OKC Thunder Trades and Transaction Thread

[Xatticus]

wow the mavs really wanted doncic gone

in a league where markkanen warrants 5 frps, the only way i see this trade is that the mavs really wanted him out

tbh they looked a little bit better without doncic, maybe im tripping

I don't blame the Mavs for trying to trade Doncic but damn they could have gotten so much more.

This is the issue. There is a general fear of making these sorts of transactions because it puts crosshairs on you, so GMs hang on to players that aren't really taking them anywhere. I don't have an issue with them deciding to move on from Doncic, the problem is that the trade was so poorly executed. Half of the league's teams are desperate to add someone to carry their offenses and they settled for the twilight years of a player that has struggled to stay healthy throughout his career and a single draft pick without even entertaining offers from other organizations. This is inexcusable.

I'd lay all the blame on the incompetence of Harrison, but surely Cuban signed off on this. I'm sure there was quite a bit of turmoil behind the scenes and it's possible that we have already seen the best of Doncic, but they could've pillaged the entire asset collection from another organization and instead they handed Doncic to LAL on a silver platter.

[Kizz Fastfists]

This is the issue. There is a general fear of making these sorts of transactions because it puts crosshairs on you, so GMs hang on to players that aren't really taking them anywhere. I don't have an issue with them deciding to move on from Doncic, the problem is that the trade was so poorly executed. Half of the league's teams are desperate to add someone to carry their offenses and they settled for the twilight years of a player that has struggled to stay healthy throughout his career and a single draft pick without even entertaining offers from other organizations. This is inexcusable.

They didn't want assets they wanted a win now superstar. They were in the Finals last year and two years before that they were in the WCF. So it's hard to argue against the results Dallas has been getting. What player do you think they could have gotten that you'd say is comparable to AD? They probably could have gotten Jimmy Butler, but that's an older, declining problematic player. Maybe Phoenix would have given them KD, but again you are talking about a player 5 years older than AD. Dallas clearly wanted to change their dynamic and get bigger. AD does that for them. Rather it makes them better this year is something that we will see.

[Devilanche]

I'd lay all the blame on the incompetence of Harrison, but surely Cuban signed off on this. I'm sure there was quite a bit of turmoil behind the scenes and it's possible that we have already seen the best of Doncic, but they could've pillaged the entire asset collection from another organization and instead they handed Doncic to LAL on a silver platter.

Ownership definitely signed off on this but Cuban is no longer involved it seemed .

[Devilanche]

This is the issue. There is a general fear of making these sorts of transactions because it puts crosshairs on you, so GMs hang on to players that aren't really taking them anywhere. I don't have an issue with them deciding to move on from Doncic, the problem is that the trade was so poorly executed. Half of the league's teams are desperate to add someone to carry their offenses and they settled for the twilight years of a player that has struggled to stay healthy throughout his career and a single draft pick without even entertaining offers from other organizations. This is inexcusable.

They didn't want assets they wanted a win now superstar. They were in the Finals last year and two years before that they were in the WCF. So it's hard to argue against the results Dallas has been getting. What player do you think they could have gotten that you'd say is comparable to AD? They probably could have gotten Jimmy Butler, but that's an older, declining problematic player. Maybe Phoenix would have given them KD, but again you are talking about a player 5 years older than AD. Dallas clearly wanted to change their dynamic and get bigger. AD does that for them. Rather it makes them better this year is something that we will see.

Knecht, future first , pick swaps .

All those could have been obtained to make the trade less bad.
Probably could have forced lakers to trade some asset for 1-2 more picks too.

[Xatticus]

This is the issue. There is a general fear of making these sorts of transactions because it puts crosshairs on you, so GMs hang on to players that aren't really taking them anywhere. I don't have an issue with them deciding to move on from Doncic, the problem is that the trade was so poorly executed. Half of the league's teams are desperate to add someone to carry their offenses and they settled for the twilight years of a player that has struggled to stay healthy throughout his career and a single draft pick without even entertaining offers from other organizations. This is inexcusable.

