10/22 - 6PM CST | G3: Minnesota Timberwolves at Oklahoma City Thunder

[M2J]

Melo played good down the stretch. Stopped Butler drive and hit the go ahead 3. Yeah put him on the bench.

he was poor the rest of the time.

Yeah sure. Only on RealGM

Doesn’t matter at the end of the day.

I've given up. These guys have insecurity issues based off of preconceived notions and there hopes coming into the season.

Praise Russell's for playing well down the stretch, and excuse George, because they want him to re-sign. Then lookup every analytic to hate on everyone else

[slick_watts]

he was poor the rest of the time.

Yeah sure. Only on RealGM

Doesn’t matter at the end of the day.

I've given up. These guys have insecurity issues based off of preconceived notions and there hopes coming into the season.

Praise Russell's for playing well down the stretch, and excuse George, because they want him to re-sign. Then lookup every analytic to hate on everyone else

not praising or excusing anyone. melo's a liability on defense and was mostly uninvolved in 4Q until that final play. a better defensive player who could also stretch the floor (patterson) may have been a better option.

[M2J]

Yeah sure. Only on RealGM

Doesn’t matter at the end of the day.

I've given up. These guys have insecurity issues based off of preconceived notions and there hopes coming into the season.

Praise Russell's for playing well down the stretch, and excuse George, because they want him to re-sign. Then lookup every analytic to hate on everyone else

not praising or excusing anyone. melo's a liability on defense and was mostly uninvolved in 4Q until that final play. a better defensive player who could also stretch the floor (patterson) may have been a better option.

But for anybody who was actually watching the game Carmelo made multiple defensive plays throughout the fourth quarter and defended multiple missed shots, led the charge that got them into the game early in the fourth quarter, and had multiple made baskets in the quarter

[Rotten Apple]

Yeah sure. Only on RealGM

Doesn’t matter at the end of the day.

I've given up. These guys have insecurity issues based off of preconceived notions and there hopes coming into the season.

Praise Russell's for playing well down the stretch, and excuse George, because they want him to re-sign. Then lookup every analytic to hate on everyone else

not praising or excusing anyone. melo's a liability on defense and was mostly uninvolved in 4Q until that final play. a better defensive player who could also stretch the floor (patterson) may have been a better option.

Again he’s not a defensive liability. You heard that somewhere and ran with it. He played good defense down the stretch and hit a big shot and look at basic +/- he was the only started with a positive rating. He helped keep you guys in the game along with Felton.

I understand you'd trade him if you had it your way but damn

[Rotten Apple]

he was poor the rest of the time.

Yeah sure. Only on RealGM

Doesn’t matter at the end of the day.

I've given up. These guys have insecurity issues based off of preconceived notions and there hopes coming into the season.

Praise Russell's for playing well down the stretch, and excuse George, because they want him to re-sign. Then lookup every analytic to hate on everyone else

I almost forget where I’m at sometimes, on this site Melo will never be in the right.

[Funcrusher]

not praising or excusing anyone. melo's a liability on defense and was mostly uninvolved in 4Q until that final play. a better defensive player who could also stretch the floor (patterson) may have been a better option.

Again he’s not a defensive liability. You heard that somewhere and ran with it. He played good defense down the stretch and hit a big shot and look at basic +/- he was the only started with a positive rating. He helped keep you guys in the game along with Felton.

I understand you'd trade him if you had it your way but damn

Bro, Melo's not a good defender. He's just not. You can admit that and still be a fan.

[M2J]

I've given up. These guys have insecurity issues based off of preconceived notions and there hopes coming into the season.

Praise Russell's for playing well down the stretch, and excuse George, because they want him to re-sign. Then lookup every analytic to hate on everyone else

not praising or excusing anyone. melo's a liability on defense and was mostly uninvolved in 4Q until that final play. a better defensive player who could also stretch the floor (patterson) may have been a better option.

Again he’s not a defensive liability. You heard that somewhere and ran with it. He played good defense down the stretch and hit a big shot and look at basic +/- he was the only started with a positive rating. He helped keep you guys in the game along with Felton.

