OKC Thunder Trades and Transaction Thread

thedoppelganger · Post #341 » by **thedoppelganger** » Sat May 21, 2022 9:58 pm

I'm still skeptical he wants to make the move but if he's serious about coming over this summer, our best bet of using him to trade up is going from either 30 or 34 to one of the playoff teams in the 20s like Denver, MIlwaukee, Brooklyn. Don't think someone at his age will move the needle for NYK, Was, or anyone else just in front of us at 12.

mr570 · Post #342 » by **mr570** » Sat May 21, 2022 10:20 pm

thedoppelganger wrote: going from either 30 or 34 to one of the playoff teams in the 20s like Denver, MIlwaukee, Brooklyn.

I like this idea a lot and they need to consolidate a couple of those picks don't they?

Devilanche · Post #343 » by **Devilanche** » Sun May 22, 2022 6:12 am

Sounds like Denver would be the best target . On the basis that their guard have quite a fair bit of minutes to spare .

Post #344 » by **Dadouv47** » Sun May 22, 2022 2:09 pm

#30, Kenrich and rights for Micic could lead you to #21? Adding #34 would be an overpay but still fine if Presti's guy is available at #21.

Guess Denver gonna ask for their 2023 pick back though

thedoppelganger · Post #345 » by **thedoppelganger** » Sun May 22, 2022 8:14 pm

mr570 wrote:
thedoppelganger wrote: going from either 30 or 34 to one of the playoff teams in the 20s like Denver, MIlwaukee, Brooklyn.

I like this idea a lot and they need to consolidate a couple of those picks don't they?

It makes sense given the already shrinking roster spots and minutes will be tough to come by for the non-lotto picks outside of playing with the Blue. 3 draftees seems like a reasonable number as of now.

Could even take back a JaMychal Green type salary from Denver or Milwaukee.

Balkman32 · Post #346 » by **Balkman32** » Sat May 28, 2022 11:25 am

Devilanche wrote:Sounds like Denver would be the best target . On the basis that their guard have quite a fair bit of minutes to spare .

New Orleans and Washington are both in need of point guards.

Balkman32 · Post #347 » by **Balkman32** » Sun May 29, 2022 12:58 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:#30, Kenrich and rights for Micic could lead you to #21? Adding #34 would be an overpay but still fine if Presti's guy is available at #21.

Guess Denver gonna ask for their 2023 pick back though

I think you should be able to get #21 for Micic straight up. He is going to come in and be a guy you can play in the playoffs.

Devilanche · Post #348 » by **Devilanche** » Mon May 30, 2022 5:03 am

Balkman32 wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:#30, Kenrich and rights for Micic could lead you to #21? Adding #34 would be an overpay but still fine if Presti's guy is available at #21.

Guess Denver gonna ask for their 2023 pick back though

I think you should be able to get #21 for Micic straight up. He is going to come in and be a guy you can play in the playoffs.

Any first seems like an overpay. Our best hope is that he’s worth moving from 30 to 20s

jake_swivel · Post #349 » by **jake_swivel** » Mon May 30, 2022 4:53 pm

Balkman32 wrote:
I think you should be able to get #21 for Micic straight up. He is going to come in and be a guy you can play in the playoffs.

Whoever that would be trading for him would have to pay over the rookie scale. Is he worth whatever you’d have to pay him as well as an early 20s pick when you could just get a free agent?

Post #350 » by **retrobro90** » Thu Jun 2, 2022 2:13 am

Just wanna put it out there that I feel theres generally too much emotional attachment to Dort from the fanbase. I understand all his positives. Great teammate and great point of attack defender. Even showcases a little self creation now and then. Improved his finishing and vertical.

But.

Is he actually being guarded by anyone on the opposing team? Hes scoring 17ppg pretty inefficiently. I dont think hes tenable as a starter unless youve got top tier guys to surround him with and im not willing to pass on what could be awesome talent at the guard/wing spot just because of what Lu brings to the table. Maybe im crazy but id just really like to have someone who's more of a threat on offense playing next to Shai/Giddey.

jake_swivel · Post #351 » by **jake_swivel** » Thu Jun 2, 2022 3:59 am

retrobro90 wrote:Just wanna put it out there that I feel theres generally too much emotional attachment to Dort from the fanbase. I understand all his positives. Great teammate and great point of attack defender. Even showcases a little self creation now and then. Improved his finishing and vertical.

But.

Is he actually being guarded by anyone on the opposing team? Hes scoring 17ppg pretty inefficiently. I dont think hes tenable as a starter unless youve got top tier guys to surround him with and im not willing to pass on what could be awesome talent at the guard/wing spot just because of what Lu brings to the table. Maybe im crazy but id just really like to have someone who's more of a threat on offense playing next to Shai/Giddey.

For the “is he a good fit next to Shai and Josh?” question it seems like the answer is definitely no if we are talking as a starter. And that’s how you will have to pay him. But then you have the “he’s Shai’s BFF” aspect, which makes this even less straight forward.

