Player of the Day: Andre Roberson

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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#281 » by slick_watts » Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:59 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:Well, I wouldn't denigrate another coach for breaking down game film of his own team, or an upcoming opponent. That's not the case here though. He's just 'showing how it's done'(?), in this case to 'challenge the conventional wisdom' that Westbrook/the team weren't just padding his rebound stats (it was pretty clear they were). Spending 10 hours to do so, for the blogosphere intelligentsia :lol:


i'm showing you how to go about making a point and how to find evidence for your argument when the conventional wisdom doesn't follow and the tools are insufficient. you accused someone of 'lazy analysis' earlier in this discussion. from where i'm sitting, the lazy one appears to be you.

if you'd prefer to just shout your opinions from the top of the tallest building, that's fine. just call them your opinions, i'll leave you alone and we can "agree to disagree". but you continue to join in on these debates, continue to use labels like 'stat nerds' or whatever, and then cry or whine when a heavyweight comes along asking you where your evidence is. disparaging me for spending time researching basketball on a basketball forum, for a basketball forum, in the middle of a basketball debate is stupid. you sound like a climate change denier.
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#282 » by hardenASG13 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:30 pm

Well, it's looking pretty clear they are going to be reducing his role this year, the D is more than capable without him, while he doesn't belong on the court offensively. Welcome to reality. Don't they realize he's been a net positive! :wink:
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Post#283 » by slick_watts » Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:04 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:Well, it's looking pretty clear they are going to be reducing his role this year, the D is more than capable without him, while he doesn't belong on the court offensively. Welcome to reality. Don't they realize he's been a net positive! :wink:


you're bragging over a lineup decision from a man who decided to play jerami grant at center last night.
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Post#284 » by hardenASG13 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:20 pm

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hardenASG13 wrote:Well, it's looking pretty clear they are going to be reducing his role this year, the D is more than capable without him, while he doesn't belong on the court offensively. Welcome to reality. Don't they realize he's been a net positive! :wink:


you're bragging over a lineup decision from a man who decided to play jerami grant at center last night.


No I'm just happy to see them realizing that Roberson doesn't deserve nearly the role he's had in the past with this year's roster. The defense is fine without him. The teams offense will obviously come around.
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#285 » by slick_watts » Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:35 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:
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hardenASG13 wrote:Well, it's looking pretty clear they are going to be reducing his role this year, the D is more than capable without him, while he doesn't belong on the court offensively. Welcome to reality. Don't they realize he's been a net positive! :wink:


you're bragging over a lineup decision from a man who decided to play jerami grant at center last night.


No I'm just happy to see them realizing that Roberson doesn't deserve nearly the role he's had in the past with this year's roster. The defense is fine without him. The teams offense will obviously come around.


the defense is not 'fine' without him, it hasn't been for three seasons. i thought we had been through this?
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Post#286 » by bbms » Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:12 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:Well, it's looking pretty clear they are going to be reducing his role this year, the D is more than capable without him, while he doesn't belong on the court offensively. Welcome to reality. Don't they realize he's been a net positive! :wink:


Such a blowout. Such a beautiful performance by Abrines and Grant...

Roberson is our 4th best player.

Was it just me or the offense actually looked better yesterday with Robes on?

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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#287 » by Atomic Punk » Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:58 pm

slick_watts wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:
slick_watts wrote:
you're bragging over a lineup decision from a man who decided to play jerami grant at center last night.


No I'm just happy to see them realizing that Roberson doesn't deserve nearly the role he's had in the past with this year's roster. The defense is fine without him. The teams offense will obviously come around.


the defense is not 'fine' without him, it hasn't been for three seasons. i thought we had been through this?


Completely agree with slick on this point.
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#288 » by RalphSampsonJr » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:57 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:Well, it's looking pretty clear they are going to be reducing his role this year, the D is more than capable without him, while he doesn't belong on the court offensively. Welcome to reality. Don't they realize he's been a net positive! :wink:


I had a feeling you would come on here after last game.
Robes played a lot fewer minutes and we got beat easily By a team we shouldn't of.
Abrines has no clue on defense.
Aw but he can shoot you say?! He was 25% from 3 while Robes was 100%
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Post#289 » by hardenASG13 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:37 pm

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hardenASG13 wrote:Well, it's looking pretty clear they are going to be reducing his role this year, the D is more than capable without him, while he doesn't belong on the court offensively. Welcome to reality. Don't they realize he's been a net positive! :wink:


I had a feeling you would come on here after last game.
Robes played a lot fewer minutes and we got beat easily By a team we shouldn't of.
Abrines has no clue on defense.
Aw but he can shoot you say?! He was 25% from 3 while Robes was 100%


So your stance is that if Roberson had played more they would have won? I can think of a few other reasons they may have lost. Defense was not the issue. Not sure how anyone can attribute that loss to anything but extremely bad shooting from basically everyone and turnovers. The defense was keeping them in the game, despite their offensive struggles, which were severe.
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Post#290 » by bondom34 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:39 pm

