Let's Make a Deal: Thunder Trade Targets

thekaoswithin · Post #2681 » by **thekaoswithin** » Wed Jul 4, 2018 2:52 pm

If Melo is okay with being bought out I like Crabbe for Melo. Brooklyn gets cap space, we get an upgraded Abrines. We could flip Abrines and something for a better backup PG then.

thekaoswithin · Post #2682 » by **thekaoswithin** » Wed Jul 4, 2018 4:47 pm

If Melo agrees to buyout, could we do something with KLove:

IN:

KLove

OUT:

Melo, Ferguson, Patterson, a pair of 2nds or something, maybe a pick swap?

Love fits perfectly into our lineup, he juxtaposes Roberson perfectly and makes our already good rebounding team a crazy good one. Great chemistry with Russ, if we could convince the involved parties it'd be great.

Pillendreher · Post #2683 » by **Pillendreher** » Wed Jul 4, 2018 4:58 pm

thekaoswithin wrote:If Melo agrees to buyout, could we do something with KLove:

IN:

KLove

OUT:

Melo, Ferguson, Patterson, a pair of 2nds or something, maybe a pick swap?

Love fits perfectly into our lineup, he juxtaposes Roberson perfectly and makes our already good rebounding team a crazy good one. Great chemistry with Russ, if we could convince the involved parties it'd be great.

I'd think he has more value than that. On the other hand: How many teams need a PF and could/should offer more?

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Pillendreher · Post #2684 » by **Pillendreher** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 9:34 pm

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23997175/zach-lowe-kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs-lebron-james-los-angeles-lakers-nba

Let's bounce around some potential mystery teams:

[...]

• Oklahoma City/Steven Adams: Go all-in again, Sam Presti! Eh. Presti has taken enough gambles, and Adams is more grunt guy than blue-chip trade headliner.

InTheSabonus · Post #2685 » by **InTheSabonus** » Fri Jul 6, 2018 1:24 am

I wonder if Presti's even interested in Kawhi. It'd be like having Lavar Ball in OKC. And I'm guessing it'd have to be Adams+Ferguson+Abrines+2022 first round pick+2024 first round pick, unless the Spurs go all Pacers on us and ask for less just to spite the Lakers. And while PG was supposedly a sure thing to go to LA, and maybe he could convince Kawhi to stay also, Kawhi seems like genuine trouble that needs to be stayed away from.

Dn4sty · Post #2686 » by **Dn4sty** » Fri Jul 6, 2018 1:32 am

InTheSabonus wrote:I wonder if Presti's even interested in Kawhi. It'd be like having Lavar Ball in OKC. And I'm guessing it'd have to be Adams+Ferguson+Abrines+2022 first round pick+2024 first round pick, unless the Spurs go all Pacers on us and ask for less just to spite the Lakers. And while PG was supposedly a sure thing to go to LA, and maybe he could convince Kawhi to stay also, Kawhi seems like genuine trouble that needs to be stayed away from.

Of course you want Kawhi. This whole drama stuff is there but has been blown out of proportion IMO.

Obviously not saying it will happen, but two guys from LA already made the decision to stay in OKC long term. If anyone could persuade Kawhi to stay in OKC it would be them

InTheSabonus · Post #2687 » by **InTheSabonus** » Fri Jul 6, 2018 1:50 am

Dn4sty wrote:
InTheSabonus wrote:I wonder if Presti's even interested in Kawhi. It'd be like having Lavar Ball in OKC. And I'm guessing it'd have to be Adams+Ferguson+Abrines+2022 first round pick+2024 first round pick, unless the Spurs go all Pacers on us and ask for less just to spite the Lakers. And while PG was supposedly a sure thing to go to LA, and maybe he could convince Kawhi to stay also, Kawhi seems like genuine trouble that needs to be stayed away from.

Of course you want Kawhi. This whole drama stuff is there but has been blown out of proportion IMO.

Obviously not saying it will happen, but two guys from LA already made the decision to stay in OKC long term. If anyone could persuade Kawhi to stay in OKC it would be them

A Westbrook/George/Leonard/Roberson/Grant/Noel/Patterson lineup would be kind of ridiculous.

Post #2688 » by **retrobro90** » Fri Jul 6, 2018 2:20 am

InTheSabonus wrote:
Dn4sty wrote:
InTheSabonus wrote:I wonder if Presti's even interested in Kawhi. It'd be like having Lavar Ball in OKC. And I'm guessing it'd have to be Adams+Ferguson+Abrines+2022 first round pick+2024 first round pick, unless the Spurs go all Pacers on us and ask for less just to spite the Lakers. And while PG was supposedly a sure thing to go to LA, and maybe he could convince Kawhi to stay also, Kawhi seems like genuine trouble that needs to be stayed away from.

Of course you want Kawhi. This whole drama stuff is there but has been blown out of proportion IMO.

Obviously not saying it will happen, but two guys from LA already made the decision to stay in OKC long term. If anyone could persuade Kawhi to stay in OKC it would be them

A Westbrook/George/Leonard/Roberson/Grant/Noel/Patterson lineup would be kind of ridiculous.

7 players on the floor at once. Bold strategy. I like it.

InTheSabonus · Post #2689 » by **InTheSabonus** » Fri Jul 6, 2018 2:49 am

retrobro90 wrote:
InTheSabonus wrote:
Dn4sty wrote:
Of course you want Kawhi. This whole drama stuff is there but has been blown out of proportion IMO.

Obviously not saying it will happen, but two guys from LA already made the decision to stay in OKC long term. If anyone could persuade Kawhi to stay in OKC it would be them

A Westbrook/George/Leonard/Roberson/Grant/Noel/Patterson lineup would be kind of ridiculous.

