Thunder Offseason Thread

[ThunderBolt]

I mean, do we really need that much more picks ? I know they are THE asset to have, but from our point, we'll have to incorporate atleast 2 good 1st round rookies into our team every year, as things are starting to roll out.

You don't acquire picks to keep all of them. You trade them when the player you want becomes available.

[Balkman32]

^Honestly, that likely suggests Kawhi is looking to sign an juicy five-year max on a ten-year player scale, so it'll depend massively on his health and decline.

Regardless, here is a trade offer, assuming you move Russell Westbrook. It would have to wait two-months for Treveon Graham to be traded to another team because of the two-month rule.

MIN: Danilo Gallinari
OUT: Gorgui Dieng, Treveon Graham, Minnesota's 2020 First Round Draft Pick (1-14 Protected), and Seconds (negotiable)

Why for Minnesota? Shave off a year of Gorgui Dieng and use the remainder of their space (under the hard cap) on an excellent fit next to Karl-Anthony Towns and Robert Covington.

OKC: Gorgui Dieng, Treveon Graham, Minnesota's 2020 First Round Draft Pick (1-14 Protected), and Seconds (negotiable)
OUT: Danilo Gallinari

Why for Oklahoma City? Get another first along with a collections seconds and get comfortable under the Luxury Tax.

The number and years on the seconds are fully negotiable, Minnesota could provide two 2022 Seconds.

This makes sense. The Thunder take on an additional $12 million in salary. We would want the double draft 2nd and the protection on the first to be unprotected at the end of protections.

[Kizz Fastfists]

At this stage of the build you can't have enough picks. You have no idea what injuries or sudden FA move will make any pick a potential top 5. Right now OKC only has two picks in 2020, 2021 and 2022 unless I am mistaken. Adding more picks could allow them to move up for a player Presti wants or to take a young player that a team is ready to move on from due to fit or drafting someone better.

Atlanta gave away Prince and he is a very solid player still on his rookie contract!!! Picks have significantly more value than players until they are used because you can, theoretically, turn that pick into a player who fits what you need even if you have to do that through trading instead of drafting. It also gives you the ability to get a solid veteran that fits what you want to do, i.e. Jerami Grant for Denver, so you know what your pick is and how you are going to maximize him. I expect Grant to look like a stud this year in Denver and a few will think he could have done it here while most will acknowledge that Donovan would have continued to have Grant doing the same things with the same results.

[slick_watts]

LOL Heat perfer to not trade Herro or Bam.

So basically they aren't willing to trade anything for Russ.

source?

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article231883128.html

The Heat and Thunder have been discussing potential combinations of players, and those specifics remain unknown. But indications are the Heat would prefer not to include Bam Adebayo or Herro. This trade would be highly appealing to the Heat if Miami can merely shed contracts of players not in its longterm plans, but it’s questionable if the Thunder would go for that.

The Heat has been uncertain whether there are other Westbrook suitors; none have surfaced publicly.

what i expected.

[Balkman32]

LOL Heat perfer to not trade Herro or Bam.

So basically they aren't willing to trade anything for Russ.

source?

Bleacher Report

[Balkman32]

At this stage of the build you can't have enough picks. You have no idea what injuries or sudden FA move will make any pick a potential top 5. Right now OKC only has two picks in 2020, 2021 and 2022 unless I am mistaken. Adding more picks could allow them to move up for a player Presti wants or to take a young player that a team is ready to move on from due to fit or drafting someone better.

Atlanta gave away Prince and he is a very solid player still on his rookie contract!!! Picks have significantly more value than players until they are used because you can, theoretically, turn that pick into a player who fits what you need even if you have to do that through trading instead of drafting. It also gives you the ability to get a solid veteran that fits what you want to do, i.e. Jerami Grant for Denver, so you know what your pick is and how you are going to maximize him. I expect Grant to look like a stud this year in Denver and a few will think he could have done it here while most will acknowledge that Donovan would have continued to have Grant doing the same things with the same results.

The Thunder have 5 FRP's in the next 3 years. Then an additional 7 in the next 4 years.

2020 OKC First Round Pick if between 1 and 20
2020 Denver's First Round Pick top 10 protected
2021 OKC's First Round Pick
2021 Miami's First Round Pick unprotected
2022 Clippers First Round pick unprotected
2022 OKC's First Round Pick Lottery Protected (ATL)

[BBallFreak]

LOL Heat perfer to not trade Herro or Bam.

So basically they aren't willing to trade anything for Russ.

Justise Winslow is not nothing, and it says nothing about picks

[Dadouv47]

LOL Heat perfer to not trade Herro or Bam.

So basically they aren't willing to trade anything for Russ.

source?

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article231883128.html

The Heat and Thunder have been discussing potential combinations of players, and those specifics remain unknown. But indications are the Heat would prefer not to include Bam Adebayo or Herro. This trade would be highly appealing to the Heat if Miami can merely shed contracts of players not in its longterm plans, but it’s questionable if the Thunder would go for that.

The Heat has been uncertain whether there are other Westbrook suitors; none have surfaced publicly.

what i expected.

''prefer not to'' ; ''questionable if the Thunder would go for that''

Could be true but anyone could write the exact same thing.

[Balkman32]

LOL Heat perfer to not trade Herro or Bam.

So basically they aren't willing to trade anything for Russ.

Justise Winslow is not nothing, and it says nothing about picks

So we have your 21 unprotected and 23 lottery protected until 2026 when it goes unprotected. Per the CBA you can only trade picks 7 years out. The Heat would only be able to adjust the protections.

