Thunder Offseason Thread

[Old Man Game]

I don’t see a reason for the Thunder to attach a draft asset to CP3. The Thunder can keep his contract on the books and have no issue with it. If no one wants him now, wait till December 15. It only takes one GM to take his contract. I bet 5-10 GM’s won’t be with their team to see out the CP3 contract anyway.

CP3 sells jerseys, tickets and gives his teammates easy buckets. Yes he can be a pain sometimes but he is still a quality NBA player.

If a trade does not happen by Monday there might be a little waiting period until this goes down.

Hopefully they can find another team to send CP3 to other than Miami because they seem to be pretty stubborn about these older PG’s. Then we can send them Schröder.

I don't think he sells that much jerseys anymore but I prefer to give 40 millions/year while chilling at home than trading a first round pick to get rid of him.

trading 1-2 picks to get out of cp3's contract would be fine. it's ultimately the price the thunder are paying for not rebuilding right after kevin durant left and, as royce put it, kicking the can down the road for a few more seasons. they'll still have plenty of assets and a clean cap sheet beyond 2020-21 most likely so it won't hurt the rebuild much at all. cp3 isn't going to be on the roster sitting at home twiddling his thumbs at 34 years old and wanting to be on a contender. that's not how sam presti operates. it was quickly reported after the trade that presti was meeting with leon rose to discuss options, and assuming cp3 doesn't want to play for the thunder-- he won't play for the thunder. just like melo and westbrook.

I think people have come to the point where they are now overstating the importance of some of these draft picks. I had a coworker yesterday try and tell me that we should literally just cut Paul a check for $127 million rather than trade any of our draft picks to offload him. LOLOL.

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[jake_swivel]

I don't think he sells that much jerseys anymore but I prefer to give 40 millions/year while chilling at home than trading a first round pick to get rid of him.

trading 1-2 picks to get out of cp3's contract would be fine. it's ultimately the price the thunder are paying for not rebuilding right after kevin durant left and, as royce put it, kicking the can down the road for a few more seasons. they'll still have plenty of assets and a clean cap sheet beyond 2020-21 most likely so it won't hurt the rebuild much at all. cp3 isn't going to be on the roster sitting at home twiddling his thumbs at 34 years old and wanting to be on a contender. that's not how sam presti operates. it was quickly reported after the trade that presti was meeting with leon rose to discuss options, and assuming cp3 doesn't want to play for the thunder-- he won't play for the thunder. just like melo and westbrook.

I think people have come to the point where they are now overstating the importance of some of these draft picks. I had a coworker yesterday try and tell me that we should literally just cut Paul a check for $127 million rather than trade any of our draft picks to offload him. LOLOL.

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For real. You can buy late firsts for 3-4 million every year.

[Balkman32]

I don't think he sells that much jerseys anymore but I prefer to give 40 millions/year while chilling at home than trading a first round pick to get rid of him.

trading 1-2 picks to get out of cp3's contract would be fine. it's ultimately the price the thunder are paying for not rebuilding right after kevin durant left and, as royce put it, kicking the can down the road for a few more seasons. they'll still have plenty of assets and a clean cap sheet beyond 2020-21 most likely so it won't hurt the rebuild much at all. cp3 isn't going to be on the roster sitting at home twiddling his thumbs at 34 years old and wanting to be on a contender. that's not how sam presti operates. it was quickly reported after the trade that presti was meeting with leon rose to discuss options, and assuming cp3 doesn't want to play for the thunder-- he won't play for the thunder. just like melo and westbrook.

I think people have come to the point where they are now overstating the importance of some of these draft picks. I had a coworker yesterday try and tell me that we should literally just cut Paul a check for $127 million rather than trade any of our draft picks to offload him. LOLOL.

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It’s not that I over value the picks it’s just that there is no reason to give up an asset to move a guy we don’t have to move. Now if it is draft night 2021 and we are looking at the possibility of creating 2 max slots because we have word 2 guys wanna come to OKC because they see how asset rich we are then you can attach assets. But, we are in the drivers seat rn. Even if we play CP3 every other game (Load Management) in the beginning of the season I think there will be a team calling for him.

[thor19]

I don’t see a reason for the Thunder to attach a draft asset to CP3. The Thunder can keep his contract on the books and have no issue with it. If no one wants him now, wait till December 15. It only takes one GM to take his contract. I bet 5-10 GM’s won’t be with their team to see out the CP3 contract anyway.

CP3 sells jerseys, tickets and gives his teammates easy buckets. Yes he can be a pain sometimes but he is still a quality NBA player.

If a trade does not happen by Monday there might be a little waiting period until this goes down.

Hopefully they can find another team to send CP3 to other than Miami because they seem to be pretty stubborn about these older PG’s. Then we can send them Schröder.

The value of a mid to late 20s pick in the upcoming draft (denver's pick) seems less to me than the value of increasing the value of the Thunder's own first (via losing more games), the value of creating a clear role for Shai (who, so far, is the asset with the highest value in either trade), and the value of creating a locker room without distractions (which, given the age of the roster, could be combustible).

