11/29 - POSTGAME | Oklahoma City Thunder (108) - (121) Orlando Magic

[Joel Embust]

I honestly think Grant is a better fit in the starting lineup next to WB and PG than Melo.

[Pillendreher]

Good God we have lost 7 straight on the road. 20 games in and we've had 3 to 4 good wins so far.

[spearsy23]

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I wouldn’t be surprised if we traded Westbrook and he became a better player under another coach. I wouldn’t be surprised if we fired dononvan and we find out that he wasn’t as much to blame as we thought. This is a tough one for me. I hate our offense and I find Westbrook maddening to watch. Something has got to change.

No! **** that! He doesn't get to cop out by throwing his team under the bus! Get his trash ass back to college and hire somebody who's not in over his head. This is like the 10th time in just slightly over two years we've looked like a dead team. But sure, the players are not 'seeing his vision '. Take your trash vision back to College and leave us be.

What I would say about that is that those habits he's talking about have led to a finals appearance, 4 WCF, and 2 ECF. Those habits may explain why we can't be golden state, Cleveland, or even Houston, but using them as an explanation for a team that is 4 games under .500 with the softest of schedules is attempting to abdicate himself of responsibility. He wasn't complaining about those habits when they carried his dead weight, and he hasn't done anything to curb them over the last two years.

[spearsy23]

I agree with Westbrook, this is his fault. Yep, I'm ready to go there. Actually not entirely but I'm on board with assigning him the blame. Also Donovan, I think he's trying to save his skin at this point with these comments post game tonight. Letting it slip in a very un-Thunder way that the players aren't executing 'his vision' or whatever.

Tonight was certainly not Westbrook's fault. He's been acceptable over the last two weeks and we are still getting our ass beat. If Russ has to be Russ of last year to compete with Orlando then the problem is obviously deeper.

[ThunderBolt]

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I wouldn’t be surprised if we traded Westbrook and he became a better player under another coach. I wouldn’t be surprised if we fired dononvan and we find out that he wasn’t as much to blame as we thought. This is a tough one for me. I hate our offense and I find Westbrook maddening to watch. Something has got to change.

No! **** that! He doesn't get to cop out by throwing his team under the bus! Get his trash ass back to college and hire somebody who's not in over his head. This is like the 10th time in just slightly over two years we've looked like a dead team. But sure, the players are not 'seeing his vision '. Take your trash vision back to College and leave us be.

What I would say about that is that those habits he's talking about have led to a finals appearance, 4 WCF, and 2 ECF. Those habits may explain why we can't be golden state, Cleveland, or even Houston, but using them as an explanation for a team that is 4 games under .500 with the softest of schedules is attempting to abdicate himself of responsibility. He wasn't complaining about those habits when they carried his dead weight, and he hasn't done anything to curb them over the last two years.

Good point. Also I think we’ve all had our eyes opened to the fact that last years team didn’t have any help for Russ. Right now it feels like or we traded George for Oladipo by himself then we would be a better team. Then again, how would Dipo play being back here and George back in a system?

[spearsy23]

Ferguson is shooting 35/11/50 and Billy's solution is to make him the highest minutes bench player

[ThunderBolt]

https://www.welcometoloudcity.com/2017/11/29/16718624/thunder-vs-magic-final-score-okc-offers-no-answers-trounced-by-orlando-121-108

If you take OKC right now, and you hide all the names on the jerseys, what do you see? Because here is what I see - a bottom-5 lottery-bound team that looks like it is playing for a paycheck and little else. Their sense of purpose and commitment is spiraling to the point where they can barely outplay a lottery team even for a single quarter.

This is getting so bad that it could lead a man to stop drinking and go get serious about life.

This is so spot on.

[Pillendreher]

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This bum talking about developing habits when all he's done is to make it impossible to develop habits because he's playing 10.000 lineups a season and he does not care about having continuity. Get the **** outta here with this nonsense.

[Pillendreher]

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I wouldn’t be surprised if we traded Westbrook and he became a better player under another coach. I wouldn’t be surprised if we fired dononvan and we find out that he wasn’t as much to blame as we thought. This is a tough one for me. I hate our offense and I find Westbrook maddening to watch. Something has got to change.

No! **** that! He doesn't get to cop out by throwing his team under the bus! Get his trash ass back to college and hire somebody who's not in over his head. This is like the 10th time in just slightly over two years we've looked like a dead team. But sure, the players are not 'seeing his vision '. Take your trash vision back to College and leave us be.

What I would say about that is that those habits he's talking about have led to a finals appearance, 4 WCF, and 2 ECF. Those habits may explain why we can't be golden state, Cleveland, or even Houston, but using them as an explanation for a team that is 4 games under .500 with the softest of schedules is attempting to abdicate himself of responsibility. He wasn't complaining about those habits when they carried his dead weight, and he hasn't done anything to curb them over the last two years.

