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Post#261 » by bondom34 » Thu Feb 2, 2017 4:09 pm

spearsy23 wrote:Neither Adams nor Oladipo are good enough to be second options. We don't have cap space or trade chips beyond the two of them. That's what it all boils down to. The easiest way to remake the roster is to trade one of them (or both) for rookies or rookie scale contracts and build an actual team around Russ. You don't have to have 3 superstars to be a very good team, but you can't have two good players and crap around your superstar either.

Kanter. And Dipo is a maybe. I'll be honest, if Presti trades Adams I'm all aboard firing him. Same for Russ.
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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#262 » by Osirus89 » Thu Feb 2, 2017 4:11 pm

I would be just fine with trading Victor at the draft if it gave a good player or a really good draft pick. (Top 15) Would not trade Adams though. You don't even entertain trading Russ unless he declines the DV extension this summer. If he declines, then you can start looking at trading him.

On the recent Dunc'd On podcast for the northwest division, they brought up Denver as a trade partner with Roberson as a target. They mentioned Darrell Arthur and possibly will Barton. They felt Gallo and Chandler would be good fits, but didn't know if the Thunder have the assets. They also mentioned taking a flyer on Mario Hezonja possibly. Didn't see many other possibilities though. I would be happy with any of those if they can be pulled off.

I also don't think kanter is "totally" off the market. It's not the best situation, but I could see a team willing to take him even with the injury just because he is a known commodity. I think OKC should be aggressively trying to find a way to move him for help because he's not of any use sitting on the bench with a cast on his hand for the next almost two months.
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Post#263 » by bondom34 » Thu Feb 2, 2017 4:20 pm

Osirus89 wrote:I would be just fine with trading Victor at the draft if it gave a good player or a really good draft pick. (Top 15) Would not trade Adams though. You don't even entertain trading Russ unless he declines the DV extension this summer. If he declines, then you can start looking at trading him.

On the recent Dunc'd On podcast for the northwest division, they brought up Denver as a trade partner with Roberson as a target. They mentioned Darrell Arthur and possibly will Barton. They felt Gallo and Chandler would be good fits, but didn't know if the Thunder have the assets. They also mentioned taking a flyer on Mario Hezonja possibly. Didn't see many other possibilities though. I would be happy with any of those if they can be pulled off.

I also don't think kanter is "totally" off the market. It's not the best situation, but I could see a team willing to take him even with the injury just because he is a known commodity. I think OKC should be aggressively trying to find a way to move him for help because he's not of any use sitting on the bench with a cast on his hand for the next almost two months.

I pretty much agree with all of this.

And thought the same for Robes. I could see VO being moved, and think Kanter is available too. More Kanter but if the right deal comes up, Oladipo's available. It has to be a 100 percent thing though.
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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#264 » by spearsy23 » Thu Feb 2, 2017 4:30 pm

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spearsy23 wrote:Neither Adams nor Oladipo are good enough to be second options. We don't have cap space or trade chips beyond the two of them. That's what it all boils down to. The easiest way to remake the roster is to trade one of them (or both) for rookies or rookie scale contracts and build an actual team around Russ. You don't have to have 3 superstars to be a very good team, but you can't have two good players and crap around your superstar either.

Kanter. And Dipo is a maybe. I'll be honest, if Presti trades Adams I'm all aboard firing him. Same for Russ.

Trading kanter by himself doesn't open cap space, you still have to trade at least one of vic or Steven.

And there is zero reason Steven should be untouchable. Russ is the only guy on the roster that shouldn't be available.
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Post#265 » by bondom34 » Thu Feb 2, 2017 4:52 pm

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spearsy23 wrote:Neither Adams nor Oladipo are good enough to be second options. We don't have cap space or trade chips beyond the two of them. That's what it all boils down to. The easiest way to remake the roster is to trade one of them (or both) for rookies or rookie scale contracts and build an actual team around Russ. You don't have to have 3 superstars to be a very good team, but you can't have two good players and crap around your superstar either.

Kanter. And Dipo is a maybe. I'll be honest, if Presti trades Adams I'm all aboard firing him. Same for Russ.

Trading kanter by himself doesn't open cap space, you still have to trade at least one of vic or Steven.

And there is zero reason Steven should be untouchable. Russ is the only guy on the roster that shouldn't be available.

