All Things Thunder Offseason Thread

[ThunderBolt]

IF they make a trade for a 4 why wouldnt they go after Siakam? Assuming he'd sign an extension it'd make way more sense to me to make that move than PJ/Simmons/Collins etc

Siakam is great but Masai seems to be all bluff. He’d rather let guys walk in free agency than trade them. His list of losing guys that way is starting to grow. Obama, Gasol, Kawhi, Danny Green and now FVV. They didn’t get great value for Lowry. None of these moves by themself are egregious and the kawhi move was absolutely worth it. It just makes me skeptical of Toronto actually making a big reset trade. They seem content to stay where they are at and wait for a big opportunity to land a star present itself.

I think Masai is smart enough to understand you either have to extend or trade Pascal this year. FVV is maybe the only example you have that fits the bill of your point although I'm not sure who you meant by Obama. I don't think they have to go in complete reset right now but if Pascal is discontent it's just good practice to get value for him and send him somewhere that he can compete.

Autocorrect always changes Ibaka to Obama, lol. I'm not saying Massai is a bad gm or that those have even been mistakes. I think he's a very good gm. I just have my doubts on him actually making a trade. Time will tell.

[Dadouv47]

well Toronto won't keep both Siakam and OG but I'm not willing to pay the asking price + giving a super big contract

[slick_watts]

i find it very unlikely sam presti would trade draft capital for a star player set to expire.

[jake_swivel]

Doesn’t patty mills’ expiring contract have more value than tre Mann at the deadline? He has more value as a player to the thunder this year, too. He would contribute more on the floor as a 3rd string pg and in the locker room. I think it’s more likely tre gets waived than patty. The only way you keep tre is if you expect big improvements over the next few months.

[jake_swivel]

Patty mills, dort, Wiggins/joe, second best pick of the 24 draft, and the 2025 heat pick for pj Washington resigned at 3/78. Who says no?

[Dadouv47]

Patty mills, dort, Wiggins/joe, second best pick of the 24 draft, and the 2025 heat pick for pj Washington resigned at 3/78. Who says no?

I might say no tbh...I have Dort being worth a very late FRP, Joe a top 20-25 FRP. Add two FRPs and that's a lot.

Also the second best pick in 2024 could be super high (I still think one of Rockets/Jazz pick won't convey and if it does, could be a high pick)

[jake_swivel]

Patty mills, dort, Wiggins/joe, second best pick of the 24 draft, and the 2025 heat pick for pj Washington resigned at 3/78. Who says no?

I might say no tbh...I have Dort being worth a very late FRP, Joe a top 20-25 FRP. Add two FRPs and that's a lot.

Also the second best pick in 2024 could be super high (I still think one of Rockets/Jazz pick won't convey and if it does, could be a high pick)

I’m assuming clippers get Harden and that getting pj balances the roster enough to be a 4-5 seed. And that the Utah pick doesn’t convey. In that scenario, you’re likely trading dort, Wiggins or joe, and 2 likely late picks.

But yeah, not sure I’d do it either. I’m wondering if there still might be a more financially conservative move to balance the roster. Nothing is really coming to mind, though.

[Dadouv47]

Patty mills, dort, Wiggins/joe, second best pick of the 24 draft, and the 2025 heat pick for pj Washington resigned at 3/78. Who says no?

I might say no tbh...I have Dort being worth a very late FRP, Joe a top 20-25 FRP. Add two FRPs and that's a lot.

Also the second best pick in 2024 could be super high (I still think one of Rockets/Jazz pick won't convey and if it does, could be a high pick)

I’m assuming clippers get Harden and that getting pj balances the roster enough to be a 4-5 seed. And that the Utah pick doesn’t convey. In that scenario, you’re likely trading dort, Wiggins or joe, and 2 likely late picks.

But yeah, not sure I’d do it either. I’m wondering if there still might be a more financially conservative move to balance the roster. Nothing is really coming to mind, though.

West is so balanced that it wouldn't surprise me if we end up 5th or 12th.

