Let's Make a Deal: Thunder Trade Targets

[bondom34]

What Justin said.

[Balkman32]

Reading some Hawks sites and half their fans just want to clear Schroder's salary and think its a heist to get an expiring Melo for him.

Also again, it doesn't save money and costs more in a year.

To be clear, if the ATL project had not changed and there was no rebuild, Schröder wouldn't be a trade priority.
It's not based on his bball impact, he can be good like two seasons ago. The problem is he was not happy with Howard coming and the team taking a step back with Horford going to BOS, then Schlenk came and didn't make an offer to Milllsap to start a rebuild. And Schröder is about winning, which is good, but he's also immature on some points.

With ATL rebuilding and Schlenk saying it will certainly take two more years, it doesn't make sense to keep an unhappy Schröder.
What he doesn't understand is that playing with less heart this last season because of not wanting to be part of a rebuild has decrease his value, he did it himself. ATL should even have trade him last year. But they won't send good picks just to send Schröder elsewhere.

I'm not saying he's the best PG, and I don't think he's the best fit for you (unless your system allow to play both at the same time for some minutes), but reading that Felton is a better option is kind of strange IMO, even if he's at the minimum, because I supposed that OKC can spend a bit more than the minimum for a backup PG if they are all about winning (which would at least motivate Schröder). After having re-sign George, they could save money overall by trading Anthony, but still improve the backup PG (Schröder or not Schröder), I think it would be a best option to win more, since Felton just ruin the lead you build with Westbrook (overall loss of 8.4pts on 100 possessions for OKC with Felton)
At least, Westbrook would or would be able to play less. You have the chance that he's a monster, never injured seriously, but I would not play with it for too long

I'm not sure Schroder wouldn't lose a lead himself. Let alone pout on the bench. He can't run an offense and isn't a good defenders at all. And that's ignoring he makes sure they're in the tax another two years so it basically caps their ceiling totally in terms of acquisitions. I'd take him, but I'd want Atlanta to attach an asset, not the other way around.

I think its just a matter of time Schröder is moved. If the Pels are really interested in him a Solomon Hill swap makes a ton of sense. This could be a part of a bigger deal involving Melo. But, this one seems like a no brainer if New Orleans is really interested in him.

[Pillendreher]

The Thunder are looking for a 3rd team that wants Schroder and that team is New Orleans.
Here is how it will work:

OKC gets Mirotic, Muscala
Pels get Schroder
Hawks get Melo

Is that speculation or is that something you've seen from a reliable source? I can't believe the Pelicans would part ways with Mirotic after the season he had last year.

OKC and Atlanta are in discussions about a deal involving Melo and Schroder, but no deal has been done yet because OKC doesnt want Schroder, instead is looking for a 3rd team to take him. Those are from several sources. The rest is speculation, but there are few teams that have the space and potential need for Schroder. Orl, Sac and NOP. The latter is the only team to show interest in Schroder so far, therefore thats the most likely destination. For either Solomon Hill or Mirotic they could land Schroder. Mirotic makes more sense for OKC and he is going into his final contract year, whereas Hill has 2 years left. If they think they can and want to resign Mirotic, then they will prefer dealing Hill over him.

And where are you getting this from? Because I haven't seen anything based on this.

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[Balkman32]

Reading some Hawks sites and half their fans just want to clear Schroder's salary and think its a heist to get an expiring Melo for him.

Also again, it doesn't save money and costs more in a year.

It saves money this year though. It just moved the Lux Tax bill to future years.

I think the Thunder would like to take back some money in a Melo deal. Maybe around $20 million in expiring deals. Having an expiring deal at this trade deadline will be huge. This is part of the reason I expect Kyle Singler at media day for one last time.

[Balkman32]

Is that speculation or is that something you've seen from a reliable source? I can't believe the Pelicans would part ways with Mirotic after the season he had last year.

OKC and Atlanta are in discussions about a deal involving Melo and Schroder, but no deal has been done yet because OKC doesnt want Schroder, instead is looking for a 3rd team to take him. Those are from several sources. The rest is speculation, but there are few teams that have the space and potential need for Schroder. Orl, Sac and NOP. The latter is the only team to show interest in Schroder so far, therefore thats the most likely destination. For either Solomon Hill or Mirotic they could land Schroder. Mirotic makes more sense for OKC and he is going into his final contract year, whereas Hill has 2 years left. If they think they can and want to resign Mirotic, then they will prefer dealing Hill over him.