Not only that if we can give two or three picks and get some players that fit our timeline I am ok with that , mid late picks from denver or clippers vs get out of cp3 contract and get a players like dragic that can get you a first round pick or get a players like herro or winslow that fit our timeline or bam that can get you to trade adams for even more picks

[Dadouv47]

I don’t see a reason for the Thunder to attach a draft asset to CP3. The Thunder can keep his contract on the books and have no issue with it. If no one wants him now, wait till December 15. It only takes one GM to take his contract. I bet 5-10 GM’s won’t be with their team to see out the CP3 contract anyway.

CP3 sells jerseys, tickets and gives his teammates easy buckets. Yes he can be a pain sometimes but he is still a quality NBA player.

If a trade does not happen by Monday there might be a little waiting period until this goes down.

Hopefully they can find another team to send CP3 to other than Miami because they seem to be pretty stubborn about these older PG’s. Then we can send them Schröder.

I don't think he sells that much jerseys anymore but I prefer to give 40 millions/year while chilling at home than trading a first round pick to get rid of him.

trading 1-2 picks to get out of cp3's contract would be fine. it's ultimately the price the thunder are paying for not rebuilding right after kevin durant left and, as royce put it, kicking the can down the road for a few more seasons. they'll still have plenty of assets and a clean cap sheet beyond 2020-21 most likely so it won't hurt the rebuild much at all. cp3 isn't going to be on the roster sitting at home twiddling his thumbs at 34 years old and wanting to be on a contender. that's not how sam presti operates. it was quickly reported after the trade that presti was meeting with leon rose to discuss options, and assuming cp3 doesn't want to play for the thunder-- he won't play for the thunder. just like melo and westbrook.

Trading 1 pick would be ok. Trading 2 would mean we just swapped Westbrook for Chris Paul. Even if Westbrook's contract is terrible, it's still way better than CP3 so the Westbrook trade would be bad if we have to give up 2 first round picks for CP3 (unless we receive at least Winslow or something)

[Dadouv47]

I don't think he sells that much jerseys anymore but I prefer to give 40 millions/year while chilling at home than trading a first round pick to get rid of him.

trading 1-2 picks to get out of cp3's contract would be fine. it's ultimately the price the thunder are paying for not rebuilding right after kevin durant left and, as royce put it, kicking the can down the road for a few more seasons. they'll still have plenty of assets and a clean cap sheet beyond 2020-21 most likely so it won't hurt the rebuild much at all. cp3 isn't going to be on the roster sitting at home twiddling his thumbs at 34 years old and wanting to be on a contender. that's not how sam presti operates. it was quickly reported after the trade that presti was meeting with leon rose to discuss options, and assuming cp3 doesn't want to play for the thunder-- he won't play for the thunder. just like melo and westbrook.

I think people have come to the point where they are now overstating the importance of some of these draft picks. I had a coworker yesterday try and tell me that we should literally just cut Paul a check for $127 million rather than trade any of our draft picks to offload him. LOLOL.

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that's why I want to trade some first round picks for young prospects, not to get rid of Chris *** Paul

[Balkman32]

Every team has to hit the salary floor of $98 million this year and it goes up every year. If we ain’t tryin to go to the playoffs does it really matter that we pay Paul $44 million?

[Dadouv47]

Every team has to hit the salary floor of $98 million this year and it goes up every year. If we ain’t tryin to go to the playoffs does it really matter that we pay Paul $44 million?

Nope. Problem is that CP3 and his agent will make it harder for Presti. We don't owe CP3 anything so I hope Presti won't be a fool.

[Balkman32]

Every team has to hit the salary floor of $98 million this year and it goes up every year. If we ain’t tryin to go to the playoffs does it really matter that we pay Paul $44 million?

Nope. Problem is that CP3 and his agent will make it harder for Presti. We don't owe CP3 anything so I hope Presti won't be a fool.

I could be wrong here. I didn’t think we would have to pay a first round pick in 2022 to take on Schroeder’s $46 million over 3 years for Melo’s $28 million over 1 year but we did...

[Dadouv47]

Every team has to hit the salary floor of $98 million this year and it goes up every year. If we ain’t tryin to go to the playoffs does it really matter that we pay Paul $44 million?

Nope. Problem is that CP3 and his agent will make it harder for Presti. We don't owe CP3 anything so I hope Presti won't be a fool.

I could be wrong here. I didn’t think we would have to pay a first round pick in 2022 to take on Schroeder’s $46 million over 3 years for Melo’s $28 million over 1 year but we did...

yeah but the main difference is that we wanted to contend and we had cap space issues. Now it's only about figuring out CP3's future.

Not that we won't end up making a terrible trade but..still a different situation though

[slick_watts]

It’s not that I over value the picks it’s just that there is no reason to give up an asset to move a guy we don’t have to move.

don't -have- to? sure. don't -want- to? no. for the millionth time, sam presti is probably not going to keep chris paul on the team if chris paul doesn't want to be on the team. he could have waited out carmelo anthony. he could have waited out russell westbrook. that is not his style. chris paul could take a bit longer just simply for the fact that he can't be aggregated in trades for 60 days, but the premise is the same.

and there is a reason to do things this way and it's to keep players and agents satisfied. if you haven't been paying attention, the recent power shift in the nba to players and agents is something that i'm sure sam presti is keenly aware of especially during a rebuilding phase.

