2019-2020 Trade Deadline Thread

[ThunderBolt]

Spoiler:

Both of these guys are 21 years old. I don't think you sell them for a playoff run with this roster.

Ferg played some great defense on Harden last week. I don't think they should be trading these guys unless they are getting a really good player back.

I wouldn't give Ferguson a contract in a bit more than a year. Ferguson is a starter for more than a year so we already know what he can bring to the table. He can defend but still far from elite and he makes way too many stupid fouls. He can't handle the ball and at best would be a decent wide open shooter. So definitely I wouldn't mind trading him...

Diallo's shot is probably broken but I want to give him more playing time to know for sure before making any decision. He barely played last season and not playing a lot this season as well..

I hear you but they are both 21 years old (same age as Shai) and far from who they will become.

Are they really that far from what they will become? I don't think either is too old to get better but I wouldn't hesitate to include either one of them in a trade that facilitates moving CP3 or bringing in another young prospect. Diallo's shot is beyond busted and Ferguson's isn't that great either. He's down to 32% from three and has most of the the same limitations on offense he's had since his rookie year. At best he provides decent defense on some occasions. At best these guys develop into something that's not that difficult to replace.

[ThunderBolt]

Interesting what if: where would we be if Jeremy lamb had been given the leash afforded to Ferguson? Why is ferg being given this opportunity? Surely it's not the Tulsa aspect.

I think it's more about being committed to believing in him. He tries hard, seems to do what he's asked and obviously the organization thought pretty highly of him at one point. That's either stubbornness or patience depending on your viewpoint.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Interesting what if: where would we be if Jeremy lamb had been given the leash afforded to Ferguson? Why is ferg being given this opportunity? Surely it's not the Tulsa aspect.

Mainly because Roberson got hurt and Presti has ignored the wings. Remember that Lamb was "stuck" behind kd, Reggie, Roberson and Morrow for playing time at the wing. Who is here to block Ferguson from getting minutes? Other 20/21 year old kids that haven't proven themselves and don't fit what Presti seems to want as well as Ferguson. I do believe that if Roberson were healthy Ferguson would be limited to the Lamb 15 MPG role by the way this team has done it in the past.

It could also be Donovan liking to play young players more than Brooks did. There are two differences between Brooks and Donovan as far as I am concerned. Brooks had the team playing at maximum effort and got the most out of his rosters where Donovan has never maximized a season. Neither runs a real offense so neither truly maximized their roster, but Brooks got as much as he could where Donovan doesn't. Donovan likes to play young players much more. It really might just be that Presti told Brooks to start Roberson for his defense and that Brooks wanted veterans coming off the bench more than young guys. Reggie didn't get decent minutes until Russ went down. Other then Roberson I can't think of another young player, drafted outside of the top 10, that Brooks put out there a lot once the team was established. Adams was a top 10 pick and his competition was a broken down Perkins.

Outside of SGA you can argue any of the wings are better then the others at this point. I'm not including Gallo as a wing since he is playing PF. Ferguson, Diallo, Nader and Burton...pick your poison. You could argue that Donovan should be starting the Schroder-CP3-SGA lineup, but I don't believe he would ever do that because that would require more thinking a game and rotations through then he has shown to be capable of doing. That and we know from everything we have seen in OKC's history that someone high up the food chain wants a defensive minded wing starting and as long as that person is still here Ferguson is locked in as your starter.

[spearsy23]

Interesting what if: where would we be if Jeremy lamb had been given the leash afforded to Ferguson? Why is ferg being given this opportunity? Surely it's not the Tulsa aspect.

Mainly because Roberson got hurt and Presti has ignored the wings. Remember that Lamb was "stuck" behind kd, Reggie, Roberson and Morrow for playing time at the wing.

Randy Foye and Dion Waiters were the guys that ended up getting the minutes that would've gone to lamb if he was given this leash.

[Dadouv47]

I like Scott Brooks more than Billy Donovan but he used to give many minutes to the young guys in the regular season then replace them by D.J Augustin/Derek FIsher comes playoff time.

[Balkman32]

Can the Thunder trade their 2021 pick since they have Miami's unprotected pick next year? Due to the Stepien Rule since they have traded picks in 20 and 22 they wouldn't be able to but now they now have an extra first rounder in each of the next 5 years I was wondering if they could deal that pick.

[ThunderBolt]

Can the Thunder trade their 2021 pick since they have Miami's unprotected pick next year? Due to the Stepien Rule since they have traded picks in 20 and 22 they wouldn't be able to but now they now have an extra first rounder in each of the next 5 years I was wondering if they could deal that pick.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/04/hoops-rumors-glossary-ted-stepien-rule-2.html

Because the Stepien rule applies only to future draft picks, teams are still permitted to trade their first-rounders every year if they so choose, but they can’t trade out of the first round for back-to-back future seasons.

