2018 Offseason Thread

[RalphSampsonJr]

I don't think they're getting complete crap, but given his contract, his lockerroom problems and the fact that they apparently want to get him to another team within the next coupe of hours, I don't see them getting anything better than a player of Adams' quality and something in addition to that. It's most likely not going to be Adams, but it wouldn't surprise me if all they got was a mediocre starter and a little extra. When you're this dysfunctional (who on earth is leaking all of that to Woj?!), you're not going to get the best deal out there.

Beverly and Bradley for Jimmy?

[Pillendreher]

I don't think they're getting complete crap, but given his contract, his lockerroom problems and the fact that they apparently want to get him to another team within the next coupe of hours, I don't see them getting anything better than a player of Adams' quality and something in addition to that. It's most likely not going to be Adams, but it wouldn't surprise me if all they got was a mediocre starter and a little extra. When you're this dysfunctional (who on earth is leaking all of that to Woj?!), you're not going to get the best deal out there.

Beverly and Bradley for Jimmy?

I fear something along those lines might be a realistic return. I highly doubt anybody is offering any sort of "real talent", especially after his recent lockerroom troubles and the fact that multiple teams are trying to aquire multiple multiple stars through capspace next season. If I'm Denver for example, I'm keeping Murray or Harris who will be under contract for several years instead of trading one of them and then facing the possibility of Butler walking out on them because team xy convinced star a to sign with them and Butler wants to come along.

Personally, I think there are 3 possible scenarios:

1) One of those teams that are projected to have capspace for two max players is trying to trade their mediocre value so they can have him and go after two other stars.

2) One of those teams on the outside looking in is trying to make a splash. Think Washington, Portland, Detroit, Denver, Miami, etc.

3) One of the top teams is confident he will stay in addition to the core already in place.

I don't think the Timberwolves are going to like whatever teams in scenario 1 offer. The Clippers could offer a couple of solid starters, but save for Beverley, you're going to have to pay them in the upcoming summer while they could also just walk right out the door to another team. Other than that...those teams will not even entertain taking on Teague, Dieng or Gibson because it impairs their ability to go after stars next summer.

Scenario two might be interesting. Is Portland desperate enough to try to do McCollum for Butler? What about Porter or Oubre for Butler? I don't see anything Denver is going to offer: They won't put their young players on the table, which doesn't leave anything of valu unless they want to get out of the Millsap contract. Contrary to Denver, Miami could offer up starters with long term contracts, but if I'm Minnesota, do I want those contracts? We were talking about taking one or two of those players for Melo mind you, not for a Top 15 player. I don't know what Detroit is going to offer.

That leaves the 3rd scenario. Philly and Houston were mentioned in the Woj article. One has to think that both Presti and Ainge at least called; if they're really interested is up in the air, I guess. Depending on what these teams would be willing to offer, I could see this as the best kind of deal. If I'm Minny, I'd rather take on Eric Gordon than Tobias Harris and having the privilege to overpay him next summer.

[ThunderBolt]

I don’t see anyway we get butler. I would be disappointed if we found out that the front office didn’t even make an attempt.

[RalphSampsonJr]

I don't think they're getting complete crap, but given his contract, his lockerroom problems and the fact that they apparently want to get him to another team within the next coupe of hours, I don't see them getting anything better than a player of Adams' quality and something in addition to that. It's most likely not going to be Adams, but it wouldn't surprise me if all they got was a mediocre starter and a little extra. When you're this dysfunctional (who on earth is leaking all of that to Woj?!), you're not going to get the best deal out there.

Beverly and Bradley for Jimmy?

I fear something along those lines might be a realistic return. I highly doubt anybody is offering any sort of "real talent", especially after his recent lockerroom troubles and the fact that multiple teams are trying to aquire multiple multiple stars through capspace next season. If I'm Denver for example, I'm keeping Murray or Harris who will be under contract for several years instead of trading one of them and then facing the possibility of Butler walking out on them because team xy convinced star a to sign with them and Butler wants to come along.