They didn't want assets they wanted a win now superstar. They were in the Finals last year and two years before that they were in the WCF. So it's hard to argue against the results Dallas has been getting. What player do you think they could have gotten that you'd say is comparable to AD? They probably could have gotten Jimmy Butler, but that's an older, declining problematic player. Maybe Phoenix would have given them KD, but again you are talking about a player 5 years older than AD. Dallas clearly wanted to change their dynamic and get bigger. AD does that for them. Rather it makes them better this year is something that we will see.

This is not a win-now move. If that was the motivating factor, then they wouldn't have traded away the player that carried them through those playoff runs. Luke Doncic has 25 playoff wins under his belt. At the same age, Anthony Davis had 5 playoff wins.

The world will never know what players would have been available as the world was not informed of his availability until after the trade was consummated, but my guess would be that the list of players that they couldn't have acquired in return for Doncic wouldn't have been very long.

Doncic has yet to enter his prime. Anthony Davis' prime is behind him. The Mavs didn't make Doncic available. They called up LAL and forced a deal through. This whole ordeal makes no sense at all. There is either some sort of collusion going on here, or Nico Harrison is a moron. I have no issues if the organization reached the conclusion that they had to move on from Doncic. How they handled his departure is absolutely indefensible.

[Mr Thunder Nick]

Now with D.Fox in San Antonio, CP3's role will change. What about a comeback in OKC to finish the season and finally get a ring. We could use him as mentor, motivator and backup player. OK the Spurs had to waive him and we will take the rest of his contract till summer.

[bbms]

This is the issue. There is a general fear of making these sorts of transactions because it puts crosshairs on you, so GMs hang on to players that aren't really taking them anywhere. I don't have an issue with them deciding to move on from Doncic, the problem is that the trade was so poorly executed. Half of the league's teams are desperate to add someone to carry their offenses and they settled for the twilight years of a player that has struggled to stay healthy throughout his career and a single draft pick without even entertaining offers from other organizations. This is inexcusable.

They didn't want assets they wanted a win now superstar. They were in the Finals last year and two years before that they were in the WCF. So it's hard to argue against the results Dallas has been getting. What player do you think they could have gotten that you'd say is comparable to AD? They probably could have gotten Jimmy Butler, but that's an older, declining problematic player. Maybe Phoenix would have given them KD, but again you are talking about a player 5 years older than AD. Dallas clearly wanted to change their dynamic and get bigger. AD does that for them. Rather it makes them better this year is something that we will see.

This is not a win-now move. If that was the motivating factor, then they wouldn't have traded away the player that carried them through those playoff runs. Luke Doncic has 25 playoff wins under his belt. At the same age, Anthony Davis had 5 playoff wins.

The world will never know what players would have been available as the world was not informed of his availability until after the trade was consummated, but my guess would be that the list of players that they couldn't have acquired in return for Doncic wouldn't have been very long.

Doncic has yet to enter his prime. Anthony Davis' prime is behind him. The Mavs didn't make Doncic available. They called up LAL and forced a deal through. This whole ordeal makes no sense at all. There is either some sort of collusion going on here, or Nico Harrison is a moron. I have no issues if the organization reached the conclusion that they had to move on from Doncic. How they handled his departure is absolutely indefensible.

this move is a tectonic shift. it cannot be viewed as moronic.

also there's no way this is a championship move. players like kyrie bought in for luka. ticket sales are driven by luka. if the club is not deflated, the city is. they won't have the energy to fight for it.

[cjmcallist]

I can't believe it. Surely Presti would've paid a ransom for Luka.

Dallas wanted the superstar coming back, which they got in AD. OKC would have had to give up JDub and Chet just to get the talks going with what Dallas was trying to do. Dallas might not have considered that enough star power. Does Presti do that? You would be looking at something like Chet, JDub and IH for Luka and Lively to get the salaries to work and try to give Dallas the star power they wanted in return. As good as Luka is, I wouldn't have wanted to hand Dallas JDub and Chet and have to go against that duo for the next decade unless I believe Chet is going to be out of the NBA due to injuries soon. If Presti believes that I expect Chet will get moved in the off-season after he hopefully has a healthy and highly productive playoff run.

