2017-2018 OKC Thunder Regular Season Thread Part Deux: Follow the Melo Brick Road

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Post#321 » by getrichordie » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:15 pm

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slick_watts wrote:dion waiters part II? you're going to look foolish when corey brewer stops shooting 43% from three and 90%+ from the line. even shooting this well, it's not a given that he's better than andre roberson.

this clown is still clowning.

yes, i think he's a professional clown.


I understand, this success must be hard for you to watch. Resorting to name calling, shocking :roll:


C’mon, guys. Keep it clean. It’s okay to disagree, but chill out with the name calling. Remember, we are just here to have fun talking about the team on here.

Anyways, time will tell. It should be noted that Roberson’s negative offensive impact would be amplified in the playoffs. He doesn’t have a Durant to make up for his lack of spacing. Teams adjust hard to Roberson and sag off and pack the paint making it extremely hard for Russ to score, thus greatly limiting the offense.


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Post#322 » by Pillendreher » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:17 pm

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bondom34 wrote:They've been good for the first-time in 2 months and naturally it starts making people angry.

Makes total sense.


I'm not angry. I just don't like baseless, agenda-driven gloating.

Kinda feels like what both sides are doing.


In what way am I gloating?
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Post#323 » by ThunderBolt » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:18 pm

getrichordie wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:
slick_watts wrote:dion waiters part II? you're going to look foolish when corey brewer stops shooting 43% from three and 90%+ from the line. even shooting this well, it's not a given that he's better than andre roberson.

this clown is still clowning.

yes, i think he's a professional clown.


I understand, this success must be hard for you to watch. Resorting to name calling, shocking :roll:


C’mon, guys. Keep it clean. It’s okay to disagree, but chill out with the name calling. Remember, we are just here to have fun talking about the team on here.

Anyways, time will tell. It should be noted that Roberson’s negative offensive impact would be amplified in the playoffs. He doesn’t have a Durant to make up for his lack of spacing. Teams adjust hard to Roberson and sag off and pack the paint making it extremely hard for Russ to score, thus greatly limiting the offense.


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Post#324 » by Andre Roberstan » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:33 pm

slick_watts wrote:dion waiters part II? you're going to look foolish when corey brewer stops shooting 43% from three and 90%+ from the line. even shooting this well, it's not a given that he's better than andre roberson.

this clown is still clowning.

yes, i think he's a professional clown.


Justin, you've been around way too long to resort to name calling. You know better. Chill.
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Post#325 » by bondom34 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:39 pm

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bondom34 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
I'm not angry. I just don't like baseless, agenda-driven gloating.

Kinda feels like what both sides are doing.


In what way am I gloating?

Not you.
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Post#326 » by hardenASG13 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:39 pm

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hardenASG13 wrote:I know it's hard to believe that a competent 2 guard would make things easier on the stars offensively, and thrive offensively since the other teams can't focus on him, but it's true.


See, this is something you don't realize: Variance is part of the game, but it's not something you can rely on. Right now, the Russ-Brewer-George-Adams is at 61.6 TS%. If that were the shooting numbers for a team, that team would rank 1st in the league. We are 24th in 3P% on the season. This is not gonna last. They're shooting 44 % from 3 as a group with only one guy that has been close to 40 % individually this season: George. And he's at 37 %, so you know the great shooting is coming from somewhere else. Melo is capabable of providing shooting, but he's not a 50 % 3pt shooter. Corey Brewer is shooting 47 % from 3, basically 20 points above his career average.

Let's do a though experiment: Corey Brewer is 8/17 from 3 with the starters. Last season in the Playoffs, Andre Roberson shot 7/17 against the Rockets in the 1st round. Would you be on here praising Roberson for his shot making and that the Thunder finally got a competent shooter at the 2? No, because that goes against your agenda and is also nonsense because Roberson is a non-shooter. So why doesn't this apply to Brewer as well? He's a 31 % career 3pt shooter from the corners. He's at 54 % for us. Deep down, you know it is not gonna last. But of course you won't let an opportunity like this go to waste.


I don't think the 3 point percentages are going to last, but I do think they will improve for everyone, across the board compared to what they were playing with Roberson or the others. That's a good thing.