Maybe if the Thunder traded Russ and the 21 and 23 back to Miami they could then trade to OKC the 2020, 2022, 2024, and 2026 first round picks unprotected. But that's only 2 first round picks.

One question can the Thunder have a pick swap with the Clippers and another team in the same year?

One thing to note right now they have around 2 picks in every year till 2026. If they structured a deal like this they would only have 1 first round pick in 2021 and 2023.

[BBallFreak]

LOL Heat perfer to not trade Herro or Bam.

So basically they aren't willing to trade anything for Russ.

Justise Winslow is not nothing, and it says nothing about picks

So we have your 21 unprotected and 23 lottery protected until 2026 when it goes unprotected. Per the CBA you can only trade picks 7 years out. The Heat would only be able to adjust the protections.

Maybe if the Thunder traded Russ and the 21 and 23 back to Miami they could then trade to OKC the 2020, 2022, 2024, and 2026 first round picks unprotected. But that's only 2 first round picks.

One question can the Thunder have a pick swap with the Clippers and another team in the same year?

One thing to note right now they have around 2 picks in every year till 2026. If they structured a deal like this they would only have 1 first round pick in 2021 and 2023.

We could lift the restrictions on the 2023 pick and add in a 2025 pick

[Old Man Game]

LOL Heat perfer to not trade Herro or Bam.

So basically they aren't willing to trade anything for Russ.

source?

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article231883128.html

The Heat and Thunder have been discussing potential combinations of players, and those specifics remain unknown. But indications are the Heat would prefer not to include Bam Adebayo or Herro. This trade would be highly appealing to the Heat if Miami can merely shed contracts of players not in its longterm plans, but it’s questionable if the Thunder would go for that.

The Heat has been uncertain whether there are other Westbrook suitors; none have surfaced publicly.

what i expected.

The stuff about how the hard cap is interacting with the minimum roster for opening day is really interesting. I'm going back to the well here to say I think throwing Ferg in makes sense then.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y4mv5l6x

Herro; Winslow; Dragic for Russ and Ferg works in Trade machine and saves us over 5 million in money.

[thekaoswithin]

Justise Winslow is not nothing, and it says nothing about picks

So we have your 21 unprotected and 23 lottery protected until 2026 when it goes unprotected. Per the CBA you can only trade picks 7 years out. The Heat would only be able to adjust the protections.

Maybe if the Thunder traded Russ and the 21 and 23 back to Miami they could then trade to OKC the 2020, 2022, 2024, and 2026 first round picks unprotected. But that's only 2 first round picks.

One question can the Thunder have a pick swap with the Clippers and another team in the same year?

One thing to note right now they have around 2 picks in every year till 2026. If they structured a deal like this they would only have 1 first round pick in 2021 and 2023.

We could lift the restrictions on the 2023 pick and add in a 2025 pick

Need either Bam or Herro IMO

[Dadouv47]

Guess we will end up making a terrible trade. Miami has leverage anyway. Not much we can do.

At this point I'm just hoping for a pick. We won't even get Winslow.

[slick_watts]

Guess we will end up making a terrible trade. Miami has leverage anyway. Not much we can do.

At this point I'm just hoping for a pick. We won't even get Winslow.

it's not terrible. any team acquiring westbrook is also acquiring the $90 million+ he'll be earning in the last two seasons of his deal when he's likely to be some sort of husk of whatever they believe he is now. just shedding westbrook in a cap neutral deal and getting out of a majority of his future salary (esp. the last two seasons) would be decent value.

[Balkman32]

Trading Ferg in a Westbrook deal makes zero sense. They can take their choice of Nader or Patterson or make another move.

[Dadouv47]

Trading Ferg in a Westbrook deal makes zero sense. They can take their choice of Nader or Patterson or make another move.

We should trade Patterson to the Knicks and get some value in return. I heard they are looking for some PFs

[wco81]

One of the podcasts I listened to this week said that the big haul for PG13 means that Presti doesn't have to try to get a huge return for Westbrook.

I guess that POV is that getting rid of that contract would be a big win, it itself.

[Balkman32]

Trading Russ to Houston for Capela, Gordon and picks would be interesting. As I think Gordon could be used like Gallo as trade bait at the deadline and Capela's on a pretty decent contract.

I know the hornets just signed Scary Teddy but Russ to the Hornets for Bridges, Williams, Zeller and picks could pair Russ with MJ, but is that team even a playoff team?

A Magic package of Gordon, Bamba, Fultz, plus picks makes sense for the Thunder. I think if Fultz was able to get out of his funk he would be a nice back court pairing with SGA. Plus, Gordon, would probably be the best asset out there to get back in a Westbrook deal. I think the assets that are needed is guys that are under 23. Because for the next two years we are probably looking at the lottery.

[Old Man Game]

Trading Ferg in a Westbrook deal makes zero sense. They can take their choice of Nader or Patterson or make another move.

Easy to say. Maybe they don't want our trash.

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[Balkman32]

Trading Ferg in a Westbrook deal makes zero sense. They can take their choice of Nader or Patterson or make another move.

Easy to say. Maybe they don't want our trash.

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Then see ya. Why wouldn't Detroit trade Reggie Jackson, Kennard, Galloway, Doumbouya and 2 firsts for Russ? They are an over the cap team who has a decent front court. Getting off Reggie Jackson and Galloway is huge win for them as well, because they are negative assets.