Exactly. Russ taking a nosedive as an offensive impact player and now suddenly he's forced to actually coach. He's getting exposed and tries to blame it on the player.

Edit: It's also just laughable to talk about habits when Presti has turned over the roster every damn offseason. Whose habits is he talking about? Russ, Robes and Adams are the only constants.

Edit2: So per Thunder Buddies he's complained about not having enough practices. So we just had a 3 day break and he had a whole offseason. With this schedule, there's most likely more time for practice and he's out there whining about practice.

[Pillendreher]

Ferguson is shooting 35/11/50 and Billy's solution is to make him the highest minutes bench player

He's looking for him to save us just like Payne did after Christmas 2015.

[sleestak33]

We are finding out now that this is just a completely flawed roster. You need several good, solid bigs to both play defense and provide scoring and right now when Adams is out of the game they're getting completely exposed because they have nobody that can guard big 4s and centers and also nobody whatsoever that provides a low post presence offensively. Getting rid of Kanter is turning out to be a huge mistake and he bailed them out of tons of games last year with his elite scoring and rebounding. The move to get Carmelo and get rid of Kanter and McDermott is turning out to be a huge mistake and its coming to fruition right before our eyes. You need 3-4 good bigs on a roster for scoring and rebounding and they basically have Adams and that's it...that's a huge problem. Roberson has been a complete disaster this year and they should have waived him and gotten some sort of serviceable 2 offensively and defensively that would at least force other teams to guard him. The advantage other teams are getting from using Roberson's defender to play free safety since he doesn't even need to be guarded is causing a multitude of issues with the starting 5 and is a big part of the reason for their 2nd half struggles this year. Patterson and Abrines have both been huge disappointments and it's almost unfathomable they were talking about starting Patterson. Imagine Patterson and Roberson in the starting lineup! LOL. They would have maybe 5 wins with those 2 starting. It's getting to the point that this team isn't even any fun to watch because you know what's going to happen every game.

[Old Man Game]

Wasn't even watching but just Ferg's numbers. WTH? How was that a good idea?

Donovan gonna Donovan.

[Old Man Game]

Not that 1 game +/- is meaningful but I find it funny that Andre was the only player that played that was in positive territory last night at +1. FERG was a -14.

[Old Man Game]

I agree with Westbrook, this is his fault. Yep, I'm ready to go there. Actually not entirely but I'm on board with assigning him the blame. Also Donovan, I think he's trying to save his skin at this point with these comments post game tonight. Letting it slip in a very un-Thunder way that the players aren't executing 'his vision' or whatever.

Tonight was certainly not Westbrook's fault. He's been acceptable over the last two weeks and we are still getting our ass beat. If Russ has to be Russ of last year to compete with Orlando then the problem is obviously deeper.

I think Russ is a big part of why we gave up 121 points to the Magic. Russ and Melo. Our defensive rotations suck.

Ferguson is shooting 35/11/50 and Billy's solution is to make him the highest minutes bench player

If we weren't in the middle of a losing streak. Like, if we were several games above .500 and we were giving him minutes just to develop him, I could almost see it. But to do it right now with this thing snowballing is insane.

[Pillendreher]

Ferguson is shooting 35/11/50 and Billy's solution is to make him the highest minutes bench player

If we weren't in the middle of a losing streak. Like, if we were several games above .500 and we were giving him minutes just to develop him, I could almost see it. But to do it right now with this thing snowballing is insane.

He's looking for a spark. I think it's that simple. We look like dead men walking and he's trying to get us going. It worked with Payne 2015, but it's not working now.

[Dadouv47]

At this point I won't be surprised if Billy tries Singler instead of Ferguson in the next game...

[ThunderBolt]

I think this team is giving up. Give it a couple more weeks and the players comments will start reflecting what we already know.

[ThunderBolt]

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This bum talking about developing habits when all he's done is to make it impossible to develop habits because he's playing 10.000 lineups a season and he does not care about having continuity. Get the **** outta here with this nonsense.

Not saying I’m a dononvan supporter but this is one of his few quotes that makes sense.

[Dadouv47]

I think this team is giving up. Give it a couple more weeks and the players comments will start reflecting what we already know.

I think the outcome of the game against the Wolves will have a big impact. We lost 2 closes games to them and we are on a losing streak. Winning or losing that game could really change a lot with all the negative stuff happening to our team right now.

[Andre Roberstan]

I think Russ is a big part of why we gave up 121 points to the Magic. Russ and Melo. Our defensive rotations suck.

Yup. Russ was beyond atrocious on defense last night. Payton was getting middle penetration at will, particularly off any sort of action that started at the slot.

Also did no one read the scouting report on Gordon actually being able to shoot now? We were ducking under and helping off him one pass away at times.