2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion

[Andre Roberstan]

Guys, I just came up with the best idea.

Since Charlotte seems to want all the bad white players...







let's trade them Kyle Singler.

[ThunderBolt]

What can we get for Oladipo?

[Kizz Fastfists]

What can we get for Oladipo?

Right now? Practically nothing with his poison pill contract. In the off-season a few lesser players or maybe a top 5 draft pick from a team that feels they are ready to jump into the playoffs/contention, but need a good 3&D SG like Philly or Boston. If the Brooklyn pick ends up being #4/5 then Boston could be an option. Philly's pick could be an option and they have swap rights with Sacramento, assuming they take their PG with the Lakers' pick.

[Osirus89]

What can we get for Oladipo?

Right now? Practically nothing with his poison pill contract. In the off-season a few lesser players or maybe a top 5 draft pick from a team that feels they are ready to jump into the playoffs/contention, but need a good 3&D SG like Philly or Boston. If the Brooklyn pick ends up being #4/5 then Boston could be an option. Philly's pick could be an option and they have swap rights with Sacramento, assuming they take their PG with the Lakers' pick.

I was actually thinking about this scenario the other day because I was trying to think of a way for OKC to move into the top ten in this draft because I really like Jonathan Isaac. Out of the teams "currently" in the top ten, I think the teams that would be interested in Victor would be Miami, Sacramento, New Orleans, and possibly philly. If the Lakers fall out of the top three, there is a really good chance that the second pick for Philly will be available for the right trade. They already have Embiid, Simmons occupying two spots. I agree they will take the best remaining point guard with their first pick. (Smith Jr, Fox, Ntilikina). So that leaves PF and SG as the spots up for grabs. They might resign Ilyasova or they can slide Saric to the four. Stauskas is currently the starting SG so I don't think they would mind an upgrade. PG, Oladipo, Simmons, Daric/illyasova, Embiid is not a bad lineup. I would caution being too eager to trade Victor for a pick though unless you are getting Isaac or Tatum. Josh jackson is going in the top 3 without fail. Most of the rest of the top 10 are pgs who would be wasted on this team.

[ThunderBolt]

What can we get for Oladipo?

Right now? Practically nothing with his poison pill contract. In the off-season a few lesser players or maybe a top 5 draft pick from a team that feels they are ready to jump into the playoffs/contention, but need a good 3&D SG like Philly or Boston. If the Brooklyn pick ends up being #4/5 then Boston could be an option. Philly's pick could be an option and they have swap rights with Sacramento, assuming they take their PG with the Lakers' pick.

That might be worth looking in to. A really good rookie can contribute their first year. If we lose Vic, we lose Vic that's 15-16pg. That's more easily replaceable than Durants 30ppg. Plus, if we move him and one more option, likely Kanter, we can bring in another very good player.

Also, am I nuts with my CJ McCollum idea? Trade Adams for mcollum. Then make a move for a good young big like WCS from Sacramento. I realize Adams is our second best player, but it might be easier to replace a big than it would to find another playemaker. Portland needs a guy like Adams in a terrible way. First question, is this a possibility? Second, would this make us a better team?

Westbrook / Westbrook
Adams / WCS
Sabonis / Sabonis
Oladipo / Mcollum
Roberson / Roberson

6-th Kanter. / Oladipo

[Kizz Fastfists]

Also, am I nuts with my CJ McCollum idea? Trade Adams for mcollum. Then make a move for a good young big like WCS from Sacramento. I realize Adams is our second best player, but it might be easier to replace a big than it would to find another playemaker. Portland needs a guy like Adams in a terrible way. First question, is this a possibility? Second, would this make us a better team?

Westbrook / Westbrook
Adams / WCS
Sabonis / Sabonis
Oladipo / Mcollum
Roberson / Roberson

6-th Kanter. / Oladipo

I'm really high on McCollum, but I'm pretty sure Portland wouldn't do that. What are you going to give Sacramento for WCS? I'm surprised WCS or Noel aren't already in Boston since a defensive anchor is their biggest need and they have a ton of assets to make something work.

