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Post#2081 » by Old Man Game » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:25 pm

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what does okc owe westbrook?


Jack and ****. Just trade him to whomever. We've already 'done right' by him etc. by giving him that contract.

The organization has always tried to be player friendly. Especially with a guy like Westbrook they will attempt to do whatever is best for him.


They have tried that and ya know, I'm still waiting for the payoff. At this point I have to wonder if we've been accommodating to a fault.
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Post#2082 » by Dadouv47 » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:26 pm

real question is : another sources (except Shams) saying Westbrook is unhappy in OKC?

Shams is legit but...
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Re: Thunder Offseason Thread 

Post#2083 » by ThunderBolt » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:27 pm

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Read on Twitter
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Ibaka could actually end up being the worst player involved here not counting picks.

And then there's the Reggie Jackson one...
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Re: Thunder Offseason Thread 

Post#2084 » by spearsy23 » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:27 pm

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Jack and ****. Just trade him to whomever. We've already 'done right' by him etc. by giving him that contract.

The organization has always tried to be player friendly. Especially with a guy like Westbrook they will attempt to do whatever is best for him.


They have tried that and ya know, I'm still waiting for the payoff. At this point I have to wonder if we've been accommodating to a fault.

The payoff has been hundreds of wins, two Superstars re-signing, and a boatload of draft picks.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#2085 » by Jstock12 » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:28 pm

thor19 wrote:Problem with picks is that you need to pick the right guy if not we ger sga and gallinari for pg13


Yeah. Quite easy to end up with a bunch of Perry Joneses on the roster.
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Post#2086 » by slick_watts » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:28 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:real question is : another sources (except Shams) saying Westbrook is unhappy in OKC?

Shams is legit but...


westbrook can't take personal accountability for his failures so i'm sure he thinks that getting embarrassed in consecutive playoff series is somehow the team's fault.
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Post#2087 » by Old Man Game » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:28 pm

Oh yeah, George is coming off 2 shoulder surgeries. That makes this haul look even better in a sense. LAC doesn't really know what his rehab looks like (we presume good but still). If the reporting is to be believed Leonard (who is not an orthopedic surgeon FWTW) engineered this whole thing and basically had Steve Balmer over a barrel.

I'll root for PG personally, but obviously if those shoulders are never quite right again, it's to our benefit with all these picks. Just sayin'
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Post#2088 » by Dadouv47 » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:28 pm

I really don't know how a deal with the Lakers would work. And not sure the lakers FO would do it. But think Lebron and AD would be happy about this (and Westbrook as well). I hope we can make this work because I'm still rooting for Westbrook no matter what. Yes he's old, overpaid and has bad knees but he always gave 100% to our franchise.
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Post#2089 » by spearsy23 » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:29 pm

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Read on Twitter
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Ibaka could actually end up being the worst player involved here not counting picks.

And then there's the Reggie Jackson one...

The one that goes Reggie Jackson -> Kanter -> Melo -> Reggie Jackson?
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#2090 » by acheema0 » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:30 pm

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acheema0 wrote:Wow. This is kind of cool. Better than maintaining the status quo. I never thought Presti would do it but it doesn't seem like it was his choice. I hope they go full rebuild. Also I love Shai-Gilgeous Alexander. I think I'm just rambling but like this is fun.


i think if the clippers came to sam with this offer without paul george having requested the trade, it would have been done. he didn't want to rebuild (yet), but you can't refuse this package seeing where the team is and their tax situation and no routes to get much better.


I can't believe they got this much for him. More than AD! That's amazing. I just hope they actually rebuild and don't try to run this team out. Hold onto Gallo till the deadline (hope he stays healthy) and wait on Steve till he's an expiring.

I don't know what a Russ trade would look like. Miami seems like a no bc we have their picks. Maybe Orlando for Fultz Mozgov Isaac and a pick or two? Something to the knicks (in December once they can trade all these free agents). Charlotte maybe?
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Post#2091 » by Old Man Game » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:30 pm

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spearsy23 wrote:The organization has always tried to be player friendly. Especially with a guy like Westbrook they will attempt to do whatever is best for him.


They have tried that and ya know, I'm still waiting for the payoff. At this point I have to wonder if we've been accommodating to a fault.

The payoff has been hundreds of wins, two Superstars re-signing, and a boatload of draft picks.


Those are things that happened. But it's a correlation. No evidence that they happened specifically because we were deferential to superstars in stuff like trade negotiations. If you can point to reporting to that effect I'd be interested to see it.
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Re: Thunder Offseason Thread 

Post#2092 » by Dadouv47 » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:30 pm

slick_watts wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:real question is : another sources (except Shams) saying Westbrook is unhappy in OKC?