Against one of the worst offensive teams in the league, they were decent defensively, and Grant was abysmal. The Knicks and Jazz are not good offenses. This is a big issue.
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#291 » by RalphSampsonJr » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:27 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:
RalphSampsonJr wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:Well, it's looking pretty clear they are going to be reducing his role this year, the D is more than capable without him, while he doesn't belong on the court offensively. Welcome to reality. Don't they realize he's been a net positive! :wink:


I had a feeling you would come on here after last game.
Robes played a lot fewer minutes and we got beat easily By a team we shouldn't of.
Abrines has no clue on defense.
Aw but he can shoot you say?! He was 25% from 3 while Robes was 100%


So your stance is that if Roberson had played more they would have won? I can think of a few other reasons they may have lost. Defense was not the issue. Not sure how anyone can attribute that loss to anything but extremely bad shooting from basically everyone and turnovers. The defense was keeping them in the game, despite their offensive struggles, which were severe.


Roberson didn't struggle he was 100% fg that game. Should of played more. Abrines got lost far too often on defense. Grant has the bball iq of a (Please Use More Appropriate Word) too
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#292 » by sleestak33 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:00 am

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Post#293 » by verysalt » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:47 am

Dude lost your game yesterday. If not those super stupid misses or mistakes made by Roberson you would be on the right side of the fence.
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#294 » by bondom34 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:39 pm

verysalt wrote:Dude lost your game yesterday. If not those super stupid misses or mistakes made by Roberson you would be on the right side of the fence.

Or if PG played like a star. Or anyone else defended. Or Melo shot better. Or Russ wasnt trash.

Really.
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#295 » by slick_watts » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:42 pm

two air balled free throws are not worth any more or less than ordinary misses. this fuss about airballs makes no sense and only serves to deepen whatever head issues roberson is going thru. fans should be supportive of him. it's obviously a mental issue since he was a 55-60% FT shooter in college and when he first got into the league.
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#296 » by sleestak33 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:48 pm

slick_watts wrote:two air balled free throws are not worth any more or less than ordinary misses. this fuss about airballs makes no sense and only serves to deepen whatever head issues roberson is going thru. fans should be supportive of him. it's obviously a mental issue since he was a 55-60% FT shooter in college and when he first got into the league.


Yep..after 4 years in the NBA we should continue to support his regressing offense which can only be labelled at this point "comical". He's now 1-10 on 3 pointers this season if you count preseason games and has airballed the only 2 free throws he has shot. It's almost as if you fans who support him are co-dependents in an alcoholic relationship. You just continue to think that somehow after 4 years of trying to develop this kid things are going to change.
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Post#297 » by slick_watts » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:52 pm

sleestak33 wrote:You just continue to think that somehow after 4 years of trying to develop this kid things are going to change.


they don't need to change, he's a good player even with the flaws that he has. i don't think he's going to develop into even an average offensive contributor but he does not have to in order to support his value and spot in the rotation.
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#298 » by hardenASG13 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:15 pm

slick_watts wrote:two air balled free throws are not worth any more or less than ordinary misses. this fuss about airballs makes no sense and only serves to deepen whatever head issues roberson is going thru. fans should be supportive of him. it's obviously a mental issue since he was a 55-60% FT shooter in college and when he first got into the league.



Surely you can't think the fts were his only problem. He was a disaster, the missed open layup, doesn't dribble, doesn't shoot, misses badly when he does, travels, charges. Grants game would basically be a career best for him. He will be benched completely soon.
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#299 » by slick_watts » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:18 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:
slick_watts wrote:two air balled free throws are not worth any more or less than ordinary misses. this fuss about airballs makes no sense and only serves to deepen whatever head issues roberson is going thru. fans should be supportive of him. it's obviously a mental issue since he was a 55-60% FT shooter in college and when he first got into the league.



Surely you can't think the fts were his only problem. He was a disaster, the missed open layup, doesn't dribble, doesn't shoot, misses badly when he does, travels, charges. Grants game would basically be a career best for him. He will be benched completely soon.


the only conclusion i can come to in these conversations is that you do not understand defense.
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#300 » by RalphSampsonJr » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:51 pm

slick_watts wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:
slick_watts wrote:two air balled free throws are not worth any more or less than ordinary misses. this fuss about airballs makes no sense and only serves to deepen whatever head issues roberson is going thru. fans should be supportive of him. it's obviously a mental issue since he was a 55-60% FT shooter in college and when he first got into the league.



Surely you can't think the fts were his only problem. He was a disaster, the missed open layup, doesn't dribble, doesn't shoot, misses badly when he does, travels, charges. Grants game would basically be a career best for him. He will be benched completely soon.


the only conclusion i can come to in these conversations is that you do not understand defense.


Thats got to be it!

these guys seem to have this idea in their head that each team just gets a turn to shoot without the other team trying to prevent it.
"Why have someone that is good at preventing the opposing team from scoring on the floor?! thats a waste!.."

Did anyone see how quick the wolves were to attack Abrines? they were posting him up with whoever! i think i even saw Teague post him up!
NBA coaches do their homework.. they know who can defend and who cant. Abrines cant and they went straight at him.. getting foul shots everytime! which they converted unlike the thunder!

the fact that this is not picked up by some of these antiRobersons proves they dont understand defense.
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