Thunder Offseason Thread

Post #3581 » by **Dadouv47** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:13 pm

In the end the question is : OKC would have made a better deal by waiting to find a third team to take CP3 before trading Westbrook or making two separate deals is worse or the same? I'm afraid it could be worse for us.

In the end we got 2 first round picks + 2 swaps in the CP3 deal.

If we give up only one first round pick it's fine. More than it will mean that Westbrook = CP3 in terms of value

Post #3582 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:14 pm

jake_swivel wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:I don’t think Miami is the only suitor. I could see Orlando and Minnesota having interest. San Antonio and Dallas could be dark horse suitors. The outcry of fans on message boards to any proposed trade doesn’t necessarily represent what a front office is thinking.

That's true, for sure.

San Antonio isn't dumb enough to do it in my opinion. Just too out of character. Dallas is dumb enough to do it, but the timeline is off with Porzingis and Luka, plus I don't see them wanting to take the ball out of Luka's hands. Orlando was said to not be interested in Westbrook (although who really knows).

Minny? They have a history of incompetence, so maybe, I guess.

San Antonio doesn’t really have the salary to do it. They don’t have a bad contract like they did with pao gasol. I think they value Derozan too much to trade him, but I could see them wanting Paul. They don’t shy away from older players. I’m not sure what Minnesota’s new front office is thinking. Orlando seems like a team that’s wanting to win now. I think Paul would work well in Dallas and they have the contracts to make it work but I don’t thunk they take Paul if they weren’t willing to take dragic.

jake_swivel · Post #3583 » by **jake_swivel** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:14 pm

slick_watts wrote:we asked the same questions about westbrook to miami. cp3 is going to be traded. i'd be shocked if he wasn't. it might cost a pick or picks to trade him. even if it costs two 1sts we're still in good shape.

It's not the same situation as the Westbrook trade, though. It seemed like it was a 3 team race as far as I could tell with Houston and Miami being the leaders and Detroit as a longshot. Houston is obviously not an option and with Griffin at Detroit, they'd seem to not be an option either.

Like ThunderBolt said, maybe Minny is an option?

Post #3584 » by **Dadouv47** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:16 pm

jake_swivel wrote:
slick_watts wrote:we asked the same questions about westbrook to miami. cp3 is going to be traded. i'd be shocked if he wasn't. it might cost a pick or picks to trade him. even if it costs two 1sts we're still in good shape.

It's not the same situation as the Westbrook trade, though. It seemed like it was a 3 team race as far as I could tell with Houston and Miami being the leaders and Detroit as a longshot. Houston is obviously not an option and with Griffin at Detroit, they'd seem to not be an option either.

Like ThunderBolt said, maybe Minny is an option?

Don't think Minny is willing to take that risk. They know the West is so stacked right now and CP3 won't change that much for them.

Well, it depends. They have Wiggins to trade so...

Post #3585 » by **Dadouv47** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:19 pm

Problem is that wiggins has one more year on his contract compared to CP3.

jake_swivel · Post #3586 » by **jake_swivel** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:21 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:
jake_swivel wrote:
slick_watts wrote:we asked the same questions about westbrook to miami. cp3 is going to be traded. i'd be shocked if he wasn't. it might cost a pick or picks to trade him. even if it costs two 1sts we're still in good shape.

It's not the same situation as the Westbrook trade, though. It seemed like it was a 3 team race as far as I could tell with Houston and Miami being the leaders and Detroit as a longshot. Houston is obviously not an option and with Griffin at Detroit, they'd seem to not be an option either.

Like ThunderBolt said, maybe Minny is an option?

Don't think Minny is willing to take that risk. They know the West is so stacked right now and CP3 won't change that much for them.

Well, it depends. They have Wiggins to trade so...

If I'm Miami, I don't do it for less than getting my picks back.

I think Presti jumped the gun and didn't factor enough how few possibilities there were for Paul.

I absolutely hate the idea of going into the season with Paul, but it also feels like the Thunder have to unless they're willing to give up 2 (or more) picks. Yeesh.

Post #3587 » by **Dadouv47** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:26 pm

jake_swivel wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:
jake_swivel wrote:
It's not the same situation as the Westbrook trade, though. It seemed like it was a 3 team race as far as I could tell with Houston and Miami being the leaders and Detroit as a longshot. Houston is obviously not an option and with Griffin at Detroit, they'd seem to not be an option either.

Like ThunderBolt said, maybe Minny is an option?

Don't think Minny is willing to take that risk. They know the West is so stacked right now and CP3 won't change that much for them.

Well, it depends. They have Wiggins to trade so...

If I'm Miami, I don't do it for less than getting my picks back.

I think Presti jumped the gun and didn't factor enough how few possibilities there were for Paul.

I absolutely hate the idea of going into the season with Paul, but it also feels like the Thunder have to unless they're willing to give up 2 (or more) picks. Yeesh.

I would play CP3 and wait for a team to show some interest. We have 7 great teams in the West but no one knows what can happen during a season. CP3 game ages pretty well so if doesn't get injured his trade value isn't going down.

thor19 · Post #3588 » by **thor19** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:26 pm

Miami is bluffing , or they take cp3 and move bad contracts or take beal but they have to take wall , cp3 and two first for dragic, olynyk or james j (the player they dont want ) and winslow if they dont want to give winslow and is dion instead only one pick maybe the memphis second round

Post #3589 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:27 pm

Read on Twitter

Post #3590 » by **Dadouv47** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:28 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:

Read on Twitter

As I said on GB, time to Bazley and Ferguson to do the same.

