WCQF | (4) Oklahoma City Thunder vs Utah Jazz (5) | UTA 4-2

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Thunder in 4
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Thunder in 5
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8%
Thunder in 6
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25%
Thunder in 7
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8%
Jazz in 4
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Jazz in 5
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Jazz in 6
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Jazz in 7
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Post#241 » by PharmD » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:45 am

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bondom34 wrote:When he returned they were the 10 seed and sub .500 with a middling defense. Since they were the best team in the NBA.

That doesn't refute anything. They were 6-11 with him prior to that streak and 12-15 without him. Does he get credited with making them worse prior to that streak?

How has KAT been without an MVP caliber player?

The Wolves were 8-9 when Butler was hurt. It was extra painful because every team in the West was going like 14-3 at that time.

Butler's backups are Jamal Crawford (terrible), Shabazz Muhammad (cut), and Nemanda Bjelica playing out of position. So of course the Wolves are gonna suck whenever Jimmy comes out of the game. The Wolves have 2 NBA level wings.
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Post#242 » by slick_watts » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:53 am

Pillendreher wrote:Timely buckets


can you explain what this is?
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Post#243 » by sleestak33 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:28 pm

Not a big surprise that when Donovan finally cuts the rotation down and pretty much eliminated Huestis, Ferguson and Patterson that the team suddenly becomes much better. Abrines is playable if he's knocking down shots and he had a huge impact in this game (decent defense and 11 points in 21 minutes). The top 7 for OKC are pretty dang good but after that they pretty much fall off the planet and Abrines, Huestis, Ferguson and Patterson have all been extremely disappointing all year and have cost them many of their losses. I'm sure we will hear the media talk about how great of a coaching job Donovan did now...lol. Kind of like how he suddenly became a great coach when KD was here and all he really did was stop playing Kyle Singler once the playoffs started. Just keep the rotation to 8 guys and OKC has a chance to get past the first couple of rounds and hey, you never know.
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Post#244 » by Old Man Game » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:07 pm

sleestak33 wrote:Not a big surprise that when Donovan finally cuts the rotation down and pretty much eliminated Huestis, Ferguson and Patterson that the team suddenly becomes much better. Abrines is playable if he's knocking down shots and he had a huge impact in this game (decent defense and 11 points in 21 minutes). The top 7 for OKC are pretty dang good but after that they pretty much fall off the planet and Abrines, Huestis, Ferguson and Patterson have all been extremely disappointing all year and have cost them many of their losses. I'm sure we will hear the media talk about how great of a coaching job Donovan did now...lol. Kind of like how he suddenly became a great coach when KD was here and all he really did was stop playing Kyle Singler once the playoffs started. Just keep the rotation to 8 guys and OKC has a chance to get past the first couple of rounds and hey, you never know.


He had Ferguson in in the first half and I'm pretty sure he gave up two and 1s. It's like 'Billy FFS.' Thank god he benched him in the second half.
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Post#245 » by Bergmaniac » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:22 pm

Very good win. The defense was great after the first several minutes. Offensively you were too stagnant even by your low standards in the first 3 quarters IMO, Westbrook's passing was really off until the final quarter. But George was so hot it didn't matter much and in the last quarter your passing game was much better.

But the most important thing was that you manage to turn this game into mostly ISOs and "one pass-shot" possessions affair and that's where you'll almost always have the advantage over Utah.
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Post#246 » by dakomish23 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:26 pm

Not sure if anybody else likes them, but I always listen to the Thunder Buddies podcast. Pretty much what most saw. 6 guys played well, they made Rubio shoot more, somewhat took Ingles out and got Gobert in foul trouble.
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Post#247 » by ThunderBolt » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:51 pm

As far as the tv broadcast, Matt pinto >>>Brian Davis. You can be a homer without twisting the truth.
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Post#248 » by slick_watts » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:14 pm

Knrstz wrote:As far as the tv broadcast, Matt pinto >>>Brian Davis. You can be a homer without twisting the truth.


pinto should have pulled up from 40 and said paul george is playing out of his cotton picking mind.
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Post#249 » by sonictecture » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:05 pm

Pillendreher wrote:Excellent win. After being down 16-4, they outscored the Jazz 105-75 over the next 40 minutes (+31 NetRtG). I don't care much for the ending, but at that point the game was over.