Personally, I think there are 3 possible scenarios:

1) One of those teams that are projected to have capspace for two max players is trying to trade their mediocre value so they can have him and go after two other stars.

2) One of those teams on the outside looking in is trying to make a splash. Think Washington, Portland, Detroit, Denver, Miami, etc.

3) One of the top teams is confident he will stay in addition to the core already in place.

I don't think the Timberwolves are going to like whatever teams in scenario 1 offer. The Clippers could offer a couple of solid starters, but save for Beverley, you're going to have to pay them in the upcoming summer while they could also just walk right out the door to another team. Other than that...those teams will not even entertain taking on Teague, Dieng or Gibson because it impairs their ability to go after stars next summer.

Scenario two might be interesting. Is Portland desperate enough to try to do McCollum for Butler? What about Porter or Oubre for Butler? I don't see anything Denver is going to offer: They won't put their young players on the table, which doesn't leave anything of valu unless they want to get out of the Millsap contract. Contrary to Denver, Miami could offer up starters with long term contracts, but if I'm Minnesota, do I want those contracts? We were talking about taking one or two of those players for Melo mind you, not for a Top 15 player. I don't know what Detroit is going to offer.

That leaves the 3rd scenario. Philly and Houston were mentioned in the Woj article. One has to think that both Presti and Ainge at least called; if they're really interested is up in the air, I guess. Depending on what these teams would be willing to offer, I could see this as the best kind of deal. If I'm Minny, I'd rather take on Eric Gordon than Tobias Harris and having the privilege to overpay him next summer.

Yea i did think the Wiz might see it as an ideal time to try get rid of Porter. Them and Portland seem to be the most talented dissapointments of the NBA (excluding OKC last year). Both teams have alot of pressure to perform.
Wiz may be keen enough now Lebrons out the East. A Wall Beal Butler trio is a solid backcourt/wing rotation.
Personally id trade Wall for Butler straight up if the wolves are silly enough

[wco81]

Wolves owner probably isn't interested in taking on a big salary like Wall's unless it propels the Wolves to one of the top teams in the West.

[alessandrux]

Because Joakim Noah is nearing a buyout.
What do you think about him being our Adams replacement if we could pull-off an Adams for Butler trade?

[Pillendreher]

Read on Twitter

They're offering a Honda, but we got the BMW right here.

[ThunderBolt]

Read on Twitter

They're offering a Honda, but we got the BMW right here.

I don’t think our bmw is for sale

[RalphSampsonJr]

Because Joakim Noah is nearing a buyout.
What do you think about him being our Adams replacement if we could pull-off an Adams for Butler trade?

You wanna take on Noah if Adams is gone?! You might as well just keep Grant playing the back up 5

[ThunderBolt]

If he goes to the heat I would be much more excited about trying to be a third team for J Rich. Bye ferg.

[Pillendreher]

If he goes to the heat I would be much more excited about trying to be a third team for J Rich. Bye ferg.

What on earth can they even offer? Winslow is closer to bust than to up and coming player at this point and I don't think Adebayo is even on the table. So that leaves their billion overpaid role players. Which is what we were discussing for Left In The Tank Melo, not Jimmy freaking Butler.

[slick_watts]

If he goes to the heat I would be much more excited about trying to be a third team for J Rich. Bye ferg.

What on earth can they even offer? Winslow is closer to bust than to up and coming player at this point and I don't think Adebayo is even on the table. So that leaves their billion overpaid role players. Which is what we were discussing for Left In The Tank Melo, not Jimmy freaking Butler.

obviously miami wasn't offering anything like that for melo or he would have been traded there. all of miami's billion overpaid role players are better than dennis schroeder.

[Pillendreher]

If he goes to the heat I would be much more excited about trying to be a third team for J Rich. Bye ferg.

What on earth can they even offer? Winslow is closer to bust than to up and coming player at this point and I don't think Adebayo is even on the table. So that leaves their billion overpaid role players. Which is what we were discussing for Left In The Tank Melo, not Jimmy freaking Butler.

obviously miami wasn't offering anything like that for melo or he would have been traded there. all of miami's billion overpaid role players are better than dennis schroeder.