6 players on the floor at once. Bold strategy. I like it.

Gonna have to resort to some new and weird strategies to beat the warriors.

kdthunderup · Post #2690 » by **kdthunderup** » Fri Jul 6, 2018 8:16 am

So rumours are that Cavs are exploring trade options for Love. Im wondering if we could offer Melo+Patterson and some future picks and that could possibly be enough. Only problem is Melo waiving his NTC, but if he isn't wanted on the team surely he opts out of this situation?

Pillendreher · Post #2691 » by **Pillendreher** » Fri Jul 6, 2018 9:58 am

kdthunderup wrote:So rumours are that Cavs are exploring trade options for Love. Im wondering if we could offer Melo+Patterson and some future picks and that could possibly be enough. Only problem is Melo waiving his NTC, but if he isn't wanted on the team surely he opts out of this situation?

I don't know if there is a realistic trade for him. What's his market? What's his value? And what's gonna happen in future years with the tax?

InTheSabonus · Post #2692 » by **InTheSabonus** » Fri Jul 6, 2018 11:48 am

Pillendreher wrote:
kdthunderup wrote:So rumours are that Cavs are exploring trade options for Love. Im wondering if we could offer Melo+Patterson and some future picks and that could possibly be enough. Only problem is Melo waiving his NTC, but if he isn't wanted on the team surely he opts out of this situation?

I don't know if there is a realistic trade for him. What's his market? What's his value? And what's gonna happen in future years with the tax?

I think we should stay away from Love, even if we could move Melo in the process. I'm good with giving up assets if it means we get someone that could give us even a sniff of maybe taking down Golden State- not to get someone that is borderline useless against them. And I think the league has moved away from a big that can't defend at power forward or center. It's tempting from the perspective of just assemble talent and worry about everything else later, but we've seen that if you want the most out of Love he needs the ball in his hands, not just parked on the perimeter as a spot up shooter. But that's exactly what we'd do. I'm gonna say good stats, bad team guy and instead try to either trade for a talented wing or invest in the wings we've already got.

Post #2693 » by **slick_watts** » Fri Jul 6, 2018 12:37 pm

trade carmelo anthony to atlanta for kent bazemore, jaylen morris, and antonius cleveland. thunder cut morris and cleveland, who are both non guaranteed. atlanta buys out carmelo anthony as part of a pre-arranged buyout agreement.

trade alex abrines with a 2nd round pick or two to some team with $5mm cap space.

stretch kyle singler.

results: 100mm off 2018-19 tax bill. 50mm tax next year with all options picked up. atlanta saves on bazemore's 2019-20 season and probably a small set-off as well if carmelo signs elsewhere after the buy out.

maybe atlanta needs more compensation to do that. at this point, i think a deal like this is the only way to extract even a small amount of value out of the melo situation while also making a dent large enough in the tax that moves the needle.

oreojenkins · Post #2694 » by **oreojenkins** » Fri Jul 6, 2018 5:38 pm

Melo, $3 million, future 1st to Chicago for Justin Holiday. If you protect the pick like top-3 or something, throw in a 2nd. Something like that is the best I can hope for really. Bazemore would be fine, just not sure they want that 2nd year on the books. But then again, probably wouldn't cost a 1st rounder.

Pillendreher · Post #2695 » by **Pillendreher** » Fri Jul 6, 2018 5:53 pm

slick_watts wrote:trade carmelo anthony to atlanta for kent bazemore, jaylen morris, and antonius cleveland. thunder cut morris and cleveland, who are both non guaranteed.

It just came to me that unguaranteed contracts are treated differently under the new CBA. Both of these guys signed under the current CBA, hence they don't count I'm afraid. See

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

Appendix: Significant differences between 2017 and 2011 CBAs

2011: The outgoing salary amount for trade purposes includes non-guaranteed salary
2017: The outgoing salary amount for trade purposes does not include non-guaranteed salary (new contracts and extensions only)

Post #2696 » by **ThunderBolt** » Fri Jul 6, 2018 9:06 pm

Russ’ mvp season a lot of us talked about adding Wilson chandler. It seemed like nuggets fans had a high price for him. At the trade deadline a report came out that talks between OKC and Denver had stalled and we moved on to other targets. A year later they are using cash and a second round pick to dump him. I know it’s alwas hard to know when a player will decline but we dodged a bullet and Denver messed up.

Pillendreher · Post #2697 » by **Pillendreher** » Fri Jul 6, 2018 9:16 pm

Knrstz wrote:Russ’ mvp season a lot of us talked about adding Wilson chandler. It seemed like nuggets fans had a high price for him. At the trade deadline a report came out that talks between OKC and Denver had stalled and we moved on to other targets. A year later they are using cash and a second round pick to dump him. I know it’s alwas hard to know when a player will decline but we dodged a bullet and Denver messed up.

To be fair Chandler had been on this trajectory for years. He was always one of those guys whose reputation greatly exceeded this performance on the court.

DoItALL9 · Post #2698 » by **DoItALL9** » Fri Jul 6, 2018 11:46 pm

The Lakers trade Deng for Carmelo.
The Thunder could then stretch Deng and save major money money.
The Lakers get to get a LeBron pal while also clearing 2019 summer cap space for someone else.

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Post #2699 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sat Jul 7, 2018 12:57 am

If kings get Lavine then Hield has to be available.

Thunder Up · Post #2700 » by **Thunder Up** » Sat Jul 7, 2018 1:08 am

Knrstz wrote:If kings get Lavine then Hield has to be available.

Abrines + Singler for Buddy all day long

Seriously though Buddy would look unbelievable on this squad.. if Sam makes that happen and nothing else the rest of the way (other than stretching Melo) I would be ready for this second round minimum appearance