Nobody's technically untouchable, but Steven's pretty close to me.
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Post#266 » by ThunderBolt » Thu Feb 2, 2017 5:07 pm

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spearsy23 wrote:Neither Adams nor Oladipo are good enough to be second options. We don't have cap space or trade chips beyond the two of them. That's what it all boils down to. The easiest way to remake the roster is to trade one of them (or both) for rookies or rookie scale contracts and build an actual team around Russ. You don't have to have 3 superstars to be a very good team, but you can't have two good players and crap around your superstar either.

Kanter. And Dipo is a maybe. I'll be honest, if Presti trades Adams I'm all aboard firing him. Same for Russ.


How much is Kanters worth hurt by his injury? We can afford to take less because he's hurt.
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Post#267 » by bondom34 » Thu Feb 2, 2017 5:09 pm

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spearsy23 wrote:Neither Adams nor Oladipo are good enough to be second options. We don't have cap space or trade chips beyond the two of them. That's what it all boils down to. The easiest way to remake the roster is to trade one of them (or both) for rookies or rookie scale contracts and build an actual team around Russ. You don't have to have 3 superstars to be a very good team, but you can't have two good players and crap around your superstar either.

Kanter. And Dipo is a maybe. I'll be honest, if Presti trades Adams I'm all aboard firing him. Same for Russ.


How much is Kanters worth hurt by his injury? We can afford to take less because he's hurt.

Not sure, honestly I think what sucks is he's probably taken himself off the market until at least the offseason. I think he's showing value in how awful they look without him now, but at the same time can't see a team trade for him while he's hurt.
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Post#268 » by Osirus89 » Thu Feb 2, 2017 5:51 pm

I agree I don't think Steven is untradable, but I would ask for a Paul George or Jimmy Butler level player back for him. Since teams would balk at that offer, I don't think he would be traded. If you traded Steven for say Khris Middleton or even Jabari, would you get past the Warriors ? I think in order to trade Steven you have to ask yourself why you want to do it. If your objective is to beat Golden State, the defense would suffer to the point where that wouldn't happen regardless. If you want a good playoff team, you can accomplish that without sacrificing Adams to do it. I would pick Victor 10/10 times as the trade piece because you can replace what he does with a lot of different players.

It's hard to replace Steven with a comparable player that another team would actually be willing to part with. I mean ... how many centers are clearly better than Steven ? (Embiid, Davis, Towns, Cousins, Porzingis, Marc Gasol, Gobert) You can probably add Jokic to that, but it gets hazy after that. Whiteside is just a shot blocker who doesn't actually anchor the defense. Deandre Jordan is a dunking defensive machine that has no offensive game. He is also 28. Draymond isn't actually a center. That's about 8 guys that I would say are better than Steven, and Cousins is a headcase that I wouldn't trade for Steven anyway. Those are all franchise guys for their teams. Adams should be the third option on this team. Having a top 10 center as a third option is pretty good. Steven can play both ends of the floor. Point being that Steven provides a lot by being a physical presence that can guard those great opposing big men while holding his own. If he was gone, those guys would have no resistance on the interior.
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Post#269 » by ThunderBolt » Thu Feb 2, 2017 6:29 pm

Osirus89 wrote:I agree I don't think Steven is untradable, but I would ask for a Paul George or Jimmy Butler level player back for him. Since teams would balk at that offer, I don't think he would be traded. If you traded Steven for say Khris Middleton or even Jabari, would you get past the Warriors ? I think in order to trade Steven you have to ask yourself why you want to do it. If your objective is to beat Golden State, the defense would suffer to the point where that wouldn't happen regardless. If you want a good playoff team, you can accomplish that without sacrificing Adams to do it. I would pick Victor 10/10 times as the trade piece because you can replace what he does with a lot of different players.

It's hard to replace Steven with a comparable player that another team would actually be willing to part with. I mean ... how many centers are clearly better than Steven ? (Embiid, Davis, Towns, Cousins, Porzingis, Marc Gasol, Gobert) You can probably add Jokic to that, but it gets hazy after that. Whiteside is just a shot blocker who doesn't actually anchor the defense. Deandre Jordan is a dunking defensive machine that has no offensive game. He is also 28. Draymond isn't actually a center. That's about 8 guys that I would say are better than Steven, and Cousins is a headcase that I wouldn't trade for Steven anyway. Those are all franchise guys for their teams. Adams should be the third option on this team. Having a top 10 center as a third option is pretty good. Steven can play both ends of the floor. Point being that Steven provides a lot by being a physical presence that can guard those great opposing big men while holding his own. If he was gone, those guys would have no resistance on the interior.