Post #3591 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:29 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:

Read on Twitter

As I said on GB, time to Bazley and Ferguson to do the same.

The relationship between Paul and Presti is interesting to say the least.

Post #3592 » by **Dadouv47** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:30 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:

Read on Twitter

As I said on GB, time to Bazley and Ferguson to do the same.

The relationship between Paul and Presti is interesting to say the least.

Which Paul? George, Rich or Chris? :lol:

I know u are talking about Rich Paul

spearsy23 · Post #3593 » by **spearsy23** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:34 pm

jake_swivel wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:Here’s a boring take- maybe it’s way too early to know if he’ll be any good.

For sure. But projection is part of the game. Right now we know he has below average height for his position with a wingspan that is below average for his height. We know his best skill is his shooting and he shot a pretty average 35% from 3 in college (although he shot an elite 95% from the line) which suggests he will have problems creating his own shot. I don't see point guard skills and I don't see him being able to guard his position. Seems like a poor man's Malik Monk.

He's above average height for his position.

Post #3594 » by **Dadouv47** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:41 pm

We already lost Westbrook, Paul George and Grant. At least we got 8 first round picks as a consolation price. Don't want to spend 2 on Chris *** Paul. One is good enough. Otherwise I prefer to take Wiggins's salary and I hate Wiggins and don't want to see him in a Thunder uniform

jake_swivel · Post #3595 » by **jake_swivel** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:46 pm

spearsy23 wrote:
jake_swivel wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:Here’s a boring take- maybe it’s way too early to know if he’ll be any good.

For sure. But projection is part of the game. Right now we know he has below average height for his position with a wingspan that is below average for his height. We know his best skill is his shooting and he shot a pretty average 35% from 3 in college (although he shot an elite 95% from the line) which suggests he will have problems creating his own shot. I don't see point guard skills and I don't see him being able to guard his position. Seems like a poor man's Malik Monk.

He's above average height for his position.

You have him as a PG?

Old Man Game · Post #3596 » by **Old Man Game** » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:15 am

ThunderBolt wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:

Read on Twitter

As I said on GB, time to Bazley and Ferguson to do the same.

The relationship between Paul and Presti is interesting to say the least.

He completely f'ed San Antonio. Dude will wear out his welcome pretty quick.

Balkman32 · Post #3597 » by **Balkman32** » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:57 am

Dadouv47 wrote:
jake_swivel wrote:
slick_watts wrote:we asked the same questions about westbrook to miami. cp3 is going to be traded. i'd be shocked if he wasn't. it might cost a pick or picks to trade him. even if it costs two 1sts we're still in good shape.

It's not the same situation as the Westbrook trade, though. It seemed like it was a 3 team race as far as I could tell with Houston and Miami being the leaders and Detroit as a longshot. Houston is obviously not an option and with Griffin at Detroit, they'd seem to not be an option either.

Like ThunderBolt said, maybe Minny is an option?

Don't think Minny is willing to take that risk. They know the West is so stacked right now and CP3 won't change that much for them.

Well, it depends. They have Wiggins to trade so...

Minny’s GM just came from Houston. Wonder if that helps or hurst that situation...

I think CP3 still has some left in the tank. People state oh he only played 50 games last year. That’s exactly where you want him. It will keep him fresher for the playoffs.

spearsy23 · Post #3598 » by **spearsy23** » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:57 am

jake_swivel wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:
jake_swivel wrote:
For sure. But projection is part of the game. Right now we know he has below average height for his position with a wingspan that is below average for his height. We know his best skill is his shooting and he shot a pretty average 35% from 3 in college (although he shot an elite 95% from the line) which suggests he will have problems creating his own shot. I don't see point guard skills and I don't see him being able to guard his position. Seems like a poor man's Malik Monk.

He's above average height for his position.

You have him as a PG?

He's 6'6" in shoes. Average height for a sg is 6'5"

spearsy23 · Post #3599 » by **spearsy23** » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:58 am

Balkman32 wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:
jake_swivel wrote:
It's not the same situation as the Westbrook trade, though. It seemed like it was a 3 team race as far as I could tell with Houston and Miami being the leaders and Detroit as a longshot. Houston is obviously not an option and with Griffin at Detroit, they'd seem to not be an option either.

Like ThunderBolt said, maybe Minny is an option?

Don't think Minny is willing to take that risk. They know the West is so stacked right now and CP3 won't change that much for them.

Well, it depends. They have Wiggins to trade so...

Minny’s GM just came from Houston. Wonder if that helps or hurst that situation...

I think CP3 still has some left in the tank. People state oh he only played 50 games last year. That’s exactly where you want him. It will keep him fresher for the playoffs.

Being fresh for the playoffs doesn't help much if you don't get there because he missed 25 games.

thekaoswithin · Post #3600 » by **thekaoswithin** » Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:15 am

Kizz Fastfists wrote:Presti should just hang on to the top 5 PG until a team decides they want to win or OKC will make one last playoff run. Think about how funny it would be if OKC makes the playoffs with CP3 and Houston misses them with Russ.

Yes, CP3 was still top 5 last year despite his shooting drop off. Houston is going to be terrible next year. http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/position/1 You will find CP3 at #4.

At some point I'm going to get tired of this incredibly stupid narrative you're preaching and write an essay about why you're wrong.

Fortunately for me today is not that day.