Thunder Offseason Thread

[Kizz Fastfists]

I seriously doubt Tolliver get anything more than a vet minimum.

I also don’t think this trade is crazy

Schroder and 21

For

Warren and 32

Last off-season Tolliver signed for the full tax MLE. What did he do that decreased his value? Why does Phoenix do that? They wouldn't give Atlanta anything for Schroder last year which is why he ended up in OKC with Atlanta buying out Melo. How did Schroder go from no value to Warren? Why does Phoenix want to get rid of Warren? If Phoenix ends up with the #2 pick they will likely draft Morant and have no need for a PG. If Cleveland gets #2 and Phoenix #3 then Phoenix still likely gets Morant unless Cleveland is going to draft Morant and trade Sexton. In which case Phoenix could throw #3 for Sexton and more picks and have a younger, cheaper and better PG then Schroder.

[bondom34]

I seriously doubt Tolliver get anything more than a vet minimum.

I also don’t think this trade is crazy

Schroder and 21

For

Warren and 32

Last off-season Tolliver signed for the full tax MLE. What did he do that decreased his value? Why does Phoenix do that? They wouldn't give Atlanta anything for Schroder last year which is why he ended up in OKC with Atlanta buying out Melo. How did Schroder go from no value to Warren? Why does Phoenix want to get rid of Warren? If Phoenix ends up with the #2 pick they will likely draft Morant and have no need for a PG. If Cleveland gets #2 and Phoenix #3 then Phoenix still likely gets Morant unless Cleveland is going to draft Morant and trade Sexton. In which case Phoenix could throw #3 for Sexton and more picks and have a younger, cheaper and better PG then Schroder.

I agree on the trade but Tolly didn't play much ans isn't that good. Min may be his market.

[Dn4sty]

I seriously doubt Tolliver get anything more than a vet minimum.

I also don’t think this trade is crazy

Schroder and 21

For

Warren and 32

Last off-season Tolliver signed for the full tax MLE. What did he do that decreased his value? Why does Phoenix do that? They wouldn't give Atlanta anything for Schroder last year which is why he ended up in OKC with Atlanta buying out Melo. How did Schroder go from no value to Warren? Why does Phoenix want to get rid of Warren? If Phoenix ends up with the #2 pick they will likely draft Morant and have no need for a PG. If Cleveland gets #2 and Phoenix #3 then Phoenix still likely gets Morant unless Cleveland is going to draft Morant and trade Sexton. In which case Phoenix could throw #3 for Sexton and more picks and have a younger, cheaper and better PG then Schroder.

I agree on the trade but Tolly didn't play much ans isn't that good. Min may be his market.

I think the trade is a bit ambitious for sure, yet Warren has struggled to stay healthy, we arent sure if he’s going to be able to replicate his 3 point success (sample size), and he block two players that Phoenix really needs to develop (Bridges and Jackson).

I say all of this as someone who is not a Schorder fan at all.

[bondom34]

Last off-season Tolliver signed for the full tax MLE. What did he do that decreased his value? Why does Phoenix do that? They wouldn't give Atlanta anything for Schroder last year which is why he ended up in OKC with Atlanta buying out Melo. How did Schroder go from no value to Warren? Why does Phoenix want to get rid of Warren? If Phoenix ends up with the #2 pick they will likely draft Morant and have no need for a PG. If Cleveland gets #2 and Phoenix #3 then Phoenix still likely gets Morant unless Cleveland is going to draft Morant and trade Sexton. In which case Phoenix could throw #3 for Sexton and more picks and have a younger, cheaper and better PG then Schroder.

I agree on the trade but Tolly didn't play much ans isn't that good. Min may be his market.

I think the trade is a bit ambitious for sure, yet Warren has struggled to stay healthy, we arent sure if he’s going to be able to replicate his 3 point success (sample size), and he block two players that Phoenix really needs to develop (Bridges and Jackson).

I say all of this as someone who is not a Schorder fan at all.

Agree on Warren, but his shot came around. The injuries are the question that could make you right though. Part of me wonders if Barton could be on the market too.

[Dn4sty]

I agree on the trade but Tolly didn't play much ans isn't that good. Min may be his market.

I think the trade is a bit ambitious for sure, yet Warren has struggled to stay healthy, we arent sure if he’s going to be able to replicate his 3 point success (sample size), and he block two players that Phoenix really needs to develop (Bridges and Jackson).