Brewer may be a career 31% shooter from the corners, but as I've always tried to tell you, if given Roberson looks, any competent NBA player would look like a great shooter. Your point with last year's playoffs is a major stretch. Roberson got looks like that his whole career (thankfully he stopped taking them this year). He often passed them up, killing the flow of the offense, missed badly, or allowed the defense to reset as they wouldn't even close out on him. Brewer must be loving the ease and quality of looks he's getting. He won't shoot 50% most likely, but he will continue to thrive with the easy opportunities he gets (NBA wings are supposed to be able to make layups off the dribble) and the stars will benefit from playing heavy minutes with a wing who the defense has to respect. As a team, they are far more dangerous in my opinion.
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Post#327 » by hardenASG13 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:41 pm

bondom34 wrote:Why can't we just enjoy nice things. They're playing well at the moment. Foe this I am grateful.


I'm enjoying it. Also have believed in it all year, and always told you what replacing Roberson with a competent wing would do. It's been great!
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Post#328 » by hardenASG13 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:44 pm

bondom34 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
bondom34 wrote:They've been good for the first-time in 2 months and naturally it starts making people angry.

Makes total sense.


I'm not angry. I just don't like baseless, agenda-driven gloating.

Kinda feels like what both sides are doing.


Thank you! Almost all of you jumped unfairly at the chance to compare Roberson to abrines, huestis and a 170 pound 19 year old rookie. You can't get offended when an actual competent NBA player (who btw, is a dime a dozen throughout the league) gets a chance and the team takes off.
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Post#329 » by bondom34 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:44 pm

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bondom34 wrote:Why can't we just enjoy nice things. They're playing well at the moment. Foe this I am grateful.


I'm enjoying it. Also have believed in it all year, and always told you what replacing Roberson with a competent wing would do. It's been great!

Except they were better with Roberson than Brewer so you would have to explain what's been great.
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Post#330 » by dakomish23 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:45 pm

Melo is shooting 43% from 3 on 6.7 3PA since the ASB. It’s higher than his FG% during that span (39%). 34 3’s in those 12 games. ‬

I think Pill posted the tweet with Adams getting more looks. Makes sense for many reasons. Let Melo / Patterson space out, let Adams dominate inside, let Russ and PG be the top 10 players they are and everyone else try (TRY) to fill in the gaps.
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Post#331 » by bondom34 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:46 pm

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bondom34 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
I'm not angry. I just don't like baseless, agenda-driven gloating.

Kinda feels like what both sides are doing.


Thank you! Almost all of you jumped unfairly at the chance to compare Roberson to abrines, huestis and a 170 pound 19 year old rookie. You can't get offended when an actual competent NBA player (who btw, is a dime a dozen throughout the league) gets a chance and the team takes off.

I was on your side but didn't realize this was your stance.

Nevermind. I just would rather avoid name calling. But yeah Roberson was by a good margin better than Brewer.
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Post#332 » by dakomish23 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:50 pm

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bondom34 wrote:Why can't we just enjoy nice things. They're playing well at the moment. Foe this I am grateful.


I'm enjoying it. Also have believed in it all year, and always told you what replacing Roberson with a competent wing would do. It's been great!


I’m far from anti Roberson, but I think this highlights that in the offseason, they need to find an good bench 3&D wing.

I think the Knicks will finally let go of Lee if Presti would be interested.
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Post#333 » by Pillendreher » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:53 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:I don't think the 3 point percentages are going to last, but I do think they will improve for everyone, across the board compared to what they were playing with Roberson or the others. That's a good thing.


How? And why? Nobody cares defensively about Corey 28 % from 3 Brewer. They're not gonna give Melo and George more space to guard him. Melo even talked about that yesterday, said that the Raptors were staying home on both him and George.

hardenASG13 wrote:He won't shoot 50% most likely, but he will continue to thrive with the easy opportunities he gets (NBA wings are supposed to be able to make layups off the dribble) and the stars will benefit from playing heavy minutes with a wing who the defense has to respect. As a team, they are far more dangerous in my opinion.


Where's the evidence that Corey Brewer never got easy looks in his career? Where's the evidence for this team greatly outplaying its Roberson lineups with guys being able to make corner 3s out there?
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Post#334 » by hardenASG13 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:08 pm

bondom34 wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Why can't we just enjoy nice things. They're playing well at the moment. Foe this I am grateful.


I'm enjoying it. Also have believed in it all year, and always told you what replacing Roberson with a competent wing would do. It's been great!

Except they were better with Roberson than Brewer so you would have to explain what's been great.