[Mr Thunder Nick]

Doesn’t patty mills’ expiring contract have more value than tre Mann at the deadline? He has more value as a player to the thunder this year, too. He would contribute more on the floor as a 3rd string pg and in the locker room. I think it’s more likely tre gets waived than patty. The only way you keep tre is if you expect big improvements over the next few months.

I think, this is a very good raesoning. P.Mills has surely more value than T.Mann.

[zimpy27]

What do you guys think of OKC getting Herro?

Herro, Nurkic
for
Bertans, Oladipo, Mann, Kenrich, JRE, MIA25FRP(15-30)

SGA, Herro, Jalen, Giddey, Holmgren
Micic, Cason, Dort, Poku, Nurkic
Mills, Joe, White, Dieng, Jaylin

[jake_swivel]

What do you guys think of OKC getting Herro?


Herro, Nurkic
for
Bertans, Oladipo, Mann, Kenrich, JRE, MIA25FRP(15-30)

SGA, Herro, Jalen, Giddey, Holmgren
Micic, Cason, Dort, Poku, Nurkic
Mills, Joe, White, Dieng, Jaylin

Not at all interested, personally.

[zimpy27]

What do you guys think of OKC getting Herro?


Herro, Nurkic
for
Bertans, Oladipo, Mann, Kenrich, JRE, MIA25FRP(15-30)

SGA, Herro, Jalen, Giddey, Holmgren
Micic, Cason, Dort, Poku, Nurkic
Mills, Joe, White, Dieng, Jaylin

Not at all interested, personally.

Herro seems to fit what Presti wants. Rhythm player that works hard and is intuitive on the court. His impact metrics are quite good and he's a year younger than SGA.

Is there a reason you aren't interested? Personality fit?

[Xatticus]

What do you guys think of OKC getting Herro?


Herro, Nurkic
for
Bertans, Oladipo, Mann, Kenrich, JRE, MIA25FRP(15-30)

SGA, Herro, Jalen, Giddey, Holmgren
Micic, Cason, Dort, Poku, Nurkic
Mills, Joe, White, Dieng, Jaylin

Not at all interested, personally.

Herro seems to fit what Presti wants. Rhythm player that works hard and is intuitive on the court. His impact metrics are quite good and he's a year younger than SGA.

Is there a reason you aren't interested? Personality fit?

Contract extensions considered, I'd much rather have Kenrich than Herro. That's not intended as a dig at Herro.

[zimpy27]

Not at all interested, personally.

Herro seems to fit what Presti wants. Rhythm player that works hard and is intuitive on the court. His impact metrics are quite good and he's a year younger than SGA.

Is there a reason you aren't interested? Personality fit?

Contract extensions considered, I'd much rather have Kenrich than Herro. That's not intended as a dig at Herro.

You could keep Kenrich but you'd need to send out Dort, Dieng or Poku. Which would you send?

[Xatticus]

Herro seems to fit what Presti wants. Rhythm player that works hard and is intuitive on the court. His impact metrics are quite good and he's a year younger than SGA.

Is there a reason you aren't interested? Personality fit?

Contract extensions considered, I'd much rather have Kenrich than Herro. That's not intended as a dig at Herro.

You could keep Kenrich but you'd need to send out Dort, Dieng or Poku. Which would you send?

Probably Poku.

[The Servant]

I want OG at PF. and would love Presti to ship Dieng, a frp, and Dort. Is this an overpay?

Chet
OG
Giddey
Jdub
SGA

God damn thats a NASTY line up.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Herro seems to fit what Presti wants. Rhythm player that works hard and is intuitive on the court. His impact metrics are quite good and he's a year younger than SGA.

Is there a reason you aren't interested? Personality fit?

Contract extensions considered, I'd much rather have Kenrich than Herro. That's not intended as a dig at Herro.

You could keep Kenrich but you'd need to send out Dort, Dieng or Poku. Which would you send?

