OKC Thunder Offseason 2017: The Reshapening

Pillendreher · Post #2381 » by **Pillendreher** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 7:17 am

getrichordie wrote:

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Not necessarily. It could also just mean they know they're not getting out of Kanter's deal.

Pillendreher · Post #2382 » by **Pillendreher** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 7:17 am

Spectacular signing. I thought he might get 3x that.

Post #2383 » by **retrobro90** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 9:05 am

Have we talked about Brad Wanamaker as a potential candidate for our backup pg spot? I think he's trying to make the NBA next season. Played with Zizic last year in turkey. 27 years old, 6'4" and from what I can tell pretty good scoring off the bounce. Here's some of his highlights from last season. [url]

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Pillendreher · Post #2384 » by **Pillendreher** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 9:30 am

On a related note: Isn't it interesting what kind of moves Presti is suddenly able to make with Russ telling him to form a contender before comitting? Hmmm...

Pillendreher · Post #2385 » by **Pillendreher** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 9:57 am

Regarding Smart:

Guards over the first 3 years with at least 1500 FGA in the 3 point era: Smart with the worst FG% and it's not even close:

http://bkref.com/tiny/MuLhR

Post #2386 » by **ThunderBolt** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 11:15 am

How concerned should we be about his knee injury? A lot of raptors fan think he's no longer the player he was a few years ago.

spearsy23 · Post #2387 » by **spearsy23** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 11:36 am

Pillendreher wrote:Regarding Smart:

Guards over the first 3 years with at least 1500 FGA in the 3 point era: Smart with the worst FG% and it's not even close:

http://bkref.com/tiny/MuLhR

Ts puts him in 20th percentile. Efg 10th. He was 20th in rpm among point guards last year. You're judging fish by their ability to climb trees here.

Biggest selling point is that you have to have a curry defender in the 2nd unit since golden state can stagger curry/cupcake. Ideally you'd have someone who can hang with cupcake as well. Oh hey, Rudy Gay is 8th among sf's in rpm... Damn it enes.

spearsy23 · Post #2388 » by **spearsy23** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 11:39 am

Knrstz wrote:How concerned should we be about his knee injury? A lot of raptors fan think he's no longer the player he was a few years ago.

I don't care about who he was 3 years ago, I care about if he can hit three's and defend better than the other power forwards on our roster.

Pillendreher · Post #2389 » by **Pillendreher** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 11:48 am

spearsy23 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:Regarding Smart:

Guards over the first 3 years with at least 1500 FGA in the 3 point era: Smart with the worst FG% and it's not even close:

http://bkref.com/tiny/MuLhR

Ts puts him in 20th percentile. Efg 10th. He was 20th in rpm among point guards last year. You're judging fish by their ability to climb trees here.

Sure, his FT shooting helps a lot, but that doesn't change the fact that Smart is one of the worst players in the league at making shots.

But like you've already mentioned, this doesn't seem to affect his offensive impact all that much:

OBPM -1.1
ORPM +0.26
ORAPM -0.2

This I don't get tbh. One would think his offensive impact stats would be brutal. :-?

spearsy23 wrote:Biggest selling point is that you have to have a curry defender in the 2nd unit since golden state can stagger curry/cupcake. Ideally you'd have someone who can hang with cupcake as well. Oh hey, Rudy Gay is 8th among sf's in rpm... Damn it enes.

James Ennis III.

Or maybe he can still fool the Kings into taking Kanter or somebody else, but I sure as hell don't want to overpay for injured Gay. The only way we can get him now without overpaying him is if the market completely dries up for him.

Old Man Game · Post #2390 » by **Old Man Game** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 11:54 am

spearsy23 wrote:
Old Man Game wrote:Maybe they'll just bench Kanter into oblivion this year.

No better way to guarantee we have to pay his last year.

We're stuck with him anyway. It's not like people aren't aware of Enes Kanter and by benching him a bunch of GMs who would have otherwise wanted him will suddenly forget he exists and his list of faults as a player. :lol:

Greg Monroe just opted in to a final year for the same reason Kanter will. That style of player isn't valued at the moment.

spearsy23 · Post #2391 » by **spearsy23** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 12:01 pm

Old Man Game wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:
Old Man Game wrote:Maybe they'll just bench Kanter into oblivion this year.

No better way to guarantee we have to pay his last year.

We're stuck with him anyway. It's not like people aren't aware of Enes Kanter and by benching him a bunch of GMs who would have otherwise wanted him will suddenly forget he exists and his list of faults as a player.