He joined the team 60 something games into the season, and has instantly been great? They've barely practiced together....goes to show how easy the thunder wing spot is for a guy. Brewer will make things so much easier in the playoffs, especially as they continue to build chemistry.
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Post#335 » by hardenASG13 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:13 pm

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hardenASG13 wrote:I don't think the 3 point percentages are going to last, but I do think they will improve for everyone, across the board compared to what they were playing with Roberson or the others. That's a good thing.


How? And why? Nobody cares defensively about Corey 28 % from 3 Brewer. They're not gonna give Melo and George more space to guard him. Melo even talked about that yesterday, said that the Raptors were staying home on both him and George.

They care more about him than Roberson, by a wide margin. Also unlike Roberson, he can burn them if they choose to ignore him, as I think he's scored over Robersons career high twice now in his 6 starts.

hardenASG13 wrote:He won't shoot 50% most likely, but he will continue to thrive with the easy opportunities he gets (NBA wings are supposed to be able to make layups off the dribble) and the stars will benefit from playing heavy minutes with a wing who the defense has to respect. As a team, they are far more dangerous in my opinion.


Where's the evidence that Corey Brewer never got easy looks in his career? Where's the evidence for this team greatly outplaying its Roberson lineups with guys being able to make corner 3s out there?


They've been playing great and haven't lost with a guy who was riding the bench in LA and isn't considered an above average player at his position. If you think he's got looks like this consistently you don't watch teams other than OKC. It's a really easy spot, at least while they still have george.
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Post#336 » by bondom34 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:14 pm

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hardenASG13 wrote:
I'm enjoying it. Also have believed in it all year, and always told you what replacing Roberson with a competent wing would do. It's been great!

Except they were better with Roberson than Brewer so you would have to explain what's been great.


He joined the team 60 something games into the season, and has instantly been great? They've barely practiced together....goes to show how easy the thunder wing spot is for a guy. Brewer will make things so much easier in the playoffs, especially as they continue to build chemistry.

And they were much better with Roberson.

Brewer shot 25 percent on open 3s in Houston last year.

Hes at 56 percent the last 9 games.

Roberson is without question better and the only reason I don't have much hope in the playoffs is his injury
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Post#337 » by hardenASG13 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:23 pm

bondom34 wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Except they were better with Roberson than Brewer so you would have to explain what's been great.


He joined the team 60 something games into the season, and has instantly been great? They've barely practiced together....goes to show how easy the thunder wing spot is for a guy. Brewer will make things so much easier in the playoffs, especially as they continue to build chemistry.

And they were much better with Roberson.

Brewer shot 25 percent on open 3s in Houston last year.

Hes at 56 percent the last 9 games.

Roberson is without question better and the only reason I don't have much hope in the playoffs is his injury


They certainly could use Roberson for depth in the playoffs, no question. Brewer gives them a chance though, they are at least scary again. Gonna be hard to beat a team with these starters, felton, grant and patterson (with some abrines/huestis sprinkled in) 4 times out of 7 when they are rested, practicing for 1 opponent, and motivated every game (which clearly has been a problem for them but won't be come playoff time, they all have something to prove).
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Post#338 » by bondom34 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:27 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:
He joined the team 60 something games into the season, and has instantly been great? They've barely practiced together....goes to show how easy the thunder wing spot is for a guy. Brewer will make things so much easier in the playoffs, especially as they continue to build chemistry.

And they were much better with Roberson.

Brewer shot 25 percent on open 3s in Houston last year.

Hes at 56 percent the last 9 games.

Roberson is without question better and the only reason I don't have much hope in the playoffs is his injury


They certainly could use Roberson for depth in the playoffs, no question. Brewer gives them a chance though, they are at least scary again. Gonna be hard to beat a team with these starters, felton, grant and patterson (with some abrines/huestis sprinkled in) 4 times out of 7 when they are rested, practicing for 1 opponent, and motivated every game (which clearly has been a problem for them but won't be come playoff time, they all have something to prove).

I'm assuming you mean they would keep Brewer to be bench depth which I would be all done with. But yes if Brewer keeps being the best 3 point shot in the league they have a chance.
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Post#339 » by slick_watts » Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:03 pm

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slick_watts wrote:dion waiters part II? you're going to look foolish when corey brewer stops shooting 43% from three and 90%+ from the line. even shooting this well, it's not a given that he's better than andre roberson.

this clown is still clowning.

yes, i think he's a professional clown.


Justin, you've been around way too long to resort to name calling. You know better. Chill.


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Post#340 » by perempe20 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:17 pm

Westbrook took less 3-point attempts during the streak.

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