I understand you'd trade him if you had it your way but damn

Even the play (floater) KAT made down the stretch, which was the last set defensive possession, he made 2 strong rotations & affected the release in recovery

Also had 8 pts, 2 steals leading to 2 transition baskets & a big defensive board in the 4th. Yet uninvolved and defensive liability? Hate to quote Trump, but #Fake News

[Rotten Apple]

not praising or excusing anyone. melo's a liability on defense and was mostly uninvolved in 4Q until that final play. a better defensive player who could also stretch the floor (patterson) may have been a better option.

Again he’s not a defensive liability. You heard that somewhere and ran with it. He played good defense down the stretch and hit a big shot and look at basic +/- he was the only started with a positive rating. He helped keep you guys in the game along with Felton.

I understand you'd trade him if you had it your way but damn

Bro, Melo's not a good defender. He's just not. You can admit that and still be a fan.

I'm not your bro.

Melo is not a defensive liability.

[Rotten Apple]

not praising or excusing anyone. melo's a liability on defense and was mostly uninvolved in 4Q until that final play. a better defensive player who could also stretch the floor (patterson) may have been a better option.

Again he’s not a defensive liability. You heard that somewhere and ran with it. He played good defense down the stretch and hit a big shot and look at basic +/- he was the only started with a positive rating. He helped keep you guys in the game along with Felton.

I understand you'd trade him if you had it your way but damn

Even the play (floater) KAT made down the stretch, which was the last set defensive possession, he made 2 strong rotations & affected the release in recovery

Also had 8 pts, 2 steals leading to 2 transition baskets & a big defensive board in the 4th. Yet uninvolved and defensive liability? Hate to quote Trump, but #Fake News

Yup, I'll just stop because I don't wanna cause issues over here but it is getting ridiculous.

[Funcrusher]

Again he’s not a defensive liability. You heard that somewhere and ran with it. He played good defense down the stretch and hit a big shot and look at basic +/- he was the only started with a positive rating. He helped keep you guys in the game along with Felton.

I understand you'd trade him if you had it your way but damn

Bro, Melo's not a good defender. He's just not. You can admit that and still be a fan.

I'm not your bro.

Melo is not a defensive liability.

Why are you mad though? Melo's a defensive liability.

[Rotten Apple]

Bro, Melo's not a good defender. He's just not. You can admit that and still be a fan.

I'm not your bro.

Melo is not a defensive liability.

Why are you mad though? Melo's a defensive liability.

I’m mad?

Also you keep saying that and offer no other insight.

[Funcrusher]

I'm not your bro.

Melo is not a defensive liability.

Why are you mad though? Melo's a defensive liability.

I’m mad?

Also you keep saying that and offer no other insight.

Besides analytics, which you seem to have an agenda against, it's clear from the seeing eye test that Carmelo is a: a terrible team defender, often late on rotations, b: flat out lazy at times and prone to give up on plays and c: terrible at contesting shots and stopping the fast break. Off the top of my head I can point to at least 5 different blown assignments by Melo in the last quarter of this game.

Many people, i.e: slick watts, bondom, spearsy, pill, have already offered insight on this matter so I'm not going to waste my time. It's also not a RealGM thing, as you and a few others have claimed. This is a reality accepted by the majority of basketball pundits. This is not a case of analytical nerds that simply look at spreadsheet figures. Also, don't be mad. I only speak the truth

[spearsy23]

not praising or excusing anyone. melo's a liability on defense and was mostly uninvolved in 4Q until that final play. a better defensive player who could also stretch the floor (patterson) may have been a better option.

Again he’s not a defensive liability. You heard that somewhere and ran with it. He played good defense down the stretch and hit a big shot and look at basic +/- he was the only started with a positive rating. He helped keep you guys in the game along with Felton.

I understand you'd trade him if you had it your way but damn

Even the play (floater) KAT made down the stretch, which was the last set defensive possession, he made 2 strong rotations & affected the release in recovery

I'm going to have to go back and watch this because I was almost certain it was Roberson that forced that floater. He and Adams both started to close out, dre dropped off, Steven over played the shot (IMO anyway, I think you want KAT shooting that with a solid contest), as KAT drove Robes stepped back up and KAT made a shot that bigs aren't supposed to.

Rewatched, Melo swiped at the ball from behind and had no real effect on the shot. Not even sure KAT knew he was there. That said, besides a couple of missed rotations and a stupid three I thought Melo had a great 4th, he stayed off the ball and his shots were mostly off the catch.