Find a new fetish. This "Everything sucks as soon as the Thunder touch it" act of yours is boring me.

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[bondom34]

Richardson.

[slick_watts]

Richardson.

seems like that would be mutually beneficial as a baseline for a deal. miami wanted to get out of long term salary to pursue someone like butler in the first place. richardson isn't in their long term plans, especially if they can sell jimmy on staying there.

i dunno that miami would take dieng as a part of that though, unless they got an extension done with butler as part of the trade.

[bondom34]

Richardson.

seems like that would be mutually beneficial as a baseline for a deal. miami wanted to get out of long term salary to pursue someone like butler in the first place. richardson isn't in their long term plans, especially if they can sell jimmy on staying there.

i dunno that miami would take dieng as a part of that though, unless they got an extension done with butler as part of the trade.

Don't think they could as they're over the cap. I'd guess J Rich and maybe a swap of Whiteside for Dieng? Or at least taking Dieng for some shorter term money, though Thibs and Dion would be a fun duo.

[slick_watts]

What on earth can they even offer? Winslow is closer to bust than to up and coming player at this point and I don't think Adebayo is even on the table. So that leaves their billion overpaid role players. Which is what we were discussing for Left In The Tank Melo, not Jimmy freaking Butler.

obviously miami wasn't offering anything like that for melo or he would have been traded there. all of miami's billion overpaid role players are better than dennis schroeder.

Find a new fetish. This "Everything sucks as soon as the Thunder touch it" act of yours is boring me.

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i just don't change my opinions just because it makes me feel better. you don't remember your reaction to the schroder trade? i do.



it's ok to be honest. would you prefer schroder or richardson? schroder or james johnson? schroder or olynyk? schroder or tyler johnson? i'd prefer any of them over schroder on their contracts. the only guy on the heat i wouldn't want is waiters.

[Pillendreher]

obviously miami wasn't offering anything like that for melo or he would have been traded there. all of miami's billion overpaid role players are better than dennis schroeder.

Find a new fetish. This "Everything sucks as soon as the Thunder touch it" act of yours is boring me.

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i just don't change my opinions just because it makes me feel better. you don't remember your reaction to the schroder trade? i do.

Nothing has changed in that regard. He has quite the attitude and has not behaved like the average starting Pg that he is. We'll have to see if the infamous "Thunder culture" changes that.

it's ok to be honest. would you prefer schroder or richardson? schroder or james johnson? schroder or olynyk? schroder or tyler johnson? i'd prefer any of them over schroder on their contracts. the only guy on the heat i wouldn't want is waiters.

I am honest. Yes, I'd want Richardson instead of Schröder because he fills a hole this team has had for years. No I wouldn't want James Johnson because we'd have to trust the role player whisperer Donovan to keep him from reverting to his former self. I'd take Schröder over Olynik simply because we don't need more bigmen. Schröder or Tyler Johnson is a wash for me, but given that there will never be a "system" under Donovan, we need somebody who can get to the rim on its own and create for others, so I'd say Schröder over Johnson.

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[slick_watts]

I am honest. Yes, I'd want Richardson instead of Schröder because he fills a hole this team has had for years. No I wouldn't want James Johnson because we'd have to trust the role player whisperer Donovan to keep him from reverting to his former self. I'd take Schröder over Olynik simply because we don't need more bigmen. Schröder or Tyler Johnson is a wash for me, but given that there will never be a "system" under Donovan, we need somebody who can get to the rim on its own and create for others, so I'd say Schröder over Johnson.

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so you prefer richardson, you don't want either johnson not because they're worse than schroder but because you don't trust donovan to use them correctly. and you don't want olynyk because we don't need more big men.

it sounds to me like you believe all these players are better than schroeder. like i do. so what was your problem with my original statement?

[bondom34]

The roster is full correct?

Edit: I meant the RS roster, not the 20 man. Like they couldn't add a min guy w/o a cut, by my count they can't.