OKC Thunder Trades and Transaction Thread

[oreojenkins]

I’m not interested in trading shai. We have every reason to believe he wants to be here right now and I don’t understand wanting to trade him away. Barnes is nice but he’s a significantly worse fit with Giddey. Also, Toronto should not trade Barnes to accommodate OG. If push comes to shove, moving OG is the right move.

It wouldn't be done to accommodate OG, just he's no longer unhappy if it happens. I do think both starting 5s make more sense after a swap like this. The idea would be Toronto upgrades it's roster now with hometown players who they can plug in for many years to come.

Barnes is a bad fit with Giddey? In the aggregate, the shooting would likely improve as you're trading out SGA/Dort/whoever for Barnes/Trent/maybe Mann or #12. Barnes also fits with the general philosophy of ball movement and positional flexibility.

This is a trade I would make if I were a heartless Daryl Morey/Danny Ainge type who didnt care about preserving culture/reputation amongst players. Realistically OKC can't be this cut throat in the longview. If I were just looking at this on paper I'd say yes for sure. I think Scottie is a future multi-time all star and with that many added years of team control it seems like a no brainer from that perspective. Again, in the real world, I would not do this as it sends the wrong message to everyone in that locker room and Shai has been nothing but good for OKC since he got here.

Only thing I'd say to this as I generally agree with what you said is you'd obviously get the players' thoughts on a potential move before doing anything. So them being receptive is assumed. Who knows, maybe the Canadian boys would be happy to play for a Toronto team ready to compete now. Everyone thought PG13 was happy here until we found out he asked for a trade. If they want to stay, they stay for sure.

But like I said, I'm not actively looking to trade Shai, getting someone like Barnes who is that good (and we think Presti likes) on a rookie deal would be a unique circumstance. Could probably add one more high lottery pick next season.

[BlazersBroncos]

You only trade SGA for Barnes if SGA request a trade behind doors, which I really dont think he does - especially with a special talent like Chet on the way.

[Dadouv47]

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[Dadouv47]

Need some infos about the protection and which 2nds we are sending before having a real opinion about this.

Welcome JaMychal Green to the NBA rehab program (if u ever play for us)

[thedoppelganger]

going from either 30 or 34 to one of the playoff teams in the 20s like Denver, MIlwaukee, Brooklyn.

I like this idea a lot and they need to consolidate a couple of those picks don't they?

It makes sense given the already shrinking roster spots and minutes will be tough to come by for the non-lotto picks outside of playing with the Blue. 3 draftees seems like a reasonable number as of now.

Could even take back a JaMychal Green type salary from Denver or Milwaukee.

Well it wasn’t trading up in this years draft, but got the player/team combo right.

What’s the rule on including Green in other trades now? He could be traded by himself immediately, but can’t be aggregated with other salary for a while?

[kingcong95]

I believe there is no aggregation restriction period for a player who was acquired with cap space, as is the case here.

[ThunderBolt]

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Potentially interesting depending on the protections.

[jake_swivel]

I predict lottery protection. Taking $8 million in salary doesn’t make sense if you are only getting top 20 protection. Denver just has to gamble they’ll still be good.

[Mr Thunder Nick]

That will limit our chance to trade up pick nb 12

[Dadouv47]

That will limit our chance to trade up pick nb 12

don't think so. #30 has not much value to teams like Portland or NOLA at 7/8.

[Balkman32]

Presti knows the value this is why he made the deal now.

The traded a 2nd in ‘23 and a 2nd in ‘24. Based on the protection on the ‘27 pick these can be least valuable or most valuable.

The Nuggets have 2 firsts below already going out the door. I would think that if the pick falls in the protected range in ‘27 it would then be unprotected in ‘28, because the Thunder ain’t gonna trade a first and 2 seconds for a second 6 years later and $8m in salary.