After the rough start initially, I think the defensive gameplan was working very, very well. Since Gobert came back, the Jazz were averaging 307 passes per game, 28 assists adjusted per game and 427 touches per game. Yesterday? 276 passes, 24 assists adjusted and 398 touches. They only took 22 pull up FGA per game, yet yesterday they took 27.
The team did an excellent job taking them out of rhythm and forcing their worst offensive players to make plays: Rubio with a 31 USG% is probably the best that can happen for the Thunder. 18 USG% for Crowder is also a very good sign that the defensive gameplan was working. Meanwhile Ingles was only 8th (!!!) on their team in USG%. The Jazz are 25-25 in the RS when his USG% is below 17 %. I think this 'just let George take him out of plays' strategy worked really well. Since Gobert came back, Ingles averaged 53 touches per game: Yesterday he had 40.

Now with regards to the 'Yeah, but if the Jazz shoot better' replies: That's a direct result of the Thunder's defensive gameplan. They Mitchell as probably the one guy who can create shots for himself and others. He played well. Other than that, they heavily rely on their system getting them good looks. They basically rely on 5 guys for their outside shooting: Mitchell, who has shot 33.2 % from 3 since Gobert came back, Ingles, whom they took out of the game, Crowder, who's shooting 31.6 % from 3 with the Jazz, Rubio, who's a 32.5 % career 3pt shooter, and Jerebko, who's just taking two 3s a game. So when you force the non-shooters to make shots, this is what happens. And let's not act like they were bricking left and right: 39.3 % from 3 is still very good.

With regards to shooting, this is also interesting: Per stats.nba.com, they shot 34 contested shots and made 18; we took 32 contested shots and made 12th. They took 53 uncontested shots and made 23 (and again: The defensive gameplan forced this - Rubio and Crowder got 20 of those 53 and made 4); we took 53 uncontested shots and made 29. Closest defender breakdown:

Very tight: OKC 4-8 | UTA 5-7
Tight: OKC 16-28 | UTA 18-27
Open: OKC 14-29 | UTA 11-26
Wide Open: OKC 7-13 | UTA 7-22

Again: It matters who's taking the shots. Rubio+Crowder were 3-18 on open and wide open shots (11 of them were 3s). Meanwhile, Anthony, George and Abrines went 12-20 on open and wide open 3s. They didn't make our worst shooters shoot - we did with theirs.

Which brings me to the offense: It was very good to see George going off like this. He won't be able to do this all postseason long, but just making shots is so important. And it's not like this is new or whatever: Before the ASB, he was shooting 45.4 % on open and wide open 3s. He's very capable of making those. His shot just left him after the break, but I do hope it's back and here to stay.
Generally though, they are going to have to find ways to score without relying on the pull ups so much. 36 pull ups compared to 26 attempts at the rim is not a good enough balance. Russ was very hesitant in the PnR and threw some dangerous passes behind the role man. Even with Gobert on the bench, they weren't really going at them. Russ making some jumpers changed how much Gobert hang back, but they still need to find ways to attack the rim. I'd like to see them use Grant a little bit more, just to put some pressure on them.

Shoutout to Melo btw. I know his % don't look all that great, but I think he played well. Timely buckets, 3 steals, 2 blocks. I didn't like the isos against Favors though: Pick your spots with that.

Abrines also continues to impress. His defense has improved and he's been making shots at a very high rate. Since that loss to Houston in March, he's shooting 47.8 % from 3 (22/46) in 16 games. Maybe he's not dead money afterall. ;)

Nice review.

Donovan deserves credit for a good game plan. I like how he wasn't satisfied with the win and knows the team can do things better in the upcoming games. George's hot shooting through off some of the offensive game plan I believe, but Donovan deserves credit for letting the hot hand play out.

I also thought Melo had timely contributions. For example his 3 in the first quarter was the shot that got OKC their first lead. It was a good shot and he took it with great confidence. Melo's overall play in the first stabilized the team, helped them back in the lead and let George and Westbrook play looser from that quarter. I don't think that Melo has to play 37 mpg, but I think it was smart of Donovan to allow Melo minutes as OKC had control of the game after the first quarter.

I was glad to see both Brewer and Abrines available and contribute in positive ways to the win. Seeing Abrines continue to shoot with confidence and give effort on defense is really encouraging.