[ThunderBolt]

Also, am I nuts with my CJ McCollum idea? Trade Adams for mcollum. Then make a move for a good young big like WCS from Sacramento. I realize Adams is our second best player, but it might be easier to replace a big than it would to find another playemaker. Portland needs a guy like Adams in a terrible way. First question, is this a possibility? Second, would this make us a better team?

Westbrook / Westbrook
Adams / WCS
Sabonis / Sabonis
Oladipo / Mcollum
Roberson / Roberson

6-th Kanter. / Oladipo

I'm really high on McCollum, but I'm pretty sure Portland wouldn't do that. What are you going to give Sacramento for WCS? I'm surprised WCS or Noel aren't already in Boston since a defensive anchor is their biggest need and they have a ton of assets to make something work.

I agree that Portland may not want Adams for McCollum. I wouldn't give up any more pieces for CJ if they didn't do that. If they said yes, I said your pursue WCS and Wilson chandler by offering two of our young assets, Payne and abrines. Neither one on their own is enough to make either trade happen. So could adding in guys like morrow, grant, Roberson or lauvergne make the deal possible? I don't know but that would be the basis of each trade. I would prefer to keep sabonis. If push comes to shove, maybe sabonis gets moved but as a last resort. That leaves the roster pretty thin. However we will have a draft pick we can add to the roster and have Oladipo and kanter left to move. I think you mentioned that Vic could possibly be moved to a place like Philly for some assets/draft pick. Between Vic and Kanter, could the bench be fortified enough to replace what we would lose to go after WCS and chandler? That's what I'm hoping. Russ would look at this team and still see some youth with promise, but also some veterans he could trust to ease offensive pressure. Also if sabonis develops, could he occasionally play the 5 in a smallball lineup? No go ahead and crush my dreams, Kizz.

[Kizz Fastfists]

I could see Sacramento doing Payne and Abrines for WCS. Adams, Abrines and Payne for McCollum and WCS. I like it. It would have to be done in the off-season since Adams and McCollum have poison pill contracts making the salary swap way off until their new contracts kick in. I just think Portland would be a hard no on trading for McCollum unless is an overpay like Dipo and Adams for McCollum and Crabbe.

[bondom34]

You guys know WCS isn't very good right? Like can't get minutes on a bad team not good.

[Pillendreher]

You guys know WCS isn't very good right? Like can't get minutes on a bad team not good.

I'd take a flyer on him, but only without giving up anything of value.

[ThunderBolt]

You guys know WCS isn't very good right? Like can't get minutes on a bad team not good.

When he gets minutes, he produces. He's just stuck behind cousins and has a coach who has benched players that were productive last year, like WCSand casspi. I'm not saying he's an all star but I think he has potential.

[bondom34]

You guys know WCS isn't very good right? Like can't get minutes on a bad team not good.

When he gets minutes, he produces. He's just stuck behind cousins and has a coach who has benched players that were productive last year, like WCSand casspi. I'm not saying he's an all star but I think he has potential.

Define "productive". Because he's barely a positive defender w/ RPM and awful offensively. And he's not even young for his rookie class. He's older than Steven. Worse rebounder and shot blocker. Sacto seems to want to dump him more than anything and people are talking about trading Adams.

[ThunderBolt]

You guys know WCS isn't very good right? Like can't get minutes on a bad team not good.

When he gets minutes, he produces. He's just stuck behind cousins and has a coach who has benched players that were productive last year, like WCSand casspi. I'm not saying he's an all star but I think he has potential.

Define "productive". Because he's barely a positive defender w/ RPM and awful offensively. And he's not even young for his rookie class. He's older than Steven. Worse rebounder and shot blocker. Sacto seems to want to dump him more than anything and people are talking about trading Adams.

WCS wouldn't be the centerpiece of the deal. The key is to get McCollum and Chandler, and find a young good rim protector. If Nurkic or another better option is available, I would do that.

[Marcus50]

You guys know WCS isn't very good right? Like can't get minutes on a bad team not good.

When he gets minutes, he produces. He's just stuck behind cousins and has a coach who has benched players that were productive last year, like WCSand casspi. I'm not saying he's an all star but I think he has potential.