And where are you getting this from? Because I haven't seen anything based on this.

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The Thunder are not taking on Hill. Well unless he is the only return item in a Melo deal maybe. But, I doubt thats the case.

Interesting that Sac is interested in Schröder. A 3 way deal with the Hawks and Kings could get really interesting.

[bondom34]

Reading some Hawks sites and half their fans just want to clear Schroder's salary and think its a heist to get an expiring Melo for him.

Also again, it doesn't save money and costs more in a year.

It saves money this year though. It just moved the Lux Tax bill to future years.

I think the Thunder would like to take back some money in a Melo deal. Maybe around $20 million in expiring deals. Having an expiring deal at this trade deadline will be hugh. This is part of the reason i expect Kyle Singler at media day for one last time.

It saves like $10M this year. And costs 45 the next. That's the opposite of what they want to do.

[Balkman32]

Reading some Hawks sites and half their fans just want to clear Schroder's salary and think its a heist to get an expiring Melo for him.

Also again, it doesn't save money and costs more in a year.

It saves money this year though. It just moved the Lux Tax bill to future years.

I think the Thunder would like to take back some money in a Melo deal. Maybe around $20 million in expiring deals. Having an expiring deal at this trade deadline will be hugh. This is part of the reason i expect Kyle Singler at media day for one last time.

It saves like $10M this year. And costs 45 the next. That's the opposite of what they want to do.

$45? Are you sure thats the cost? for an additional $15 million next season.

[spearsy23]

Reading some Hawks sites and half their fans just want to clear Schroder's salary and think its a heist to get an expiring Melo for him.

Also again, it doesn't save money and costs more in a year.

To be clear, if the ATL project had not changed and there was no rebuild, Schröder wouldn't be a trade priority.
It's not based on his bball impact, he can be good like two seasons ago. The problem is he was not happy with Howard coming and the team taking a step back with Horford going to BOS, then Schlenk came and didn't make an offer to Milllsap to start a rebuild. And Schröder is about winning, which is good, but he's also immature on some points.

With ATL rebuilding and Schlenk saying it will certainly take two more years, it doesn't make sense to keep an unhappy Schröder.
What he doesn't understand is that playing with less heart this last season because of not wanting to be part of a rebuild has decrease his value, he did it himself. ATL should even have trade him last year. But they won't send good picks just to send Schröder elsewhere.

I'm not saying he's the best PG, and I don't think he's the best fit for you (unless your system allow to play both at the same time for some minutes), but reading that Felton is a better option is kind of strange IMO, even if he's at the minimum, because I supposed that OKC can spend a bit more than the minimum for a backup PG if they are all about winning (which would at least motivate Schröder). After having re-sign George, they could save money overall by trading Anthony, but still improve the backup PG (Schröder or not Schröder), I think it would be a best option to win more, since Felton just ruin the lead you build with Westbrook (overall loss of 8.4pts on 100 possessions for OKC with Felton)
At least, Westbrook would or would be able to play less. You have the chance that he's a monster, never injured seriously, but I would not play with it for too long

I'm not sure Schroder wouldn't lose a lead himself. Let alone pout on the bench. He can't run an offense and isn't a good defenders at all. And that's ignoring he makes sure they're in the tax another two years so it basically caps their ceiling totally in terms of acquisitions. I'd take him, but I'd want Atlanta to attach an asset, not the other way around.

Isn't the supposed deal muscala + schroder? That's somewhat of an asset, I guess. They obviously won't be attaching a first round pick or any of their valuable young players, so unless you prefer a 2nd to muscala this seems about fair. I'd prefer the second, but at least muscala can shoot, and would give us that 5th big that is playable when an injury happens. Maybe add singler to shed a few more dollars?

Also, what does 'he can't run an offense' mean? Are you meaning he's ball dominant and takes a team out of its system? I actually would consider that a plus given our system and bench. I don't think it's possible to marginalize abrines/Ferguson/Patterson/Noel by taking the ball away from them.