Overall I was proud of the team and am looking forward to game two.
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Post#250 » by Andre Roberstan » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:43 pm

Spending my morning reading the GB game thread and laughing cause I'm definitely a normal mentally healthy human being
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Post#251 » by bondom34 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:59 pm

Andre Roberstan wrote:Spending my morning reading the GB game thread and laughing cause I'm definitely a normal mentally healthy human being

Either PG is better than Lebron or Utah in 5. Depends on who's posting.

I'm.not feeling great about game 2 but I also don't know if either team can win 3 straight.
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Post#252 » by Pillendreher » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:32 pm

slick_watts wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:Timely buckets


can you explain what this is?


Field goals that are important momentum wise. Like this sequence:

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Good shot contest on Jerebko and then he nails the pull up 3 to givem them a 3 pt lead after being down 16-4 just a couple minutes earlier.

Or this one: The Jazz were still hanging around and weren't willing to go away. He gets the block and nails the dagger on the other end:

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"I don't know of any player that, when the shot goes up, he doesn't want it to go in," Donovan said
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Post#253 » by Patches Perry » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:42 pm

Happy with the win, but I feel like Donovan Mitchell is going to make me cry at some point in this series. That kid can flat out score.
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Post#254 » by slick_watts » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:45 pm

Pillendreher wrote:Field goals that are important momentum wise.


can you define momentum please?

it seems to me like you're assigning carmelo's shots in these instances extra value in order to tell the story you want to tell.
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Post#255 » by Pillendreher » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:06 pm

sonictecture wrote:I like how he wasn't satisfied with the win and knows the team can do things better in the upcoming games.


Yeah I liked that as well. The Jazz will try to adjust and we can't just act like we'll walk all over them from here on out.
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Post#256 » by hardenASG13 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:07 pm

slick_watts wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:Field goals that are important momentum wise.


can you define momentum please?

it seems to me like you're assigning carmelo's shots in these instances extra value in order to tell the story you want to tell.


Haha he doesn't need to define every word. Melo was huge in the first quarter, and picked up the team after they came out flat. They immediately came all the way back and rode that momentum to a comfortable win, as the more talented team. No need to denounce everything. He hit big shots early, which is what they need from him, which is to get hot a few times a game and to lift the offense for stretches.
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Post#257 » by retrobro90 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:14 pm

Mitchell with a right foot contusion. Status TBD for Game 2 but I'd bet my house he plays through it.

How **** filthy is Jerami Grant now? I was completely wrong about him at the beginning of the season. His improvement is staggering. The tough bank shot he made last night. The crazy finishes over Gobert with his body control. The fact that he hit Abrines in the corner twice on the short roll. This dude is a totally different player than what we saw last year.
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Post#258 » by hardenASG13 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:17 pm

Patches Perry wrote:Happy with the win, but I feel like Donovan Mitchell is going to make me cry at some point in this series. That kid can flat out score.


Eh, those Westbrook and George guys are pretty good too, thankfully. Mitchell can ball, and will have his time. This isn't it, though.
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Post#259 » by Andre Roberstan » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:22 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:
slick_watts wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:Field goals that are important momentum wise.


can you define momentum please?

it seems to me like you're assigning carmelo's shots in these instances extra value in order to tell the story you want to tell.


Haha he doesn't need to define every word. Melo was huge in the first quarter, and picked up the team after they came out flat. They immediately came all the way back and rode that momentum to a comfortable win, as the more talented team. No need to denounce everything. He hit big shots early, which is what they need from him, which is to get hot a few times a game and to lift the offense for stretches.


Justin doesn't believe in anything which isn't easily quantifiable with numbers, which means he's out on momentum, hot hand, and clutch.

I'm of the opposite mindset. But he's not going to change his mind.
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Post#260 » by Pillendreher » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:39 pm

Andre Roberstan wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:
slick_watts wrote:
can you define momentum please?

it seems to me like you're assigning carmelo's shots in these instances extra value in order to tell the story you want to tell.


Haha he doesn't need to define every word. Melo was huge in the first quarter, and picked up the team after they came out flat. They immediately came all the way back and rode that momentum to a comfortable win, as the more talented team. No need to denounce everything. He hit big shots early, which is what they need from him, which is to get hot a few times a game and to lift the offense for stretches.


Justin doesn't believe in anything which isn't easily quantifiable with numbers, which means he's out on momentum, hot hand, and clutch.

I'm of the opposite mindset. But he's not going to change his mind.


I hope he was OK with riding the hot hand yesterday. :P
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