The option is SGA for Luka. Would you do that?

No, I would not have done JDub + Chet.
No, I would not do SGA for Luka.

I might have done Hartenstein and Jdub as the starting point for Luka. But I'd have to think a bit more on it.

[Dadouv47]

I can't believe it. Surely Presti would've paid a ransom for Luka.

Dallas wanted the superstar coming back, which they got in AD. OKC would have had to give up JDub and Chet just to get the talks going with what Dallas was trying to do. Dallas might not have considered that enough star power. Does Presti do that? You would be looking at something like Chet, JDub and IH for Luka and Lively to get the salaries to work and try to give Dallas the star power they wanted in return. As good as Luka is, I wouldn't have wanted to hand Dallas JDub and Chet and have to go against that duo for the next decade unless I believe Chet is going to be out of the NBA due to injuries soon. If Presti believes that I expect Chet will get moved in the off-season after he hopefully has a healthy and highly productive playoff run.

The option is SGA for Luka. Would you do that?

No, I would not have done JDub + Chet.
No, I would not do SGA for Luka.

I might have done Hartenstein and Jdub as the starting point for Luka. But I'd have to think a bit more on it.

in a vacuum me too but I don't know how we can pay Chet and other players while having two guys under supermax / max contracts.

[Devilanche]

Now with D.Fox in San Antonio, CP3's role will change. What about a comeback in OKC to finish the season and finally get a ring. We could use him as mentor, motivator and backup player. OK the Spurs had to waive him and we will take the rest of his contract till summer.

No way he’s waived.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Now with D.Fox in San Antonio, CP3's role will change. What about a comeback in OKC to finish the season and finally get a ring. We could use him as mentor, motivator and backup player. OK the Spurs had to waive him and we will take the rest of his contract till summer.

No way he’s waived.

I'm not even sure they would entertain trading CP3 at this point. At least not in a move for pick(s) and filler. Maybe for Wiggins to improve their guard options. CP3 for Wiggins is interesting in theory. It solves OKC's issues for another ballhandler this season, but I'm not sure how much it would improve OKC, if at all, given Caruso can't be counted on to stay healthy.

[Dadouv47]

Now with D.Fox in San Antonio, CP3's role will change. What about a comeback in OKC to finish the season and finally get a ring. We could use him as mentor, motivator and backup player. OK the Spurs had to waive him and we will take the rest of his contract till summer.

No way he’s waived.

I'm not even sure they would entertain trading CP3 at this point. At least not in a move for pick(s) and filler. Maybe for Wiggins to improve their guard options. CP3 for Wiggins is interesting in theory. It solves OKC's issues for another ballhandler this season, but I'm not sure how much it would improve OKC, if at all, given Caruso can't be counted on to stay healthy.

Wiggins is just too good of a role player under a great contract. I wouldn't trade him except in a package for a major major upgrade.
Having him and Joe to a lesser extent are why this team is gonna afford keeping so many players under bigger contracts. I don't even think CP3 is such a difference maker anymore in his career despite the fact that I still like him a lot so it doesn't make any sense to me.

I would rather trade Kenrich if we have to get rid of one of Wiggins/Joe/Kenrich. He brings less value on the floor, is older and is starting to have more injury issues.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Wiggins is just too good of a role player under a great contract. I wouldn't trade him except in a package for a major major upgrade.
Having him and Joe to a lesser extent are why this team is gonna afford keeping so many players under bigger contracts. I don't even think CP3 is such a difference maker anymore in his career despite the fact that I still like him a lot so it doesn't make any sense to me.

I would rather trade Kenrich if we have to get rid of one of Wiggins/Joe/Kenrich. He brings less value on the floor, is older and is starting to have more injury issues.

