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Post#2601 » by Balkman32 » Mon Jul 8, 2019 2:52 am

mr570 wrote:I like their content. Young and Schlecht usually have something interesting to say. Just signed up for OKC Dream Team podcast and I'll find out about Hamm and Horne (I think he's on it?).

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Post#2602 » by spearsy23 » Mon Jul 8, 2019 3:07 am

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ThunderBolt wrote:None of those changes have made our cap space so worthless that we have to take on one of the worst contacts in the league for free. Throw in okogie or culver an it’s a different story. Using cap space to take on bad contracts for funsies isn’t a good move.

The asset is pairing the tax down further and getting out from under roberson's deal. We are not signing a free agent with the upside Wiggins could give you.


This is this is the sort of mindset that led Presti to surrender a first for Dion Waiters.

No it isn't, I'm talking about offering neutral value for a bad contact with potential on a rebuilding team. Risk changes based on the current circumstances.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#2603 » by oreojenkins » Mon Jul 8, 2019 3:08 am

Wiggins is basically DDR lite. I think actual DDR is his ceiling, and we don't really need that moving forward. But there's a range of outcomes to all of this, just think after 5 years we have a pretty good idea who he is and what he'll likely become. Maybe I'm wrong.

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Post#2604 » by spearsy23 » Mon Jul 8, 2019 3:45 am

Oh, we absolutely have a good idea of what he will probably become, but nobody thought Vic was going to be an all Star after his extension either.

Wiggins was pretty good his first two years, he's really struggled as a primary option now. I think there's still a pretty wide range of outcomes for him based on changing his roles to find what fits. I'm open to the idea that it's too much money and risk, but I don't believe we'll be using that money anyway. Last time presti rebuilt he did did it fully, I don't think he'll pull a Philly and add some big money vets to a young core.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#2605 » by Old Man Game » Mon Jul 8, 2019 4:39 am

spearsy23 wrote:
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spearsy23 wrote:The asset is pairing the tax down further and getting out from under roberson's deal. We are not signing a free agent with the upside Wiggins could give you.


This is this is the sort of mindset that led Presti to surrender a first for Dion Waiters.

No it isn't, I'm talking about offering neutral value for a bad contact with potential on a rebuilding team. Risk changes based on the current circumstances.
Is it accurate to call that neutral if you are taking on that contact though? Seems like you're putting yourself in a worse position longer term to save some tax and in the wishing he turns good.

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Post#2606 » by spearsy23 » Mon Jul 8, 2019 6:14 am

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This is this is the sort of mindset that led Presti to surrender a first for Dion Waiters.

No it isn't, I'm talking about offering neutral value for a bad contact with potential on a rebuilding team. Risk changes based on the current circumstances.
Is it accurate to call that neutral if you are taking on that contact though? Seems like you're putting yourself in a worse position longer term to save some tax and in the wishing he turns good.

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I'd call Gallo + robes neutral at best.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#2607 » by Kizz Fastfists » Mon Jul 8, 2019 6:25 am

spearsy23 wrote:I'd call Gallo + robes neutral at best.


If he is healthy I could see some team giving up a first at the deadline for Gallo. Someone like Detroit who will likely be on the playoff bubble could offer Langston Galloway, Tony Snell and a first for Gallo.

Other fringe playoff teams could do something similar. NY could do offer some expiring/team option salary and a Dallas pick if their collection of veterans looks like they will sneak into the playoffs. Gallinari is the type of player who should have more value for an in-season move then he does in the off-season. I think Presti flips him at some point to add to his newly stockpiled war chest. I don't think Roberson gets moved unless he proves he is 100% and then some team could decide they want him for the playoffs.
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Post#2608 » by Dadouv47 » Mon Jul 8, 2019 8:39 am

Too much talk about Wiggins. It's depressing.
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Post#2609 » by BlockCity » Mon Jul 8, 2019 8:45 am

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spearsy23 wrote:I'd call Gallo + robes neutral at best.


If he is healthy I could see some team giving up a first at the deadline for Gallo. Someone like Detroit who will likely be on the playoff bubble could offer Langston Galloway, Tony Snell and a first for Gallo.

Other fringe playoff teams could do something similar. NY could do offer some expiring/team option salary and a Dallas pick if their collection of veterans looks like they will sneak into the playoffs. Gallinari is the type of player who should have more value for an in-season move then he does in the off-season. I think Presti flips him at some point to add to his newly stockpiled war chest. I don't think Roberson gets moved unless he proves he is 100% and then some team could decide they want him for the playoffs.
Flip him to the Blazers for Whiteside and a first when Nurkic is back in February

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Post#2610 » by Pillendreher » Mon Jul 8, 2019 8:48 am

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"I don't know of any player that, when the shot goes up, he doesn't want it to go in," Donovan said
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Post#2611 » by CROklahoma » Mon Jul 8, 2019 9:23 am

Russ is still an elite player in this league, and Presti will expect elite assets to get in a trade including Russ.
If not, I'm fine enjoying few more moments with Russ in OKC until price is payed.

