2018 Offseason Thread

[spearsy23]

This is the 4th pic I'm getting in a "Knrstz" image search:

Krnstz has 30 minutes to explain or i will consider this his response.

In my defense, that’s not my good side.

Disagree.

[Pillendreher]

Any chance we could get into the Butler conversation without offering Adams? Probably not.

[ThunderBolt]

Any chance we could get into the Butler conversation without offering Adams? Probably not.

The would probably be interested in George.

[Pillendreher]

Any chance we could get into the Butler conversation without offering Adams? Probably not.

The would probably be interested in George.

You're turning into slick_watts.

[ThunderBolt]

Any chance we could get into the Butler conversation without offering Adams? Probably not.

The would probably be interested in George.

You're turning into slick_watts.

If we aren’t trading Adams, what else could we offer? We are out of picks and Ferguson hasn’t shown enough to be the main trade piece. If they liked Diallo that much they could have taken him themselves. If they like schroder, what do they do with Teague? Pre-Injury robes would have been a great fit but why would Minnesota risk that?

[Pillendreher]

The would probably be interested in George.

You're turning into slick_watts.

If we aren’t trading Adams, what else could we offer? We are out of picks and Ferguson hasn’t shown enough to be the main trade piece. If they liked Diallo that much they could have taken him themselves. If they like schroder, what do they do with Teague? Pre-Injury robes would have been a great fit but why would Minnesota risk that?

Based on some of those trades that Zach Lowe and Matt Moore proposed, you could probably offer Grant+Roberson+Ferguson+x, but we can't trade Grant (yet) and I somewhat doubt Butler's return is going to be that low.

[ThunderBolt]

You're turning into slick_watts.

If we aren’t trading Adams, what else could we offer? We are out of picks and Ferguson hasn’t shown enough to be the main trade piece. If they liked Diallo that much they could have taken him themselves. If they like schroder, what do they do with Teague? Pre-Injury robes would have been a great fit but why would Minnesota risk that?

Based on some of those trades that Zach Lowe and Matt Moore proposed, you could probably offer Grant+Roberson+Ferguson+x, but we can't trade Grant (yet) and I somewhat doubt Butler's return is going to be that low.

One problem thati see is that Ferguson doesn’t have the same value as a first round pick right now. He still has value but he showed very little his rookie year. As soon as those guys are drafted their value starts to drop unless they show something. If Ferguson has a couple of really good games or start the year, his value will skyrocket quickly.

[spearsy23]

One problem thati see is that Ferguson doesn’t have the same value as a first round pick right now. He still has value but he showed very little his rookie year. As soon as those guys are drafted their value starts to drop unless they show something.

I think this is technically true, but not as concrete as commonly accepted. I don't think a guy like Ferg really loses value in a year, and teams who were high on him coming in are still going to view him the same. In fact, I'd bet him getting significant minutes on a good team helped his stick in several places. the problem is that right now we're dealing in unknowns and any pick could be a lotto ticket. If the warriors were offering their first I don't think many teams take it over ferguson.

[thekaoswithin]

If we're serious about winning, Adams + Ferg for Butler has to be offered. Adams is great but Butler could be the piece that puts us over the edge.

[spearsy23]

Russ/Jimmy/PG is probably a whole lesser than the sum of the parts thing. I think that's what is so frustrating about Golden State, not only do they have this incredible collection of talent, but that fit together perfectly. A defense of Russ/Butler/robes/George/Noel would be insanity though.

[RalphSampsonJr]

Sam isnt gonna give up Adams for a rental in Jimmy.
Wolves arent going to trade Jimmy for Adams when their main guy is the same position.
I dont think Jimmy would get you there anyway.

[Pillendreher]

Sam isnt gonna give up Adams for a rental in Jimmy.

The idea of course is that he'd stay as well.

[RalphSampsonJr]

Sam isnt gonna give up Adams for a rental in Jimmy.

The idea of course is that he'd stay as well.

Yea but theres still the hurdle of the wolves wanting to take on Adams. which they wouldnt. not when 20 other teams could give them picks and guards.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Yea but theres still the hurdle of the wolves wanting to take on Adams. which they wouldnt. not when 20 other teams could give them picks and guards.

They don't want picks. They also want to attach Dieng's salary to Butler. Adams, Roberson, Ferguson for Butler and Dieng makes a lot of sense for both teams. KAT is a 40% volume 3pt shooter!!! Adams gives them hard nosed interior defense and KAT gives them great offense at PF. You can even include Patterson and Taj if Minny wants more stretching ability.

The problem I see with the above is that ownership is handling the trade and not Thibs. So I think ownership will try to find some sort of splash, although I don't think there is any to be had. I don't know what ends up being traded for Butler, but I think Adams, Roberson and Ferguson for Butler and Dieng will end up being a competitive offer and given how Thibs coaches would actually make Minny very interesting. Thibs would have a great defense and better offensive players than he had in Chicago.

[RalphSampsonJr]

Yea but theres still the hurdle of the wolves wanting to take on Adams. which they wouldnt. not when 20 other teams could give them picks and guards.

They don't want picks. They also want to attach Dieng's salary to Butler. Adams, Roberson, Ferguson for Butler and Dieng makes a lot of sense for both teams. KAT is a 40% volume 3pt shooter!!! Adams gives them hard nosed interior defense and KAT gives them great offense at PF. You can even include Patterson and Taj if Minny wants more stretching ability.

The problem I see with the above is that ownership is handling the trade and not Thibs. So I think ownership will try to find some sort of splash, although I don't think there is any to be had. I don't know what ends up being traded for Butler, but I think Adams, Roberson and Ferguson for Butler and Dieng will end up being a competitive offer and given how Thibs coaches would actually make Minny very interesting. Thibs would have a great defense and better offensive players than he had in Chicago.

So a team with no shooting wants more non shooters? and the main guy you just signed a 190 mil extension will now get forced to play another position? they will have Wiggins Adams and Towns making how much?! Wolves are a terrible franchise but i dont think they are that silly

[wco81]

Sounds like the Wolves owner was unwilling to pay KAT AND Butler, so Butler wants out, to a team who will max him out.

[bondom34]

Not sure I see that. Butler just wanted out.

[wco81]

But there’s a narrative that he has written off Wiggins and KAT, didn’t think he could win with them.

Yet he’s willing to go to 3 non playoffs teams, which all happen to have cap space?

If being a rental for a playoffs team which doesn’t plan to sign him long term is something he would consider ...

But obviously the Wolves will try to get the best return.

[bondom34]

Those teams can sign another player to become good.

[Pillendreher]

I don't think they're getting complete crap, but given his contract, his lockerroom problems and the fact that they apparently want to get him to another team within the next coupe of hours, I don't see them getting anything better than a player of Adams' quality and something in addition to that. It's most likely not going to be Adams, but it wouldn't surprise me if all they got was a mediocre starter and a little extra. When you're this dysfunctional (who on earth is leaking all of that to Woj?!), you're not going to get the best deal out there.