Thunder Offseason Thread

[Atomic Punk]

And before anyone points it out, I know, I know, that damn contract. But still...

[RunOKC]

If we send out more than 1 pick without getting young talent back Presti has made a mistake

We owe CP3 nothing. I'd rather keep him and bench him than trade 3 picks away

[oreojenkins]

Maybe I'm wrong, but a CP3, Gallo, PPatt for Wiggins, Teague, Dieng feels like the floor to me. If we have to make a worse deal than that, I'd be surprised.

[jake_swivel]

OKC only gave up a protected first (which they will now likely get back) and got a serviceable player in return for Melo. CP has more left in the tank than Melo did, he still has some value despite his warts.

They had the option of stretching Melo. Can’t stretch $120 million. Or even $80. If Miami has the thunder over a barrel and demands 3 firsts, I think you have to roll with Paul (ugh). I do think Miami wants him. I don’t think they think 3 firsts is “fair value”, but I don’t think Presti thought he was getting fair value from the clippers either. When you can back someone against a wall, you do it.

Call the heat’s bluff. They are set up to be mediocre. Beal is a pipe dream. Someone else can beat whatever they have to offer and they don’t have assets to get anyone else. Hopefully Paul can be healthy and a decent human for a month or two. I think he still has something in the tank.

[jake_swivel]

Maybe I'm wrong, but a CP3, Gallo, PPatt for Wiggins, Teague, Dieng feels like the floor to me. If we have to make a worse deal than that, I'd be surprised.

I love that deal in comparison to even 2 firsts to Miami. It actually makes sense for both teams if Miami really is trying to fleece Presti. Gives minny a chance at the playoffs which they need if they’re going to resign KAT. Good idea.

[Atomic Punk]

OKC only gave up a protected first (which they will now likely get back) and got a serviceable player in return for Melo. CP has more left in the tank than Melo did, he still has some value despite his warts.

They had the option of stretching Melo. Can’t stretch $120 million. Or even $80. If Miami has the thunder over a barrel and demands 3 firsts, I think you have to roll with Paul (ugh). I do think Miami wants him. I don’t think they think 3 firsts is “fair value”, but I don’t think Presti thought he was getting fair value from the clippers either. When you can back someone against a wall, you do it.

Call the heat’s bluff. They are set up to be mediocre. Beal is a pipe dream. Someone else can beat whatever they have to offer and they don’t have assets to get anyone else. Hopefully Paul can be healthy and a decent human for a month or two. I think he still has something in the tank.

True, you can’t stretch 120 but as you said, and I agree, CP has something left. Melo didn’t and Miami needs to do something else this summer. If OKC can’t get something reasonable done with the Heat, move on.

OKC is not operating from a position of weakness here. Last week they had two big salary players coming off surgery who no longer wanted to be in OKC. Now they have 8 FRP’s and one overpaid player on the downward side of his career who doesn’t want to be in OKC. Miami is capped, has some decent but not great young players and a 30 year old Jimmy Butler who couldn’t get a more talented Philly team over the hump last year. Who is more desperate to make a deal here? OKC is playing the long game, Miami’s future is now.

[Atomic Punk]

Maybe I'm wrong, but a CP3, Gallo, PPatt for Wiggins, Teague, Dieng feels like the floor to me. If we have to make a worse deal than that, I'd be surprised.

I love that deal in comparison to even 2 firsts to Miami. It actually makes sense for both teams if Miami really is trying to fleece Presti. Gives minny a chance at the playoffs which they need if they’re going to resign KAT. Good idea.

I don’t like Wiggins but I like this idea better than giving up 2 or 3 firsts to Miami.

[spearsy23]

Going into the season with Patterson as the starting power forward may ultimately make it easier to get out of the tax. At the very least it's not going to hurt his value.

[Atomic Punk]

Going into the season with Patterson as the starting power forward may ultimately make it easier to get out of the tax. At the very least it's not going to hurt his value.

If he is still with the team Gallo will start at the 4 until he is dealt at the deadline.

[jake_swivel]

OKC only gave up a protected first (which they will now likely get back) and got a serviceable player in return for Melo. CP has more left in the tank than Melo did, he still has some value despite his warts.

They had the option of stretching Melo. Can’t stretch $120 million. Or even $80. If Miami has the thunder over a barrel and demands 3 firsts, I think you have to roll with Paul (ugh). I do think Miami wants him. I don’t think they think 3 firsts is “fair value”, but I don’t think Presti thought he was getting fair value from the clippers either. When you can back someone against a wall, you do it.

Call the heat’s bluff. They are set up to be mediocre. Beal is a pipe dream. Someone else can beat whatever they have to offer and they don’t have assets to get anyone else. Hopefully Paul can be healthy and a decent human for a month or two. I think he still has something in the tank.

True, you can’t stretch 120 but as you said, and I agree, CP has something left. Melo didn’t and Miami needs to do something else this summer. If OKC can’t get something reasonable done with the Heat, move on.

OKC is not operating from a position of weakness here. Last week they had two big salary players coming off surgery who no longer wanted to be in OKC. Now they have 8 FRP’s and one overpaid player on the downward side of his career who doesn’t want to be in OKC. Miami is capped, has some decent but not great young players and a 30 year old Jimmy Butler who couldn’t get a more talented Philly team over the hump last year. Who is more desperate to make a deal here? OKC is playing the long game, Miami’s future is now.