The thunder are in a strange spot right now. It’s unlikely that whoever is drafted this year is going to be the final building block. You’ll likely need another top tier talent. As is, I think OKC will have a difficult time tanking next year to get that piece if there is internal improvement. And you’d think there would have to be from a roster this young. I think if they wanted to, they could be a play-in team. How long is Shai gonna be cool with the tanking? He have another year in him? I don’t think I’d be if I was him. Is he cool with trading dort? Does okc have to pay dort like a starter to keep shai happy? Even if they decided to trade Shai, last year was the year to do it. I’m not seeing sure fire stars in this draft.

So you keep shai, which decreases your ability to tank. And you keep dort because you don’t want to trade away your star’s friend. And then you can’t get what you need. Double bind. Maybe next year you trade shai, your pick, and other firsts to see if you can get wembanaya. Outside of a bunch of luck, I think okc is destined to become the jazz.

Mr Thunder Nick · Post #352 » by **Mr Thunder Nick** » Thu Jun 2, 2022 8:02 am

We can't tank for an other year. We destroy the motivation from our young guys. Go and play for the "play in"

DetCade · Post #353 » by **DetCade** » Thu Jun 2, 2022 12:52 pm

Draft day trade (OKC- Detroit)
SGA for #5, Killian Hayes

Post #354 » by **Dadouv47** » Thu Jun 2, 2022 1:19 pm

DetCade wrote:Draft day trade (OKC- Detroit)
SGA for #5, Killian Hayes

sorry but this is not going to happen. I think a Cade/SGA duo would be fantastic but gonna need to add a lot more value for Presti to think about it. Hayes has little to no value, this is basically a SGA for Sharpe swap.

Post #355 » by **ThunderBolt** » Thu Jun 2, 2022 1:43 pm

I'll keep Shai and take number 5 for taking on Hayes contract.

RunOKC · Post #356 » by **RunOKC** » Thu Jun 2, 2022 2:08 pm

Dort is a winning player period. He fits on any team and we'd be fools not to lock him in.

jake_swivel · Post #357 » by **jake_swivel** » Thu Jun 2, 2022 2:53 pm

Mr Thunder Nick wrote:We can't tank for an other year. We destroy the motivation from our young guys. Go and play for the "play in"

Would you be satisfied if okc ended up becoming the grit and grind era grizzlies? First or second round for five years or so? Low to mid 50 win seasons? Maybe a conference finals mixed in? Genuine question.

jake_swivel · Post #358 » by **jake_swivel** » Thu Jun 2, 2022 2:55 pm

RunOKC wrote:Dort is a winning player period. He fits on any team and we'd be fools not to lock him in.

What if the asking price is $18 million? Still fools? Doesn’t the foolishness depend on getting him at the right price, considering he’s a borderline starter?

Post #359 » by **ThunderBolt** » Thu Jun 2, 2022 4:50 pm

jake_swivel wrote:
RunOKC wrote:Dort is a winning player period. He fits on any team and we'd be fools not to lock him in.

What if the asking price is $18 million? Still fools? Doesn’t the foolishness depend on getting him at the right price, considering he’s a borderline starter?

I always feel bad like I'm crapping on Dort but that's not my intent. His three point shot is still well below league average and that is despite teams being willing to let him shoot. He still struggles finishing at the rim. He's wildly streaky when he does hit his threes. The more of an offensive load he carries, the more his defense suffers. That's true with anyone but I noticed it more this year.

Lu's defensive ability is very much dependant on the match up. He isn't going to get bullied by many people but he struggles when he faced taller, longer players. No matter how much you like Lu, that type of player has a cap on how much they get paid. If Lu shoots 38% this season and teams are being forced to guard him, it's a different story for me. Honestly I believe his biggest strength is being Shai's bff.

Post #360 » by **Dadouv47** » Thu Jun 2, 2022 5:09 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:
jake_swivel wrote:
RunOKC wrote:Dort is a winning player period. He fits on any team and we'd be fools not to lock him in.

What if the asking price is $18 million? Still fools? Doesn’t the foolishness depend on getting him at the right price, considering he’s a borderline starter?

I always feel bad like I'm crapping on Dort but that's not my intent. His three point shot is still well below league average and that is despite teams being willing to let him shoot. He still struggles finishing at the rim. He's wildly streaky when he does hit his threes. The more of an offensive load he carries, the more his defense suffers. That's true with anyone but I noticed it more this year.

Lu's defensive ability is very much dependant on the match up. He isn't going to get bullied by many people but he struggles when he faced taller, longer players. No matter how much you like Lu, that type of player has a cap on how much they get paid. If Lu shoots 38% this season and teams are being forced to guard him, it's a different story for me. Honestly I believe his biggest strength is being Shai's bff.

Agree with your post but I think he improved a lot this season finishing at the rim (maybe I should look at advanced stats to be sure)

Fair to say that his defense is very dependent on the match up...he isn't Roberson.

And yes, I would trade Dort if he wasn't Shai's bff. I like him as a player but I'm worried about the lack of shooting between him, Giddey and Shai. I don't mind extending him to something like 4 years / 64 millions though because I don't think he will lose that much trade value.