2023 first round draft pick to Oklahoma City
Denver's 1st round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-14 in 2023, 1-14 in 2024 and 1-14 in 2025; if Denver has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Oklahoma City by 2025, then Denver will instead convey its 2025 2nd round pick and 2026 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Denver-Milwaukee-New Orleans-Oklahoma City, 11/23/2020]

2025 first round draft pick to Orlando
At least two years after Denver conveys a 1st round pick to Oklahoma City, Denver's 1st round pick to Orlando protected for selections 1-5 in 2025, 1-5 in 2026 and 1-5 in 2027 (if Denver has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Orlando by 2027, then Denver's obligation to Orlando will be extinguished) [Denver-Orlando, 3/25/2021]

[Patches Perry]

I kind of like the idea of going after Ayton in a sign and trade, using #12 and maybe a future 1st round pick along with whatever contracts make the deal work. Ayton is 23yo like SGA and Dort. Giddey is 19 and Jabari/Chet are obviously teenagers also.

Dort
SGA
Giddey
Chet/Jabari
Ayton

This would be a fun and formidable lineup imo. Not sure if it's realistic under the cap as I'm just spitballing, but at some point Presti needs to leverage these future assets for win now prospects. Young stars like Ayton aren't available every summer.

[Balkman32]

Also note that Denver has these picks going out the door. So this ‘27 FRP pick might turn to unprotected in ‘28. Similar to the protections on the Heat pick going from lottery protected to unprotected the next year.

2027 second round draft pick to Cleveland
Denver's 2027 2nd round pick to Cleveland [Cleveland-Denver, 3/25/2021]

2028 second round draft pick to San Antonio
Denver's 2028 2nd round pick to San Antonio protected for selections 31-33 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Denver's obligation to San Antonio will be extinguished) [Boston-Denver-San Antonio, 1/19/2022]

[Balkman32]

I kind of like the idea of going after Ayton in a sign and trade, using #12 and maybe a future 1st round pick along with whatever contracts make the deal work. Ayton is 23yo like SGA and Dort. Giddey is 19 and Jabari/Chet are obviously teenagers also.

Dort
SGA
Giddey
Chet/Jabari
Ayton

This would be a fun and formidable lineup imo. Not sure if it's realistic under the cap as I'm just spitballing, but at some point Presti needs to leverage these future assets for win now prospects. Young stars like Ayton aren't available every summer.

I don’t see it. If CP3 was coming back in the deal sure.

But I think the Thunder develop and semi-tank one last year and get a good pick in the loaded ‘23 class. Then you can bank on your stacks of picks up help build your future while filling the gaps needed to win a chip. Just 82 more games.

[Patches Perry]

I kind of like the idea of going after Ayton in a sign and trade, using #12 and maybe a future 1st round pick along with whatever contracts make the deal work. Ayton is 23yo like SGA and Dort. Giddey is 19 and Jabari/Chet are obviously teenagers also.

Dort
SGA
Giddey
Chet/Jabari
Ayton

This would be a fun and formidable lineup imo. Not sure if it's realistic under the cap as I'm just spitballing, but at some point Presti needs to leverage these future assets for win now prospects. Young stars like Ayton aren't available every summer.

I don’t see it. If CP3 was coming back in the deal sure.

But I think the Thunder develop and semi-tank one last year and get a good pick in the loaded ‘23 class. Then you can bank on your stacks of picks up help build your future while filling the gaps needed to win a chip. Just 82 more games.

I agree if we're tanking another year then you probably just make your draft selections and call it an offseason, but I am worried that punting a 3rd straight year is going to cost us SGA. We can't keep wasting his prime development years in hopes of hitting a homerun in the draft.

[jake_swivel]

I would think that if the pick falls in the protected range in ‘27 it would then be unprotected in ‘28, because the Thunder ain’t gonna trade a first and 2 seconds for a second 6 years later and $8m in salary.

I think it’s highly unlikely this pick would ever be unprotected. With their second best player coming off a blown ACL and their 3rd best player with a bad back (both on huge contracts), there is a reasonable scenario where they have spent themselves into oblivion without a way to fix the problem. In that case, they could lose jokic, as well.

I bet the protection is lottery for 2-3 years and conveys as 2 second rounders after.