[spearsy23]

His third quarter on the other hand was trash, specifically the end of it.

[bondom34]

Again he’s not a defensive liability. You heard that somewhere and ran with it. He played good defense down the stretch and hit a big shot and look at basic +/- he was the only started with a positive rating. He helped keep you guys in the game along with Felton.

I understand you'd trade him if you had it your way but damn

Even the play (floater) KAT made down the stretch, which was the last set defensive possession, he made 2 strong rotations & affected the release in recovery

I'm going to have to go back and watch this because I was almost certain it was Roberson that forced that floater. He and Adams both started to close out, dre dropped off, Steven over played the shot (IMO anyway, I think you want KAT shooting that with a solid contest), as KAT drove Robes stepped back up and KAT made a shot that bigs aren't supposed to.

Rewatched, Melo swiped at the ball from behind and had no real effect on the shot. Not even sure KAT knew he was there. That said, besides a couple of missed rotations and a stupid three I thought Melo had a great 4th, he stayed off the ball and his shots were mostly off the catch.

At the end? Robes and Adams forced a floater and Melo backed off.

[verysalt]

Bro, Melo's not a good defender. He's just not. You can admit that and still be a fan.

I'm not your bro.

Melo is not a defensive liability.

Why are you mad though? Melo's a defensive liability.

He is and people from different boards agrees with this statement. You might like Melo for different reasons but defensively he is lazy bump.

[Rotten Apple]

I'm not your bro.

Melo is not a defensive liability.

Why are you mad though? Melo's a defensive liability.

He is and people from different boards agrees with this statement. You might like Melo for different reasons but defensively he is lazy bump.

You think I care that people from different boards agree?

You do know there's a huge gap between being a defensive liability and a great defender. Melo is somewhere in between, lets say average.

[Rotten Apple]

Even the play (floater) KAT made down the stretch, which was the last set defensive possession, he made 2 strong rotations & affected the release in recovery

I'm going to have to go back and watch this because I was almost certain it was Roberson that forced that floater. He and Adams both started to close out, dre dropped off, Steven over played the shot (IMO anyway, I think you want KAT shooting that with a solid contest), as KAT drove Robes stepped back up and KAT made a shot that bigs aren't supposed to.

Rewatched, Melo swiped at the ball from behind and had no real effect on the shot. Not even sure KAT knew he was there. That said, besides a couple of missed rotations and a stupid three I thought Melo had a great 4th, he stayed off the ball and his shots were mostly off the catch.

At the end? Robes and Adams forced a floater and Melo backed off.

He didn't back off, he showed and went for a block, Dre was in front keeping Towns from the basket.

Let's discuss Adams poor closeout, he left both feet from like 6 feet away that's just not great defense.

Or how Felton/Russ didn't box out Wiggins on a key putback with around 38 seconds left.

A lot of things you could point to but dude calls out Melo come on man.

Sometimes it's deserved but not tonight, not at all.

[spearsy23]

Why are you mad though? Melo's a defensive liability.

He is and people from different boards agrees with this statement. You might like Melo for different reasons but defensively he is lazy bump.

You think I care that people from different boards agree?

You do know there's a huge gap between being a defensive liability and a great defender. Melo is somewhere in between, lets say average.

He's definitely below average, assuming average means neutral. I don't think he's horrible, but he is bad. He's shown good hands, bad rotations, and abysmal rim protection.

[Rotten Apple]

He is and people from different boards agrees with this statement. You might like Melo for different reasons but defensively he is lazy bump.

You think I care that people from different boards agree?

You do know there's a huge gap between being a defensive liability and a great defender. Melo is somewhere in between, lets say average.

He's definitely below average, assuming average means neutral. I don't think he's horrible, but he is bad. He's shown good hands, bad rotations, and abysmal rim protection.

I think he's slightly above average, teams can just attack him(they never do) but not a stopper in the mold of the elite.

His rotations are bad, I think he goes for his swipe blocks to consistently could sometimes just use his strength to stop drivers but that hand speed is top notch, always seems to have his hands around the ball though it gets him into some foul trouble at times.

Point is the reputation or stigma is false, just something guys say whenever they wanna sound smart

I think you're at least knowledgable, I like our little debates.