversation worth having that never was had.

Does it really matter though? The truth comes out eventually like it did with McGary.


I doubt it’s anything negative (drug stuff, etc... with Abrines). I do wish we knew, but I can respect not having everyone’s personal life’s dragged into the public.
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Post#2079 » by thekaoswithin » Tue Jan 1, 2019 5:07 pm

getrichordie wrote:
RalphSampsonJr wrote:Whats going on?!

Russ plays like an ass, We write down our frustrations now Dom doesnt want to hear it which means we are all the cause of this thread to go to ****?

Im seen this forum worse than it is atm and i havent been on here that long.


I’m with Ralph on this one. This has been the main issue for me. I don’t care if anyone has opposing tales or views. If I disagree or they disagree, that’s where a discussion/debate can be had.

The issue starts when some (Bondom) think their take/opinion is better than others and respond to other’s comments in a very condescending manner. It’s narcissism at it’s very core.

Bondom thinks he’s better than us and that his opinion is more valuable and he operates as such. This becomes obvious when you read his posts. And it’s facilitated to some degree by other older members on this board. Bondom has his little “clique” and anyone who’s not in it or disagrees with that clique is treated as a second-class member, which is honestly annoying to newer members of the board.

This behavior is unacceptable and is harmful to the harmony of this board. And this is the last I will speak of it and the only reason I speak of it now is because Mr. Andre Roberstan has made it a point that this needs to stop.

If you don’t like what’s being talked about, no one is asking for your opinion. You don’t have to post here. Hell, put all of us “simpletons” on ignore if it makes you feel better about the board. But don’t condescend to others to make yourself better. It’s sad and annoying.

I accept my role in fostering this as well. I’m not innocent. In fact, sometimes I enjoy triggering Bondom because it’s so easy. But someone has to call this crap out. Bondom is just one member of this board out of many and should behave as such.


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You claimed multiple, multiple times that Phoenix would trade Booker so that they could get Schroder and rebuild their team.

How do you expect to be taken seriously after that kind of take?

Don't even get me started on your whole 'Beal to OKC dominos are falling' conspiracy.
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Re: 2018-2019 OKC Thunder Regular Season Pt 1: A Renewed Hope 

Post#2080 » by hardenASG13 » Tue Jan 1, 2019 5:13 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:he's the perfect role player


He's what?! :lol: I stand by my Grant takes. He's played better than expected, but the main issues are still there. His 3pt shooting has been hot garbage lately. We'll see if he is regressing to his career average or to a respectable number. Teams still prefer to pack the paint over sticking with Grant spotting up. He still can't set a proper screen.

He's been doing a lot with what he's been given and I'm glad for that. But I'm not going to fall over backwards because of it. I hope he keeps it up, but I'm also not opposed to finding somebody who's a better fit. Grant has had to work around the edges a lot because the fit isn't what it should be.

hardenASG13 wrote:It's nearly halfway through the season. Roberson hasn't played a minute. The team is a game out of first in the west. Best defensive rating in the league. Where are they missing Roberson exactly?


Right here, you dolt:

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You might not think this matters, but it sure as hell does.

You know what's the cause for the better DRtG as a team? This:

Last season:

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This season:

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a) We haven't played as many lineups that have totally faltered defensively like they did last year after Roberson's injury. But hey, now suddenly Corey Brewer isn't our savior. He sure was last season according to you though. Well, everybody is unless he isn't and then it's onto the next one. As long as it's not Roberson.

b) The team's defense stays elite with the bench on the floor.

hardenASG13 wrote:except on offense where they aren't playing 4 on 5 anymore and have room to operate.


Are you trying to tell me that the guy who

-is scoring less than Roberson on more shots
-is shooting 30.1 % from 3
-is not taking any shots but 3s and direct attempts at the rim and is still horribly ineffcient because of it
-has the fifth lowest usg% in the league among those with at least 400 mp

Is somehow this guy who has "freed up" our offense? I'm not going after Ferguson here because he has played really well compared to what he showed last season, but I can't let this nonsense stand. It's always the same...I don't even know what to call it.


:lol: grant is a great fit at power forward, any team would be glad to have him in their rotation. Fatterson tho......that 38% isn't cutting it.

You can't gloat how much better he was than brewer (out of the league), but ignore they still have the best defense in the league without him. Youre simply ignoring the fact that you don't like.

The offense is freed up because all 5 guys are now guarded by the defense, and demand a closeout, a concept that if you don't get you probably never will.

Oh so adams and George with Roberson had a better rating than with Ferguson huh. Wow do I feel like a dolt! They are still very good with Ferguson. It hasn't (negatively) effected wins and losses. Ferguson also isn't very good, and wouldn't be getting much if any minutes on any other playoff team.

And to your adams point.....yes Noel is an adequate backup center. He was available for nothing. Has nothing to do with Roberson.

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