Shams is legit but...


westbrook can't take personal accountability for his failures so i'm sure he thinks that getting embarrassed in consecutive playoff series is somehow the team's fault.


PG13 not blaming Westbrook at all but yes we should blame Westbrook.

We have 5 first round picks and SGA thanks to him. Otherwise PG13 would be a laker for a year now.
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Post#2093 » by Pillendreher » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:30 pm

spearsy23 wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:
Read on Twitter
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Ibaka could actually end up being the worst player involved here not counting picks.

And then there's the Reggie Jackson one...

The one that goes Reggie Jackson -> Kanter -> Melo -> Reggie Jackson?


Two separate trades. Jackson was Augustin+Singler, Perk+Pick was Kanter.
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Post#2094 » by ThunderBolt » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:31 pm

Here's the thing with Russ. Has he been good for okc? Absolutely. I'll never fault a player for taking the money that offered to him. However if he had taken less we could have done more to build the team. I do believe Russ wants to win but does he only want to win and nothing else? I don't think so. Winning is important but so are triple doubles, money, fashion and other things. Russ' life doesn't necessarily fall apart if he's not traded to a contender.
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Re: Thunder Offseason Thread 

Post#2095 » by Dadouv47 » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:31 pm

acheema0 wrote:
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acheema0 wrote:Wow. This is kind of cool. Better than maintaining the status quo. I never thought Presti would do it but it doesn't seem like it was his choice. I hope they go full rebuild. Also I love Shai-Gilgeous Alexander. I think I'm just rambling but like this is fun.


i think if the clippers came to sam with this offer without paul george having requested the trade, it would have been done. he didn't want to rebuild (yet), but you can't refuse this package seeing where the team is and their tax situation and no routes to get much better.


I can't believe they got this much for him. More than AD! That's amazing. I just hope they actually rebuild and don't try to run this team out. Hold onto Gallo till the deadline (hope he stays healthy) and wait on Steve till he's an expiring.

I don't know what a Russ trade would look like. Miami seems like a no bc we have their picks. Maybe Orlando for Fultz Mozgov Isaac and a pick or two? Something to the knicks (in December once they can trade all these free agents). Charlotte maybe?


Not really more than AD. Pelicans got the 4th pick. We don't know what we will end up getting. Lonzo, Ingram, Hart are not great but we will see.
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Post#2096 » by spearsy23 » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:31 pm

Old Man Game wrote:Oh yeah, George is coming off 2 shoulder surgeries. That makes this haul look even better in a sense. LAC doesn't really know what his rehab looks like (we presume good but still). If the reporting is to be believed Leonard (who is not an orthopedic surgeon FWTW) engineered this whole thing and basically had Steve Balmer over a barrel.

I'll root for PG personally, but obviously if those shoulders are never quite right again, it's to our benefit with all these picks. Just sayin'

Even without the surgeries he likely has his career year this past season and wasnt going to be that player again. I'm a little concerned about the clippers lack of playmaking. Lou will may be their x factor.
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Re: Thunder Offseason Thread 

Post#2097 » by slick_watts » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:32 pm

Old Man Game wrote:Oh yeah, George is coming off 2 shoulder surgeries. That makes this haul look even better in a sense. LAC doesn't really know what his rehab looks like (we presume good but still). If the reporting is to be believed Leonard (who is not an orthopedic surgeon FWTW) engineered this whole thing and basically had Steve Balmer over a barrel.

I'll root for PG personally, but obviously if those shoulders are never quite right again, it's to our benefit with all these picks. Just sayin'


is it likely that paul george peaked last year? probably.
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Re: Thunder Offseason Thread 

Post#2098 » by Old Man Game » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:32 pm

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thor19 wrote:Problem with picks is that you need to pick the right guy if not we ger sga and gallinari for pg13


Yeah. Quite easy to end up with a bunch of Perry Joneses on the roster.


That's why getting 5 of them is a big deal. Room for error.
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Post#2099 » by spearsy23 » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:33 pm

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ThunderBolt wrote:And then there's the Reggie Jackson one...

The one that goes Reggie Jackson -> Kanter -> Melo -> Reggie Jackson?


Two separate trades. Jackson was Augustin+Singler, Perk+Pick was Kanter.

Oh god, not this again.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Re: Thunder Offseason Thread 

Post#2100 » by Dadouv47 » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:33 pm

Westbrook may have more trade value next year. Presti may be concerned as well to trade our 2 stars in a matter of days. But if Westbrook ask for a trade and some team is willing to do it...

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