I agree with all that. Hopefully management backs Presti if it comes to that. It really could end up a disaster if Paul has to play, though. Attitude, injuries, decline. Any could lead to Paul becoming an albatross. Feels like a risk you have to take, though.

[spearsy23]

Going into the season with Patterson as the starting power forward may ultimately make it easier to get out of the tax. At the very least it's not going to hurt his value.

If he is still with the team Gallo will start at the 4 until he is dealt at the deadline.

Assuming no roster changes, we don't have a small forward. Start Gallo at the 3 and Pat at the 4.

[spearsy23]

They had the option of stretching Melo. Can’t stretch $120 million. Or even $80. If Miami has the thunder over a barrel and demands 3 firsts, I think you have to roll with Paul (ugh). I do think Miami wants him. I don’t think they think 3 firsts is “fair value”, but I don’t think Presti thought he was getting fair value from the clippers either. When you can back someone against a wall, you do it.

Call the heat’s bluff. They are set up to be mediocre. Beal is a pipe dream. Someone else can beat whatever they have to offer and they don’t have assets to get anyone else. Hopefully Paul can be healthy and a decent human for a month or two. I think he still has something in the tank.

True, you can’t stretch 120 but as you said, and I agree, CP has something left. Melo didn’t and Miami needs to do something else this summer. If OKC can’t get something reasonable done with the Heat, move on.

OKC is not operating from a position of weakness here. Last week they had two big salary players coming off surgery who no longer wanted to be in OKC. Now they have 8 FRP’s and one overpaid player on the downward side of his career who doesn’t want to be in OKC. Miami is capped, has some decent but not great young players and a 30 year old Jimmy Butler who couldn’t get a more talented Philly team over the hump last year. Who is more desperate to make a deal here? OKC is playing the long game, Miami’s future is now.

I agree with all that. Hopefully management backs Presti if it comes to that. It really could end up a disaster if Paul has to play, though. Attitude, injuries, decline. Any could lead to Paul becoming an albatross. Feels like a risk you have to take, though.

If teams are asking 3 frp to take you on you're already an albatross.

[Atomic Punk]

Going into the season with Patterson as the starting power forward may ultimately make it easier to get out of the tax. At the very least it's not going to hurt his value.

If he is still with the team Gallo will start at the 4 until he is dealt at the deadline.

Assuming no roster changes, we don't have a small forward. Start Gallo at the 3 and Pat at the 4.

What do you want to bet Bazley starts at the 3?

[jake_swivel]

True, you can’t stretch 120 but as you said, and I agree, CP has something left. Melo didn’t and Miami needs to do something else this summer. If OKC can’t get something reasonable done with the Heat, move on.

OKC is not operating from a position of weakness here. Last week they had two big salary players coming off surgery who no longer wanted to be in OKC. Now they have 8 FRP’s and one overpaid player on the downward side of his career who doesn’t want to be in OKC. Miami is capped, has some decent but not great young players and a 30 year old Jimmy Butler who couldn’t get a more talented Philly team over the hump last year. Who is more desperate to make a deal here? OKC is playing the long game, Miami’s future is now.

I agree with all that. Hopefully management backs Presti if it comes to that. It really could end up a disaster if Paul has to play, though. Attitude, injuries, decline. Any could lead to Paul becoming an albatross. Feels like a risk you have to take, though.

If teams are asking 3 frp to take you on you're already an albatross.

Yeah, but it also seems like a situational albatross. Put on a good showing and have the right teams struggle at the right time and you can probably get it done for something like the dragic, Johnson, waiters deal that’s been mentioned.

[jake_swivel]

If he is still with the team Gallo will start at the 4 until he is dealt at the deadline.

Assuming no roster changes, we don't have a small forward. Start Gallo at the 3 and Pat at the 4.

What do you want to bet Bazley starts at the 3?

If Paul doesn’t get dealt, I bet they’d go Paul, Shai, ferg, Gallo, and Adams.

[Atomic Punk]

Assuming no roster changes, we don't have a small forward. Start Gallo at the 3 and Pat at the 4.

What do you want to bet Bazley starts at the 3?

If Paul doesn’t get dealt, I bet they’d go Paul, Shai, ferg, Gallo, and Adams.

Maybe, but it is in this teams best interest to both stink and try and develop the young players. It is also in their best interest to showcase Gallo and CP if he is still there without risking injury and without getting in the way of player development or winning too many games. So yeah, l could see them rolling that lineup out. But I would rather see them start Ferg at the 2 and bring SGA off the bench in that scenario.

[mr570]

I like this:

Paul/Shai (Shai gets more than bench minutes with Paul potentially trying to audition for another team at the deadline while staying healthy)
Ferg/Roberson
Diallo/Bazley
Gallo/Burton
Adams/Noel

[jake_swivel]

I like this:

Paul/Shai (Shai gets more than bench minutes with Paul potentially trying to audition for another team at the deadline while staying healthy)
Ferg/Roberson
Diallo/Bazley
Gallo/Burton
Adams/Noel

That works, but Shai would likely back up both the 1 and 2 in my opinion. I don’t think you can expect anything out of Roberson. Like, ever. Obviously could be wrong, but I haven’t heard any evidence he’ll be an nba level player again.

[spearsy23]

Start Shai no matter what.

[jake_swivel]

Start Shai no matter what.

So DON’T put him on the harden plan?