Define "productive". Because he's barely a positive defender w/ RPM and awful offensively. And he's not even young for his rookie class. He's older than Steven. Worse rebounder and shot blocker. Sacto seems to want to dump him more than anything and people are talking about trading Adams.

Given the lack of space, Adams is being forced to work in right now I think has plenty of offensive upside to come if Presti can find a wing who can shoot and play some level of defence. I would not trade him, we are bot going to attract a Mark Gasol type replacement

[ThunderBolt]

The reason I suggest trading Adams isn't because I don't think he's valuable. If you don't trade him, what are you going to be able to get if you trade Vic or Kanter? I'm not saying my option is the only way, but i have yet to see anyone else offer a path back to the top of the western conference. People use Houston as an example but I don't think that's a great comparison. As has been mentioned, Houston didn't rebuild overnight. Also, has anyone noticed they have been struggling as of late?

[bondom34]

The reason I suggest trading Adams isn't because I don't think he's valuable. If you don't trade him, what are you going to be able to get if you trade Vic or Kanter? I'm not saying my option is the only way, but i have yet to see anyone else offer a path back to the top of the western conference. People use Houston as an example but I don't think that's a great comparison. As has been mentioned, Houston didn't rebuild overnight. Also, has anyone noticed they have been struggling as of late?

Kanter for a wing. Matthews was a guy we liked earlier this year. Russ and Adams are the 2 you keep no matter what barring a superstar freeing up. Vic maybe, but I don't see an attainable upgrade near his value. Heck Kanter for Harkless/Davis, or to NOLA. Team doesn't need a star if you keep Adams, if you move him you need a star and a replacement for him

And every team struggles.

[ThunderBolt]

The reason I suggest trading Adams isn't because I don't think he's valuable. If you don't trade him, what are you going to be able to get if you trade Vic or Kanter? I'm not saying my option is the only way, but i have yet to see anyone else offer a path back to the top of the western conference. People use Houston as an example but I don't think that's a great comparison. As has been mentioned, Houston didn't rebuild overnight. Also, has anyone noticed they have been struggling as of late?

Kanter for a wing. Matthews was a guy we liked earlier this year. Russ and Adams are the 2 you keep no matter what barring a superstar freeing up. Vic maybe, but I don't see an attainable upgrade near his value. Heck Kanter for Harkless/Davis, or to NOLA. Team doesn't need a star if you keep Adams, if you move him you need a star and a replacement for him

And every team struggles.

Yes every team struggles but maybe Houstons improvement wasn't quite as significant as we thought. Time will tell. Matthews would help, but I hate that he's 30 years old. Maybe you're right and Matthews makes the difference and allows Adams to becomes more dominant. I have my doubts. Maybe I'm too eager to trade the wrong guy. I do think a lot of people on these forums think trading Payne, Roberson and Kanter will make us significantly better. I just don't see it. If we keep Russ I just don't want to be content to be a treadmill team. Maybe there's no way around that but I sure as heck hope we try to find a way. I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

[bondom34]

The reason I suggest trading Adams isn't because I don't think he's valuable. If you don't trade him, what are you going to be able to get if you trade Vic or Kanter? I'm not saying my option is the only way, but i have yet to see anyone else offer a path back to the top of the western conference. People use Houston as an example but I don't think that's a great comparison. As has been mentioned, Houston didn't rebuild overnight. Also, has anyone noticed they have been struggling as of late?

Kanter for a wing. Matthews was a guy we liked earlier this year. Russ and Adams are the 2 you keep no matter what barring a superstar freeing up. Vic maybe, but I don't see an attainable upgrade near his value. Heck Kanter for Harkless/Davis, or to NOLA. Team doesn't need a star if you keep Adams, if you move him you need a star and a replacement for him

And every team struggles.

Yes every team struggles but maybe Houstons improvement wasn't quite as significant as we thought. Time will tell. Matthews would help, but I hate that he's 30 years old. Maybe you're right and Matthews makes the difference and allows Adams to becomes more dominant. I have my doubts. Maybe I'm too eager to trade the wrong guy. I do think a lot of people on these forums think trading Payne, Roberson and Kanter will make us significantly better. I just don't see it. If we keep Russ I just don't want to be content to be a treadmill team. Maybe there's no way around that but I sure as heck hope we try to find a way. I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

If you trade your really good young players for other players who aren't any better you're not improving. People are way underrating what Adams does to this team, not only on court but off. From everything I've seen he's got essentially Perk's old job in the locker room and he actually plays well enough to earn his contract. Move off Robes/Kanter/Cam. Maybe Dipo if there's a really good offer but I think he's a guy who if you move to the bench would thrive.