Also, we really need muscala, we've lost 5 white pf/c in the last couple of years.

[spearsy23]

Reading some Hawks sites and half their fans just want to clear Schroder's salary and think its a heist to get an expiring Melo for him.

Also again, it doesn't save money and costs more in a year.

It saves money this year though. It just moved the Lux Tax bill to future years.

I think the Thunder would like to take back some money in a Melo deal. Maybe around $20 million in expiring deals. Having an expiring deal at this trade deadline will be hugh. This is part of the reason i expect Kyle Singler at media day for one last time.

It saves like $10M this year. And costs 45 the next. That's the opposite of what they want to do.

Again, nobody actually know what they want to do.

And we will have to sign a PG next year, you can't just keep re-signing felton if your intention is to compete.

[bondom34]

To be clear, if the ATL project had not changed and there was no rebuild, Schröder wouldn't be a trade priority.
It's not based on his bball impact, he can be good like two seasons ago. The problem is he was not happy with Howard coming and the team taking a step back with Horford going to BOS, then Schlenk came and didn't make an offer to Milllsap to start a rebuild. And Schröder is about winning, which is good, but he's also immature on some points.

With ATL rebuilding and Schlenk saying it will certainly take two more years, it doesn't make sense to keep an unhappy Schröder.
What he doesn't understand is that playing with less heart this last season because of not wanting to be part of a rebuild has decrease his value, he did it himself. ATL should even have trade him last year. But they won't send good picks just to send Schröder elsewhere.

I'm not saying he's the best PG, and I don't think he's the best fit for you (unless your system allow to play both at the same time for some minutes), but reading that Felton is a better option is kind of strange IMO, even if he's at the minimum, because I supposed that OKC can spend a bit more than the minimum for a backup PG if they are all about winning (which would at least motivate Schröder). After having re-sign George, they could save money overall by trading Anthony, but still improve the backup PG (Schröder or not Schröder), I think it would be a best option to win more, since Felton just ruin the lead you build with Westbrook (overall loss of 8.4pts on 100 possessions for OKC with Felton)
At least, Westbrook would or would be able to play less. You have the chance that he's a monster, never injured seriously, but I would not play with it for too long

I'm not sure Schroder wouldn't lose a lead himself. Let alone pout on the bench. He can't run an offense and isn't a good defenders at all. And that's ignoring he makes sure they're in the tax another two years so it basically caps their ceiling totally in terms of acquisitions. I'd take him, but I'd want Atlanta to attach an asset, not the other way around.

Isn't the supposed deal muscala + schroder? That's somewhat of an asset, I guess. They obviously won't be attaching a first round pick or any of their valuable young players, so unless you prefer a 2nd to muscala this seems about fair. I'd prefer the second, but at least muscala can shoot, and would give us that 5th big that is playable when an injury happens. Maybe add singler to shed a few more dollars?

Also, what does 'he can't run an offense' mean? Are you meaning he's ball dominant and takes a team out of its system? I actually would consider that a plus given our system and bench. I don't think it's possible to marginalize abrines/Ferguson/Patterson/Noel by taking the ball away from them.

Also, we really need muscala, we've lost 5 white pf/c in the last couple of years.

I mean hes not a guy who elevates a teams offense much. Might get some numbers individually but not helping a team sort of thing.

Also don't really think muscala is an asset at that price. If he were he wouldn't have just opted in.

[bondom34]

It saves money this year though. It just moved the Lux Tax bill to future years.

I think the Thunder would like to take back some money in a Melo deal. Maybe around $20 million in expiring deals. Having an expiring deal at this trade deadline will be hugh. This is part of the reason i expect Kyle Singler at media day for one last time.

It saves like $10M this year. And costs 45 the next. That's the opposite of what they want to do.

Again, nobody actually know what they want to do.

And we will have to sign a PG next year, you can't just keep re-signing felton if your intention is to compete.

Sure, if nobody know s what they want we can throw whatever we want at the wall and say it's true.

But from all reports they want to save something.