Get a shooter or two alongside Russ and see if he can repeat supernova moments with Dre, Gallo, SGA, XShooterX, Adams (with a jump shot). You can always trade in midst of the deadline when teams are desparate to pull something quick and stupid. I can say I trust Presti a lot after he heisted Clippers.
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Post#2612 » by ThunderBolt » Mon Jul 8, 2019 9:30 am

I don’t know if Toronto would do it, but I’m curious if presti will try to use some of the acquired assets to get Siakam from the raptors. The price would be high but that’s the player I could see Presti trying to target so we don’t bottom out.
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Post#2613 » by Pillendreher » Mon Jul 8, 2019 9:49 am

ThunderBolt wrote:I don’t know if Toronto would do it, but I’m curious if presti will try to use some of the acquired assets to get Siakam from the raptors. The price would be high but that’s the player I could see Presti trying to target so we don’t bottom out.
I don't think he is available. If Toronto tears everything down, he's likely the only guy they'd keep out of whatever is left after Leonard's departure.
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Post#2614 » by ThunderBolt » Mon Jul 8, 2019 10:01 am

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ThunderBolt wrote:I don’t know if Toronto would do it, but I’m curious if presti will try to use some of the acquired assets to get Siakam from the raptors. The price would be high but that’s the player I could see Presti trying to target so we don’t bottom out.
I don't think he is available. If Toronto tears everything down, he's likely the only guy they'd keep out of whatever is left after Leonard's departure.

I don’t either. However if something changes I think Presti would do it.
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Post#2615 » by Kizz Fastfists » Mon Jul 8, 2019 10:05 am

ThunderBolt wrote:I don’t know if Toronto would do it, but I’m curious if presti will try to use some of the acquired assets to get Siakam from the raptors. The price would be high but that’s the player I could see Presti trying to target so we don’t bottom out.


Siakam is getting a max contract next off-season. I don't see Presti jumping into that at the start of a rebuild. I also think Grant gets traded at some point for that reason. If Grant starts the season shooting like he did last year I think he gets traded during the season because he could get a max offer, or close enough Presti won't want to commit that much at this point, in a weak FA class.
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Post#2616 » by ThunderBolt » Mon Jul 8, 2019 10:18 am

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ThunderBolt wrote:I don’t know if Toronto would do it, but I’m curious if presti will try to use some of the acquired assets to get Siakam from the raptors. The price would be high but that’s the player I could see Presti trying to target so we don’t bottom out.


Siakam is getting a max contract next off-season. I don't see Presti jumping into that at the start of a rebuild. I also think Grant gets traded at some point for that reason. If Grant starts the season shooting like he did last year I think he gets traded during the season because he could get a max offer, or close enough Presti won't want to commit that much at this point, in a weak FA class.


I don’t think he’s available but Presti wouldn’t have tried to trade for him if he wasn’t willing to pay him.
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Post#2617 » by Pillendreher » Mon Jul 8, 2019 10:57 am

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:I don’t know if Toronto would do it, but I’m curious if presti will try to use some of the acquired assets to get Siakam from the raptors. The price would be high but that’s the player I could see Presti trying to target so we don’t bottom out.


Siakam is getting a max contract next off-season. I don't see Presti jumping into that at the start of a rebuild. I also think Grant gets traded at some point for that reason. If Grant starts the season shooting like he did last year I think he gets traded during the season because he could get a max offer, or close enough Presti won't want to commit that much at this point, in a weak FA class.
Even if his 3p% holds, he's nowhere close to max. That would be 130/4. Who's insane enough to pay that?!
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Post#2618 » by Dadouv47 » Mon Jul 8, 2019 11:02 am

Siakam is way too expensive.

Seriously speaking, as much as I want a full rebuild. If somehow OKC decides to keep building around Russ, who are you trying to get? You could easy target 2/3 ''good'' players (knowing that Beal/Jrue Holiday aren't available)
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Post#2619 » by slick_watts » Mon Jul 8, 2019 11:16 am

matt moore saying westbrook had a great season is 100% matt moore.
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Post#2620 » by Balkman32 » Mon Jul 8, 2019 11:48 am

spearsy23 wrote:Gallo + robes for Wiggins is really interesting.


For the Wolves? Is Wiggins really the guy we want shaping our young guys?

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