I say all of this as someone who is not a Schorder fan at all.

Agree on Warren, but his shot came around. The injuries are the question that could make you right though. Part of me wonders if Barton could be on the market too.

Also wonder if this deal is somewhat realistic

OKC gets Prince and pick 41 or 42 (although I’d shoot for pick 35)
Hawks get pick 21 and 2Pat

[Pillendreher]

What would Pricen's role be on this team? He's a Small Forward. We already feature one of those very prominently.

[CROklahoma]

We need one more corner guys who do nothing but play defense and shoot 3s

[wco81]

Price is a good young player. But the Thunder have big money committed to PG13 and Price is coming up for extension.

Main thing about him is if the Hawks are willing to give him away or take very little. They have a young core and he doesn't figure in their plans, apparently. Plus Bembry gave them some production this year and is going to be a lot cheaper for the next couple of years.

[slick_watts]

i have my doubts that any team that could have acquired schroder for free last summer (e.g. phoenix) would have renewed interest this summer.

[Dadouv47]

Guess we will still try to go after Tyreke Evans but not sure it's worth it since he will want to have a big salary.

[SecondTake]

Just one?

We need one more corner guys who do nothing but play defense and shoot 3s

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[WestbrookGOATed]

I just want Billy Donovan gone. Then we should discuss what to do next. He is the main thing holding this team back.

[Kizz Fastfists]

I just want Billy Donovan gone. Then we should discuss what to do next. He is the main thing holding this team back.

Presti is the main thing holding this team back. Russ is the main thing from a team aspect holding them back. Donovan is the third problem if we are going to rank them in the order they are holding the team back. I put Russ ahead of Donovan because Russ is not going to change no matter who the coach is. A new coach doesn't change Russ. A new coach might bench Russ to try to force him to change, but then how well does that go over with fans, the front office, ownership, Russ, etc.? I loathe Billy as a coach, but I'm also not going to pretend that getting rid of him actually fixes anything. I do think that a real coach would make for a highly entertaining clash with Russ and the coach and how Presti handled it either confirm or shatter my current opinion on him as a weak GM who tries to cater to player egos over team winning.

A new coach that is fundamentally different than Donovan leads to a huge clash between the coach and Russ. When the coach comes out and says that OKC can't improve with Russ on the team who is the one that goes? I guarantee you Presti won't trade Russ given the fan sentiment and the number of fans that I have heard say they want Russ here until he retires no matter how inefficient his shooting gets. He is the triple double show and to some fans that makes him the best player in the NBA because the triple double got turned into some myth. It is a collection of 3 stats that without context tell you nothing of the good or bad impact a player is really having. Russ averaged a triple double, but by every impact measurable he just had one of the worst seasons of his career. He hadn't been this bad since his second season in the league.

[SecondTake]

"Although the loss to Portland after a late year collapse would put most coaches under the hotseat, insiders within the Thunder organization believe that Donovans job is safe. We're told that the assistant coaching positions are being looked at with an eye towards a shakeup.

There has been friction between Donovan and members of the coaching staff who were advocating for lineup and offensive scheme adjustments that were ultimately rejected by Donovan. A big point of contention were the minutes being given to Schroder which coaching staff wanted to see reduced. Donovan considered him a starter coming off the bench, and believed that he would be a difference maker in the playoffs.

A roster shakeup isn't expected either. There's a belief within the organization that had defensive specialist Andre been healthy this team would have been headed towards the Western Conference Finals. Although it's too early to tell, it doesn't look like the Thunder are looking at making major changes this offseason."

[Dadouv47]

"Although the loss to Portland after a late year collapse would put most coaches under the hotseat, insiders within the Thunder organization believe that Donovans job is safe. We're told that the assistant coaching positions are being looked at with an eye towards a shakeup.

There has been friction between Donovan and members of the coaching staff who were advocating for lineup and offensive scheme adjustments that were ultimately rejected by Donovan. A big point of contention were the minutes being given to Schroder which coaching staff wanted to see reduced. Donovan considered him a starter coming off the bench, and believed that he would be a difference maker in the playoffs.

A roster shakeup isn't expected either. There's a belief within the organization that had defensive specialist Andre been healthy this team would have been headed towards the Western Conference Finals. Although it's too early to tell, it doesn't look like the Thunder are looking at making major changes this offseason."

Assistants are right to be frustrated about the inexistence of offensive schemes.