Trading 1 pick would be ok. Trading 2 would mean we just swapped Westbrook for Chris Paul. Even if Westbrook's contract is terrible, it's still way better than CP3 so the Westbrook trade would be bad if we have to give up 2 first round picks for CP3 (unless we receive at least Winslow or something)

the thunder can choose which picks to make available. so even if they trade two 1st round picks to get out of chris paul's deal, they can be worse picks than the ones we got for russell westbrook. so we'd still have a net gain.

regardless-- and you may disagree on this, i think getting off westbrook's future salary and getting under the tax were the priorities of sam presti and that will be reflected in what is done with chris paul. if we use the draft capital we acquired for westbrook to trade him and get off his salary and maybe package in andre roberson or something, the goal will have been accomplished. getting back a decent player in a westbrook trade was always unrealistic especially considering the time frame.

[Dadouv47]

Read on Twitter

Still some twitter guy but some Miami ''insiders'' told Olynyx and Dion Waiters removed everything related to the Heat from instagram

[Dadouv47]

It’s not that I over value the picks it’s just that there is no reason to give up an asset to move a guy we don’t have to move.

don't -have- to? sure. don't -want- to? no. for the millionth time, sam presti is probably not going to keep chris paul on the team if chris paul doesn't want to be on the team. he could have waited out carmelo anthony. he could have waited out russell westbrook. that is not his style. chris paul could take a bit longer just simply for the fact that he can't be aggregated in trades for 60 days, but the premise is the same.

and there is a reason to do things this way and it's to keep players and agents satisfied. if you haven't been paying attention, the recent power shift in the nba to players and agents is something that i'm sure sam presti is keenly aware of especially during a rebuilding phase.

Trading 1 pick would be ok. Trading 2 would mean we just swapped Westbrook for Chris Paul. Even if Westbrook's contract is terrible, it's still way better than CP3 so the Westbrook trade would be bad if we have to give up 2 first round picks for CP3 (unless we receive at least Winslow or something)

the thunder can choose which picks to make available. so even if they trade two 1st round picks to get out of chris paul's deal, they can be worse picks than the ones we got for russell westbrook. so we'd still have a net gain.

regardless-- and you may disagree on this, i think getting off westbrook's future salary and getting under the tax were the priorities of sam presti and that will be reflected in what is done with chris paul. if we use the draft capital we acquired for westbrook to trade him and get off his salary and maybe package in andre roberson or something, the goal will have been accomplished. getting back a decent player in a westbrook trade was always unrealistic especially considering the time frame.

I know. That's why I'm ''fine'' to give up a first for him.

But it's still the NBA and competition between teams. Let's not act like the league helped us to get the best package possible for Westbrook or that the Clippers send us a great package for PG13 to help us.

And yeah we could send some worse first round picks than the ones we received but that's still some assets we could use in a near future.

[jake_swivel]

Read on Twitter

Still some twitter guy but some Miami ''insiders'' told Olynyx and Dion Waiters removed everything related to the Heat from instagram

It would be a surprise if anyone with "Knicks" in their twitter handle had useful info, and not because the knicks are unrelated to the trade

[jake_swivel]

Although.....the Miami board seems to think the deal dadou mentioned is done with multiple teams involved due to twitter sources. And most of them don't want any Paul deal without multiple picks attached.

[Dadouv47]

Although.....the Miami board seems to think the deal dadou mentioned is done with multiple teams involved due to twitter sources. And most of them don't want any Paul deal without multiple picks attached.

yup several twitter sources saying it.

well there are tons of miami reporters and most of them made some dumb takes on Westbrook to Miami so we still need to see what will happen but odds of happening are high.

[jake_swivel]

Heh

[jake_swivel]

Every team has to hit the salary floor of $98 million this year and it goes up every year. If we ain’t tryin to go to the playoffs does it really matter that we pay Paul $44 million?

The more management gets this team in the black while they aren't competing for the playoffs, the more likely they'll be to invest in the team when they are competing. And considering the recent history of letting Harden go due to cash restraints (which domino-effected pretty much everything negative that has happened so far), it seems important to be financially prudent.

Also, it's impossible to get under the salary floor this season as far as I can see. No teams have enough space to take salary.

[ThunderBolt]

Read on Twitter

Still some twitter guy but some Miami ''insiders'' told Olynyx and Dion Waiters removed everything related to the Heat from instagram

That’s basically the same tweet on the general board but from a different twitter account. At best some reporters might hear rumblings but I’m skeptical of anyone knowing the details of a Sam presti deal.

[spearsy23]

Olynyk, waiters, dragic with no picks attached? If that happens.... This team could be a good solid watch and have some depth to add more assets at the deadline.

Edit: one pick attached. I think we could get that back at the deadline.