Eh, he was better last year than ever before, especially pre-injury. With continued improvement you might get a team to take a chance on the last year of his deal. And if he plays really well with a real pg you might even get him to opt out.

Post #2392 » by **ThunderBolt** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 12:06 pm

Kanter has some value as a bench player in the regular season against most teams not named Houston and Golden State. I could see us holding on to him for the first part of the year and then moving him at the deadline to add some finishing touches to the roster. We definitely need a backup pg now. As for some of the other moves, maybe Presti wants to see how the current group plays together before adding more role players.

spearsy23 · Post #2393 » by **spearsy23** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 12:14 pm

Knrstz wrote:Kanter has some value as a bench player in the regular season against most teams not named Houston and Golden State. I could see us holding on to him for the first part of the year and then moving him at the deadline to add some finishing touches to the roster. We definitely need a backup pg now. As for some of the other moves, maybe Presti wants to see how the current group plays together before adding more role players.

I'm against waiting until the deadline to make moves. It takes Billy 3 months every season just to realize singler sucks, forget about trying to put together a competent lineup after the ASB.

Pillendreher · Post #2394 » by **Pillendreher** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 12:17 pm

spearsy23 wrote:
Knrstz wrote:Kanter has some value as a bench player in the regular season against most teams not named Houston and Golden State. I could see us holding on to him for the first part of the year and then moving him at the deadline to add some finishing touches to the roster. We definitely need a backup pg now. As for some of the other moves, maybe Presti wants to see how the current group plays together before adding more role players.

I'm against waiting until the deadline to make moves. It takes Billy 3 months every season just to realize singler sucks, forget about trying to put together a competent lineup after the ASB.

Exactly. We need to be ready before the season starts. We went ahead with Domas last year; in hindsight, we clearly shouldn't have. We might have gotten HCA just by having Gibson from the get go.

Old Man Game · Post #2395 » by **Old Man Game** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 12:18 pm

The fact that a player like Hayward would leave says a lot to me. I could be wrong but I don't envision him making all that lost dough up in off the court sponsorships from playing in Boston.

There's probably no way out of this other than a lockout potentially lasting a season or more, but it seems like this ability to offer a 5th year to re-sign with Bird Rights isn't doing as much anymore. Now days the contracts are so lucrative that a player is basically looking at being set for life either way.

ts23_ · Post #2396 » by **ts23_** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 12:26 pm

bondom34 wrote:
ts23_ wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Nope, capped either way. I don't know if he's either not signing, or just waiting, or what.

If I were Russ, I’d wait it out until Presti is done making moves.

Committing to a long term extension basically takes all of the leverage out of RW’s hands.

You’d like to think that Presti would continue to make moves after a long-term commitment from Russ, but by him holding out for the time being it could be more motivation for him to continue to move pieces.

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Old Man Game · Post #2397 » by **Old Man Game** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 12:26 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:
Knrstz wrote:Kanter has some value as a bench player in the regular season against most teams not named Houston and Golden State. I could see us holding on to him for the first part of the year and then moving him at the deadline to add some finishing touches to the roster. We definitely need a backup pg now. As for some of the other moves, maybe Presti wants to see how the current group plays together before adding more role players.

I'm against waiting until the deadline to make moves. It takes Billy 3 months every season just to realize singler sucks, forget about trying to put together a competent lineup after the ASB.

Exactly. We need to be ready before the season starts. We went ahead with Domas last year; in hindsight, we clearly shouldn't have. We might have gotten HCA just by having Gibson from the get go.

Lot of these deals aren't available before the deadline though. GMs are more motivated to make a deal right then than they are in July to October.

Balkman32 · Post #2398 » by **Balkman32** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 1:06 pm

getrichordie wrote:
Knrstz wrote:I hope Presti goes hard for Smart. Rondo is cancer.

Yeah, but what does it take to get Smart? Don't want to lose McDermott or Abrines. Grant is expendable.

Well the thing is that they can't take money back, they have to stay under the cap. I think Sam starts w/ the Bulls 2nd rounder, plus the trade exception and hopping that's enough.

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Old Man Game · Post #2399 » by **Old Man Game** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 1:14 pm

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NetsWorld · Post #2400 » by **NetsWorld** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 1:50 pm

Old Man Game wrote:

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As long as he is healthy and can do his job defensively and give us easy buckets when he has good shots, I am happy. Patterson is definitely a step in the right direction. If they can now find a way to get say a Marcus Smart for backup Point Guard, we would finish off a great off-season. Really getting amped for this season; if we can get the chemistry going early and they are meshing, I expect this team to be a top 2 in the conference. Only thing I hope for is Melo not going to Houston.