Can't blame Donovan for playing Schroeder so much during the playoffs though. Ferguson was beyond terrible and we had no other option coming from the bench (and I hate Schroeder)

[Kizz Fastfists]

No changes! AWESOME!!! Don't get off that treadmill Donovan. Wait for it to come to an abrupt halt and throw you off with the team missing the playoffs. While old Roberson would have been the 3rd best player on the team this year, and arguably 2nd best, what I expect to get from Roberson when he returns is closer to Burton than old Roberson.

[Dadouv47]

I just want Billy Donovan gone. Then we should discuss what to do next. He is the main thing holding this team back.

Presti is the main thing holding this team back. Russ is the main thing from a team aspect holding them back. Donovan is the third problem if we are going to rank them in the order they are holding the team back. I put Russ ahead of Donovan because Russ is not going to change no matter who the coach is. A new coach doesn't change Russ. A new coach might bench Russ to try to force him to change, but then how well does that go over with fans, the front office, ownership, Russ, etc.? I loathe Billy as a coach, but I'm also not going to pretend that getting rid of him actually fixes anything. I do think that a real coach would make for a highly entertaining clash with Russ and the coach and how Presti handled it either confirm or shatter my current opinion on him as a weak GM who tries to cater to player egos over team winning.

A new coach that is fundamentally different than Donovan leads to a huge clash between the coach and Russ. When the coach comes out and says that OKC can't improve with Russ on the team who is the one that goes? I guarantee you Presti won't trade Russ given the fan sentiment and the number of fans that I have heard say they want Russ here until he retires no matter how inefficient his shooting gets. He is the triple double show and to some fans that makes him the best player in the NBA because the triple double got turned into some myth. It is a collection of 3 stats that without context tell you nothing of the good or bad impact a player is really having. Russ averaged a triple double, but by every impact measurable he just had one of the worst seasons of his career. He hadn't been this bad since his second season in the league.

Agree but think Presti is the main issue by a wild margin. Despite having a terrible shooting season, if you give Westbrook some shooters, his lack of shooting won't have such a bad impact.
And if we want to talk about players, Adams was the biggest disappointment during the playoffs in my opinion (and I'm one of the few here always trying to defend him)

[Kizz Fastfists]

Despite having a terrible shooting season, if you give Westbrook some shooters, his lack of shooting won't have such a bad impact.

I disagree with this. If you add a few better shooters then there are more made shots on his passes. However, he will still be taking 20 shots a game while shooting 40% and 5 three point shots a game shooting 28%. Also, keep in mind that the Thunder only have to improve 2% to be in the top 5 in 3pt shooting. That is 2 more makes per 100 shots. At 30 a game that means less than 1 more made 3 per game.

You could put the best 3pt shooter at every position around Russ and he is still going to take his shots. If it was about getting the team the best shot he would have been doing that this year with 3 players in the starting lineup that shot over 36% from 3! More shooting would be nice, but we need to stop pretending that Russ didn't play the majority of his minutes with capable 3pt shooters and he STILL took as many stupid shots as he felt like.

[slick_watts]

yes. westbrook's poor shooting will only hurt the team less if he decides to shoot less often (or, he improves his shooting). there's been some variability over the last five seasons with westbrook's shot attempts but he's always been at or near the top fga per possession. it would be a drastic change for him if he reduced his fga enough that it's going to have any significant impact.

and no matter what you do with the roster, westbrook as the primary ball handler will increasingly result in drop pnr and other defensive strategies to coax him or leave him in space. so long as he's shooting like this / god forbid he gets worse.

[Pillendreher]

"Although the loss to Portland after a late year collapse would put most coaches under the hotseat, insiders within the Thunder organization believe that Donovans job is safe. We're told that the assistant coaching positions are being looked at with an eye towards a shakeup.

There has been friction between Donovan and members of the coaching staff who were advocating for lineup and offensive scheme adjustments that were ultimately rejected by Donovan. A big point of contention were the minutes being given to Schroder which coaching staff wanted to see reduced. Donovan considered him a starter coming off the bench, and believed that he would be a difference maker in the playoffs.

A roster shakeup isn't expected either. There's a belief within the organization that had defensive specialist Andre been healthy this team would have been headed towards the Western Conference Finals. Although it's too early to tell, it doesn't look like the Thunder are looking at making major changes this offseason."

Either provide a source for this or I'm going to report it for yet another post with made up quotes/content. Zero search results for anything in this post.