Dort. He is the least valuable player on the roster, in terms of trade value. It isn't close. Anyone that wants to take him into cap space can have him. No one was more of a negative on the court for OKC last year than Dort. Mann was as much of a negative, but at a much cheaper cost and being younger with a chance to become at least a neutral presence on the court if he can return to his rookie level of 3pt shooting. Dort has never been a positive influence on the court, can't finish, can't shoot and is drastically overpaid. Dort has no redeeming qualities. Betterans has a much better contract today than Dort because at least you can be rid of that black hole after this season.

[Kizz Fastfists]

I want OG at PF. and would love Presti to ship Dieng, a frp, and Dort. Is this an overpay?

That would be a steal in terms of talent, but OG isn't a player OKC needs unless you don't think they have enough wings already. Dieng and a FRP isn't even enough to convince a competent GM to take Dort's contract. You are short a FRP then you would need to add OG's value. The other problem is that you are somehow under the false impression that OG Anunaby is a PF. He is a SF that played 50% of his minutes at SG last year and 1% at PF. In '22-'23 he played 9% of his minutes at PF. Do you want OKC to have a lineup where everyone plays out of position? Might as well go with Jalen, Jaylin, JRE, Sarr and Chet. Jalen is a PG in the same way OG is a PF. Jalen played 9% of his minutes at PG last year!

[The Servant]

I want OG at PF. and would love Presti to ship Dieng, a frp, and Dort. Is this an overpay?

That would be a steal in terms of talent, but OG isn't a player OKC needs unless you don't think they have enough wings already. Dieng and a FRP isn't even enough to convince a competent GM to take Dort's contract. You are short a FRP then you would need to add OG's value. The other problem is that you are somehow under the false impression that OG Anunaby is a PF. He is a SF that played 50% of his minutes at SG last year and 1% at PF. In '22-'23 he played 9% of his minutes at PF. Do you want OKC to have a lineup where everyone plays out of position? Might as well go with Jalen, Jaylin, JRE, Sarr and Chet. Jalen is a PG in the same way OG is a PF. Jalen played 9% of his minutes at PG last year!

OG is 6'8 230 with a 7'2 wingspan. He plays big and is a defensive minded player who can stretch the floor. With a line up running Chet, Jdub and OG you have 3 players with wingspans over 7 foot. Defense is going to be nice, just need another big to body up traditional centers in match ups. That length would be difficult for any line up to pass through and shoot over.

[Kizz Fastfists]

I want OG at PF. and would love Presti to ship Dieng, a frp, and Dort. Is this an overpay?

That would be a steal in terms of talent, but OG isn't a player OKC needs unless you don't think they have enough wings already. Dieng and a FRP isn't even enough to convince a competent GM to take Dort's contract. You are short a FRP then you would need to add OG's value. The other problem is that you are somehow under the false impression that OG Anunaby is a PF. He is a SF that played 50% of his minutes at SG last year and 1% at PF. In '22-'23 he played 9% of his minutes at PF. Do you want OKC to have a lineup where everyone plays out of position? Might as well go with Jalen, Jaylin, JRE, Sarr and Chet. Jalen is a PG in the same way OG is a PF. Jalen played 9% of his minutes at PG last year!

OG is 6'8 230 with a 7'2 wingspan. He plays big and is a defensive minded player who can stretch the floor. With a line up running Chet, Jdub and OG you have 3 players with wingspans over 7 foot. Defense is going to be nice, just need another big to body up traditional centers in match ups. That length would be difficult for any line up to pass through and shoot over.

If you have SGA-Giddy-Jalen/OG-Chet-Center then Jalen or OG is your 6th man you have a very nice group there with great length on the floor at all times. Throw in Cason as a 3&D PG off the bench and Jaylin as your backup center then JRE can be your backup PF and Joe, Wiggins, Kenrich or Mann can fill in the other wing spot. You have depth and versatility. They would still need another big man on the roster, but that could be handled easily enough as they wouldn't need to keep all those combo guards and wings.

Are you suggesting Giddy be the 6th man and running SGA-Jalen-OG-Chet-Center as the starting lineup? I could see that working as well.