[Balkman32]

I would think that if the pick falls in the protected range in ‘27 it would then be unprotected in ‘28, because the Thunder ain’t gonna trade a first and 2 seconds for a second 6 years later and $8m in salary.

I think it’s highly unlikely this pick would ever be unprotected. With their second best player coming off a blown ACL and their 3rd best player with a bad back (both on huge contracts), there is a reasonable scenario where they have spent themselves into oblivion without a way to fix the problem. In that case, they could lose jokic, as well.

I bet the protection is lottery for 2-3 years and conveys as 2 second rounders after.

If the trade is done in this league year then the pick could only go out till ‘28. The Nuggets have already sent out their ‘27 and ‘28 2nd (protected 31-33) round picks. Even if the ‘28 was top 3 protected they could not guarantee we would get their 2nd. There is no way Presti traded a first, 2 seconds and took on $8m for nothing. I think it has to be unprotected in ‘28, unless they actually do the deal after the new league year.

[Balkman32]

I kind of like the idea of going after Ayton in a sign and trade, using #12 and maybe a future 1st round pick along with whatever contracts make the deal work. Ayton is 23yo like SGA and Dort. Giddey is 19 and Jabari/Chet are obviously teenagers also.

Dort
SGA
Giddey
Chet/Jabari
Ayton

This would be a fun and formidable lineup imo. Not sure if it's realistic under the cap as I'm just spitballing, but at some point Presti needs to leverage these future assets for win now prospects. Young stars like Ayton aren't available every summer.

I don’t see it. If CP3 was coming back in the deal sure.

But I think the Thunder develop and semi-tank one last year and get a good pick in the loaded ‘23 class. Then you can bank on your stacks of picks up help build your future while filling the gaps needed to win a chip. Just 82 more games.

I agree if we're tanking another year then you probably just make your draft selections and call it an offseason, but I am worried that punting a 3rd straight year is going to cost us SGA. We can't keep wasting his prime development years in hopes of hitting a homerun in the draft.

Guess how many years the Clipper have made the playoffs since the SGA trade. Thunder made it in Shai’s first year. I think he is good. He just got a 5 year max. Look at all the guys who go out in the first round, is that much better?

I think Shai will want to play a lot this year because when you talk about wanting to be your very best you want to put up 20,000 to 30,000 points in your career you have to play games.The Thunder can afford to be the 7th worst team this year and still have a dam good shot at the lottery.

[jake_swivel]

If the trade is done in this league year then the pick could only go out till ‘28. The Nuggets have already sent out their ‘27 and ‘28 2nd (protected 31-33) round picks. Even if the ‘28 was top 3 protected they could not guarantee we would get their 2nd. There is no way Presti traded a first, 2 seconds and took on $8m for nothing. I think it has to be unprotected in ‘28, unless they actually do the deal after the new league year.

We’ll see. Denver would have to be dumbasses of the highest order to open up the possibility of giving away a high draft pick to get out of an $8 million contract and get the 30th pick. I don’t see it.

[Balkman32]

If the trade is done in this league year then the pick could only go out till ‘28. The Nuggets have already sent out their ‘27 and ‘28 2nd (protected 31-33) round picks. Even if the ‘28 was top 3 protected they could not guarantee we would get their 2nd. There is no way Presti traded a first, 2 seconds and took on $8m for nothing. I think it has to be unprotected in ‘28, unless they actually do the deal after the new league year.

We’ll see. Denver would have to be dumbasses of the highest order to open up the possibility of giving away a high draft pick to get out of an $8 million contract and get the 30th pick. I don’t see it.

They got the 30th pick in this years draft. He will make $2.1 million this year, they created a $8.4 million dollar trade exception and they could have acquired OKC’s best 2nd rounders in ‘23 (which will be in the top 40) & ‘24. OKC also took on that $8.4 million which I believe saved Denver $20 million.

Yes I know some of those things are free to OKC but other teams don’t want ‘27 FRP’s that probably don’t convey until ‘28. This gives Denver 3 draft picks and a trade exception for a pick that GM probably won’t be selecting anyway. Maybe they push this deal to after the league year…