I'd move Kanter for a starting wing, move Vic to the bench. Maybe someone ends up wanting to join up in free agency who knows. But right now nothing crazy mid season and see what the offseason brings.

As for teams struggling, so have the Cavs. But they're still good too.

[ThunderBolt]

Kanter for a wing. Matthews was a guy we liked earlier this year. Russ and Adams are the 2 you keep no matter what barring a superstar freeing up. Vic maybe, but I don't see an attainable upgrade near his value. Heck Kanter for Harkless/Davis, or to NOLA. Team doesn't need a star if you keep Adams, if you move him you need a star and a replacement for him

And every team struggles.

Yes every team struggles but maybe Houstons improvement wasn't quite as significant as we thought. Time will tell. Matthews would help, but I hate that he's 30 years old. Maybe you're right and Matthews makes the difference and allows Adams to becomes more dominant. I have my doubts. Maybe I'm too eager to trade the wrong guy. I do think a lot of people on these forums think trading Payne, Roberson and Kanter will make us significantly better. I just don't see it. If we keep Russ I just don't want to be content to be a treadmill team. Maybe there's no way around that but I sure as heck hope we try to find a way. I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

If you trade your really good young players for other players who aren't any better you're not improving. People are way underrating what Adams does to this team, not only on court but off. From everything I've seen he's got essentially Perk's old job in the locker room and he actually plays well enough to earn his contract. Move off Robes/Kanter/Cam. Maybe Dipo if there's a really good offer but I think he's a guy who if you move to the bench would thrive.

I'd move Kanter for a starting wing, move Vic to the bench. Maybe someone ends up wanting to join up in free agency who knows. But right now nothing crazy mid season and see what the offseason brings.

As for teams struggling, so have the Cavs. But they're still good too.

I don't think I'm undervaluing Adams. He's our second best player and I would want someone as good as CJ. He is a very good player to get in return. Watching Russ last night was amazing but he can't do this alone. Maybe Adams offense explodes with a good wing. Despite a clogged paint, Russ still seems to be able to get to the rim. Again, it's not the Adams isn't great. I love his hustle and his attitude. I'm just wondering if a guy like CJ makes us a better team.

[spearsy23]

Kanter for a wing. Matthews was a guy we liked earlier this year. Russ and Adams are the 2 you keep no matter what barring a superstar freeing up. Vic maybe, but I don't see an attainable upgrade near his value. Heck Kanter for Harkless/Davis, or to NOLA. Team doesn't need a star if you keep Adams, if you move him you need a star and a replacement for him

And every team struggles.

Yes every team struggles but maybe Houstons improvement wasn't quite as significant as we thought. Time will tell. Matthews would help, but I hate that he's 30 years old. Maybe you're right and Matthews makes the difference and allows Adams to becomes more dominant. I have my doubts. Maybe I'm too eager to trade the wrong guy. I do think a lot of people on these forums think trading Payne, Roberson and Kanter will make us significantly better. I just don't see it. If we keep Russ I just don't want to be content to be a treadmill team. Maybe there's no way around that but I sure as heck hope we try to find a way. I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

If you trade your really good young players for other players who aren't any better you're not improving. People are way underrating what Adams does to this team, not only on court but off. From everything I've seen he's got essentially Perk's old job in the locker room and he actually plays well enough to earn his contract. Move off Robes/Kanter/Cam. Maybe Dipo if there's a really good offer but I think he's a guy who if you move to the bench would thrive.

I'd move Kanter for a starting wing, move Vic to the bench. Maybe someone ends up wanting to join up in free agency who knows. But right now nothing crazy mid season and see what the offseason brings.

As for teams struggling, so have the Cavs. But they're still good too.

Nobody can join in free agency unless you move vic or Steven. I agree I'd prefer it be vic, but if you can get good value for Steven he should be available as well.