For instance, since the Raptors have traded their 2019 first-round pick to San Antonio, they aren’t currently permitted to trade their 2020 first-rounder. Following the 2019 draft though, the Raptors will regain the right to trade that 2020 first-round pick, since their ’19 first-rounder will no longer be considered a future pick.

The Stepien rule does allow a team to trade consecutive future first-round picks if the team has acquired a separate first-rounder from another team for either of those years. So if Toronto were to trade for a new 2019 first-rounder, that would give the Raptors the flexibility to move their 2020 pick without having to wait until after the 2019 draft.

[Balkman32]

The Thunder could then in theory trade their 2021 Lottery Protected First (Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-14; if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then OKC will instead convey its 2021 2nd round pick, 2024 2nd round pick (From Memphis) and 2026 2nd round pick).

[ThunderBolt]

If Popovich isn’t going to ever give Walker consistent minutes, I would love trade for him.

[Balkman32]

If Popovich isn’t going to ever give Walker consistent minutes, I would love trade for him.

Right. Kid is a baller when he gets on the floor. But, when is the last time the Spurs made an in season trade?

[ThunderBolt]

If Popovich isn’t going to ever give Walker consistent minutes! would love trade for him.

Right. Kid is a baller when he gets on the floor. But, when is the last time the Spurs made an in season trade?

It’s not realistic, just wishful that maybe Popovich makes another foolish trade in an attempt to stay relevant for his last few years.

[ThunderBolt]

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I read that the hawks weren’t willing to give a first for Drummond or they would already have him. Also heard they had interest in Jakob Poeltl. I don’t expect to be willing to pay presti’s asking price for Adams.

[Dadouv47]

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I read that the hawks weren’t willing to give a first for Drummond or they would already have him. Also heard they had interest in Jakob Poeltl. I don’t expect to be willing to pay presti’s asking price for Adams.

Presti is asking for way too much for Adams.

He's a fan favorite and the last piece of the Harden's trade. Presti wants a good package in return.

Think we will only trade Adams next season (or he will stay).

[Dadouv47]

What is John Collins trade value? Adams/Ferguson/Denver 1st and Clippers 2022 1st for Parsons and John Collins sounds like a fair deal!?

Don't think the Hawks would trade him but that's a relatively good package..

[ThunderBolt]

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I read that the hawks weren’t willing to give a first for Drummond or they would already have him. Also heard they had interest in Jakob Poeltl. I don’t expect to be willing to pay presti’s asking price for Adams.

Presti is asking for way too much for Adams.

He's a fan favorite and the last piece of the Harden's trade. Presti wants a good package in return.

Think we will only trade Adams next season (or he will stay).

I suspect Presti's asking price for Adams is too high as well, mainly due to his contract. I don't think a mid to late first is too high. If Atlanta isn't willing to part with that then they should probably lower their expectations to Poeltl.

[Old Man Game]

Interesting what if: where would we be if Jeremy lamb had been given the leash afforded to Ferguson? Why is ferg being given this opportunity? Surely it's not the Tulsa aspect.

I think it's more about being committed to believing in him. He tries hard, seems to do what he's asked and obviously the organization thought pretty highly of him at one point. That's either stubbornness or patience depending on your viewpoint.

I think that's right.

We never heard exactly what was going on behind the scenes with Lamb but in one of the post season player specific pressers from that time, Berry Trammel put a question to Lamb that strongly suggested he'd been a malcontent at times (the various D League assignments apparently didn't sit well with him). I think this organization is big on guys who do what's asked of them and set aside their ego (at least sofar as it pertains to role players). So back to Ferg, I think that's what he's done more than anything.

[retrobro90]

I'm perfectly content with letting Atlanta keep their garbage expirings and garbage Nets pick in a garbage draft in order for OKC to keep an awesome 26 year old starting center but I guess I'm just weird because I think retaining Adams is more valuable than the draft rights to Isaac Okoro.

[Dadouv47]

I'm perfectly content with letting Atlanta keep their garbage expirings and garbage Nets pick in a garbage draft in order for OKC to keep an awesome 26 year old starting center but I guess I'm just weird because I think retaining Adams is more valuable than the draft rights to Isaac Okoro.

I don't want to trade Adams for crap either. Adams could be very valuable on a cheaper contract. I guess it all depends on what Presti is planning for the future (and if Adams is willing to stay or not). If isn't part of our future plans, I would wait this offseason or next trade deadline to get more value.

Maybe keeping Adams on a ''cheap'' contract would be the best solution...

[ThunderBolt]

I prefer to move Gallo and Schroder. I’m skeptical of a sign and trade and want value for Gallo this season. I’m more skeptical of Dennis sustaining his performance. If it came down to it, I would probably take an expiring and decent second round pick for Dennis if there weren’t better offers.

[Dadouv47]

No Gallo in Portland (as expected)