[Kizz Fastfists]

I've been assuming they want to save total money. That doesn't mean save it this year to spend it over the next two years. If the idea was just to spread out the costs I think they would have used the MLE on one of the many useful players that were out there and signed for less and just stretched Melo. I am assuming they have to shave significant money this year WITHOUT adding that to the future payroll. Taking back $10m this year would seem reasonable. Taking $15M this year with $10M the next two years doesn't fit what I am assuming they are trying to do.

I could be completely wrong and they could not have any issues with keeping the same level of payroll this year just changing the roster and maintaining around that amount going forward. I can't imagine how anyone in any position of power in the organization would think a $300Mish payroll for a team that isn't even close to a contender is logical, but I would love to hear the argument for it if there is someone in the organization making that case.

[Balkman32]

I've been assuming they want to save total money. That doesn't mean save it this year to spend it over the next two years. If the idea was just to spread out the costs I think they would have used the MLE on one of the many useful players that were out there and signed for less and just stretched Melo. I am assuming they have to shave significant money this year WITHOUT adding that to the future payroll. Taking back $10m this year would seem reasonable. Taking $15M this year with $10M the next two years doesn't fit what I am assuming they are trying to do.

I could be completely wrong and they could not have any issues with keeping the same level of payroll this year just changing the roster and maintaining around that amount going forward. I can't imagine how anyone in any position of power in the organization would think a $300Mish payroll for a team that isn't even close to a contender is logical, but I would love to hear the argument for it if there is someone in the organization making that case.

I do agree they are trying to save total money. But, I think they are also trying to figure out what kind of trade chip is needed for the season. I think even doing a deal where we just swap expiring contracts makes some sense. Becasue the last thinkg we want is a guy being available for penuts on the dollar and we don't have the contracts to matched up.

[Kizz Fastfists]

I think even doing a deal where we just swap expiring contracts makes some sense. Becasue the last thinkg we want is a guy being available for penuts on the dollar and we don't have the contracts to matched up.

I agree swapping expiring contracts would be an ideal situation, especially if getting a useful player. However, Schroder isn't expiring. Now, if the deal were Melo and Singler for Schroder, Bazemore, Muscala and a first round pick then I could understand it. You are upgrading your wing rotation with Bazemore. You are getting a big that can stretch the floor in Muscala who would fit the roster since you have Roberson, Grant, Adams and Noel that will give you no spacing. Then you are gambling that Schroder's attitude is good being on a playoff team and having a chance to prove he can play and potentially either get traded to a starting situation next off-season or building his value for his next contract.

That deal wouldn't save money, but it would drastically improve the roster. If we assume they were willing to go deep into the tax if kd had stayed, which is reasonable, then I can see an argument for them being willing to try that roster with a huge tax bill. I don't think that roster gets you past GS, but it would be very interesting. A lineup of Russ, Roberson, Bazemore, PG and Adams against GS would be very interesting. OKC would have the ability to go big or small with anybody along with the ability to create the mismatch with their ability to mix and match skill sets.

[Balkman32]

Deal Done 2022 first round protected pick for Schröder and MM

[Pillendreher]

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Per capulator, his contract was ng at 1.4 million. This lowers their total salary from 94.2 to 92.8 million. They can now take back 9.2 million in salary in a trade, which means they have to send out 18.97 million. If they waive Cleveland as well, that number decreases to 17.59 million.

[Balkman32]

Reading some Hawks sites and half their fans just want to clear Schroder's salary and think its a heist to get an expiring Melo for him.

Also again, it doesn't save money and costs more in a year.

It saves money this year though. It just moved the Lux Tax bill to future years.

I think the Thunder would like to take back some money in a Melo deal. Maybe around $20 million in expiring deals. Having an expiring deal at this trade deadline will be hugh. This is part of the reason i expect Kyle Singler at media day for one last time.

It saves like $10M this year. And costs 45 the next. That's the opposite of what they want to do.

Its what they just did.

[thekaoswithin]

Great mood. Quick brush through TLC's advanced stats gives me hope that he can be a solid bench contributor.

[Pillendreher]

60 millions in tax savings this season, 61 million tax increase next season

[Osirus89]

WAIT did we get TLC out of this trade? I like it a bit more if he was included.