I definitely would rather give up Kenrich. I was looking at it from a Spurs view point and I don't think they would move CP3 for Kenrich. I'm not saying OKC should move Wiggins for CP3, but I don't think the Spurs would trade him for less. I could be wrong and they might value picks more. If the Spurs intend on trying to make the playoffs this year, which adding Fox makes that possible, I think they would prefer to keep CP3 unless they think the move helps their roster construction both short-term and long-term. I could be wrong, but trading for Fox and then going backwards seems unlikely to me. If there is another player on the market that fits the Spurs timeline and goals they do have some big salaries to move and still have ATL's unprotected pick this year which gained value with Jalen Johnson going down for the season.

[Thabo Sefolosha]

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[Devilanche]

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Championship move . Improve the team at the margins.

[Dadouv47]

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First step before Jokic trade to OKC?

Seriously though, Why would we want a denver pick instead of a Suns pick?

That was a fun deadline from OKC perspective!

[Dadouv47]

I still want us to make a move (without trading guys like Wiggins or Joe) but Presti's has a terrible in season trades record...Kanter, Kyle Singler, Hayward and some terrible PG vets.

[Devilanche]

I still want us to make a move (without trading guys like Wiggins or Joe) but Presti's has a terrible in season trades record...Kanter, Kyle Singler, Hayward and some terrible PG vets.

With how well we have perform , whoever coming in is probably going to underwhelm.

[Mr Thunder Nick]

Wiggins is just too good of a role player under a great contract. I wouldn't trade him except in a package for a major major upgrade.
Having him and Joe to a lesser extent are why this team is gonna afford keeping so many players under bigger contracts. I don't even think CP3 is such a difference maker anymore in his career despite the fact that I still like him a lot so it doesn't make any sense to me.

I would rather trade Kenrich if we have to get rid of one of Wiggins/Joe/Kenrich. He brings less value on the floor, is older and is starting to have more injury issues.

I definitely would rather give up Kenrich. I was looking at it from a Spurs view point and I don't think they would move CP3 for Kenrich. I'm not saying OKC should move Wiggins for CP3, but I don't think the Spurs would trade him for less. I could be wrong and they might value picks more. If the Spurs intend on trying to make the playoffs this year, which adding Fox makes that possible, I think they would prefer to keep CP3 unless they think the move helps their roster construction both short-term and long-term. I could be wrong, but trading for Fox and then going backwards seems unlikely to me. If there is another player on the market that fits the Spurs timeline and goals they do have some big salaries to move and still have ATL's unprotected pick this year which gained value with Jalen Johnson going down for the season.

I see Fox as a future asset for the Spurs to make a combo with Wemby. If CP3 would ask to go to the Thunder to get his last chance for a ring, I think the both franchises would find a way to get it done. (Why not by waiving Paul)

[Dadouv47]

Wiggins is just too good of a role player under a great contract. I wouldn't trade him except in a package for a major major upgrade.
Having him and Joe to a lesser extent are why this team is gonna afford keeping so many players under bigger contracts. I don't even think CP3 is such a difference maker anymore in his career despite the fact that I still like him a lot so it doesn't make any sense to me.

I would rather trade Kenrich if we have to get rid of one of Wiggins/Joe/Kenrich. He brings less value on the floor, is older and is starting to have more injury issues.

I definitely would rather give up Kenrich. I was looking at it from a Spurs view point and I don't think they would move CP3 for Kenrich. I'm not saying OKC should move Wiggins for CP3, but I don't think the Spurs would trade him for less. I could be wrong and they might value picks more. If the Spurs intend on trying to make the playoffs this year, which adding Fox makes that possible, I think they would prefer to keep CP3 unless they think the move helps their roster construction both short-term and long-term. I could be wrong, but trading for Fox and then going backwards seems unlikely to me. If there is another player on the market that fits the Spurs timeline and goals they do have some big salaries to move and still have ATL's unprotected pick this year which gained value with Jalen Johnson going down for the season.

I see Fox as a future asset for the Spurs to make a combo with Wemby. If CP3 would ask to go to the Thunder to get his last chance for a ring, I think the both franchises would find a way to get it done. (Why not by waiving Paul)

fair but if CP3 was ring chasing in the first place, he wouldn't have gone to the Spurs.