I agree. That's why I said if you trade Adams and get a guy like McCollum, you have to also be able to get a guy like WCS from Sacramento to replace what you lost. I know it's a stretch to make that happen, but I would give a little at the center position to get an elite guard. It seems like the league has lots of big men right now.
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Post#271 » by ThunderBolt » Thu Feb 2, 2017 8:25 pm

Andre Roberstan wrote:http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/nuggets/2017/02/02/wilson-chandler-nuggets-traded-michael-malone-kenneth-faried/97403000/

Wilson Chandler!


I also saw they are shopping mudiay. Maybe Presti can sell them on Payne but might have to throw in Roberson.
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Post#272 » by retrobro90 » Thu Feb 2, 2017 9:23 pm

I've talked to a couple bucks fans who would be willing to sell cheap on Mirza Teletovic. Guy hardly plays for them and is a more than capable rotation guy and a proven stretch big which we don't really have currently. I would trade morrow (last year of his contract)and singler for him in a heartbeat because while we need shooting it seems like all our floor spacers play the same position.
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Post#273 » by bondom34 » Thu Feb 2, 2017 10:05 pm

Andre Roberstan wrote:http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/nuggets/2017/02/02/wilson-chandler-nuggets-traded-michael-malone-kenneth-faried/97403000/

Wilson Chandler!

Pretty sure I'd do Cam and Robes for Chandler and Nelson if Denver would. Nelson fits in Ersan's TPE.
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Post#274 » by Andre Roberstan » Thu Feb 2, 2017 10:07 pm

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Andre Roberstan wrote:http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/nuggets/2017/02/02/wilson-chandler-nuggets-traded-michael-malone-kenneth-faried/97403000/

Wilson Chandler!

Pretty sure I'd do Cam and Robes for Chandler and Nelson if Denver would. Nelson fits in Ersan's TPE.


I don't think you can do that under CBA. Have to waive TPE for cap space.
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Post#275 » by bondom34 » Thu Feb 2, 2017 10:08 pm

Andre Roberstan wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
Andre Roberstan wrote:http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/nuggets/2017/02/02/wilson-chandler-nuggets-traded-michael-malone-kenneth-faried/97403000/

Wilson Chandler!

Pretty sure I'd do Cam and Robes for Chandler and Nelson if Denver would. Nelson fits in Ersan's TPE.


I don't think you can do that under CBA. Have to waive TPE for cap space.

Darn. Works on ESPN's checker, but pretty sure it's glitchy.
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Post#276 » by spearsy23 » Thu Feb 2, 2017 10:17 pm

Andre Roberstan wrote:
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Andre Roberstan wrote:http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/nuggets/2017/02/02/wilson-chandler-nuggets-traded-michael-malone-kenneth-faried/97403000/

Wilson Chandler!

Pretty sure I'd do Cam and Robes for Chandler and Nelson if Denver would. Nelson fits in Ersan's TPE.


I don't think you can do that under CBA. Have to waive TPE for cap space.

I think adding morrow makes it work.
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Post#277 » by InTheSabonus » Fri Feb 3, 2017 12:52 am

If we could get rid of Roberson and add Chandler in the process I'd be more than 100% on board. Not sure Payne+Roberson+filer would exactly tide them over, though.
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Post#279 » by ThunderBolt » Fri Feb 3, 2017 3:15 am

Tim Hardaway jr looks pretty impressive tonight.
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Post#280 » by Osirus89 » Fri Feb 3, 2017 3:25 am

Andre Roberstan wrote:http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/nuggets/2017/02/02/wilson-chandler-nuggets-traded-michael-malone-kenneth-faried/97403000/

Wilson Chandler!


I got scared when I saw the article title in the link and thought Wilson Chandler had already been traded. Please jump on this Presti. Russ and Chandler already know each other so just get the deal done please. Don't care how.

Knrstz wrote:Tim Hardaway jr looks pretty impressive tonight.

He might be playing a little too well. Atlanta might not be giving him up for two 2nd rounders now :lol:

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retrobro90 wrote:I've talked to a couple bucks fans who would be willing to sell cheap on Mirza Teletovic. Guy hardly plays for them and is a more than capable rotation guy and a proven stretch big which we don't really have currently. I would trade morrow (last year of his contract)and singler for him in a heartbeat because while we need shooting it seems like all our floor spacers play the same position.

Good find on Teletovic. Only thing is you have to hope Presti doesn't just trade him like he did Ilyasova.

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