Why is Melo playing so poorly?

[spearsy23]

Melo IN, Russ OUT:

118 minutes, 110.7 ORtG, 100.0 DRtG

Melo needs to get some run with the bench. I know I wanted it to be George, but that clearly hasn't been working.

We went with Melo+bench for the first 10 games. 102.0 overall ORtG, 100.4 ORtG/90.0 DRtG with Russ on the bench.
Afterwards, we went with George+bench. 102.2 overall ORtG, 94.5 ORtG/108.5 DRtG with Russ on the bench.

Melo needs to shoot for him to be a positive on the floor. Let him cook opposing scrubs.

Also let him play the three.

[Pillendreher]

Melo IN, Russ OUT:

118 minutes, 110.7 ORtG, 100.0 DRtG

Melo needs to get some run with the bench. I know I wanted it to be George, but that clearly hasn't been working.

We went with Melo+bench for the first 10 games. 102.0 overall ORtG, 100.4 ORtG/90.0 DRtG with Russ on the bench.
Afterwards, we went with George+bench. 102.2 overall ORtG, 94.5 ORtG/108.5 DRtG with Russ on the bench.

Melo needs to shoot for him to be a positive on the floor. Let him cook opposing scrubs.

Also let him play the three.

Small sample size, but interesting nonetheless:

Melo SF: 10 % of his minutes, 110.2 ORtG | 111.3 DRtG
Melo PF: 90 % of his minutes, 106.4 ORtG | 101.3 DRtG

I don't understand why Donovan has NOT ONCE played Russ-George-Anthony-Patterson-Adams. It's unbelievable. He'll play any lineup, but not those that might actually work.

[taikibansei]

Now watch Carmelo Anthony drop 101 points vs the Knicks Sat Dec 16 2017 at the Garden, stay tuned for more future achievements in 2018!

Yeah, how'd that work out?

Just wanted to apologize to OKC fans for the recent board infestation of Melo fans with Knicks logos. I'll tell you, it was HELL dealing with them on the Knicks board over the last few years.... As you are seeing even in this thread, Melo is never bad--it's always the rest of the team and/or the coach and/or management (and/or the fans) that are letting Melo down.

And yes, this year's Melo looks a lot like last year's Melo to me.

Finally, I do wonder if it's not Melo's presence that is causing Westbrook and PG to suck this year. Note that I'm not saying Melo's a bad person--by all accounts, he's always been well liked in the locker room. I also don't doubt that he's going to the Hall of Fame. Indeed, that's kind of the problem: in Melo, you have a future Hall of Famer who is also a good guy...yet is no longer capable of playing a significant role on a playoff contender. Until somebody--the coach? Westbrook? PG?--confronts Melo and defines for him a reduced role more fitting his reduced abilities, they will continue to try featuring Melo in their game plans. And Melo will still occasionally shine when featured just often enough to tantalize...but not enough to win consistently. Sending Melo to the bench would allow Westbrook and PG to learn to work together--that's your best bet for this season (and hopefully beyond).

Anyway, good luck, OKC fans. I've been rooting for you ever since you almost beat the Warriors in 2016. Hope you turn it around this year!

[IAmTheBest]

I've been wanting Melo off the Knicks for years now.

He's a delusional, washed up, cancerous chucker. I hate that it had to be you guys who got afflicted with this disease (I was hoping it was the abomination known as the rockets or the cavs)

Melo has always thought he's better than he actually is. His incredible ability to make difficult shots once overshadowed all the other massive flaws in his game. But ever since he had knee surgery in 2014-2015, he as been rapidly declining. Nowadays finishing at the rim for melo means finishing the last donut. His scoring is no longer good enough to compensate for his **** defense, his ball-stopping, his **** decision making, and overall poor effort off the ball.

I dont know how this is going to boil over. Either melo gets puts in his place, which is on the bench, or the Thunder will be garbage as long as Melo starts.

Melo is delusional and egotistical, so I dont know how anyone on the Thunder is going to convince him to come off the bench without melo making a stink. Even Phil **** Jackson, who is a basketball legend, couldnt get Melo to change his ways. That's why Phil, realizing what Melo was, did everything he could to make the Knicks as inhospitable as possible to force Melo out.

I think if Melo comes off the bench the Thunder would be fine. Melo can go ham against weaker bench lineups, and he fits better with felton than he does with westbrook.

After watching Melo for years, I've come to understand that the only way melo can be a net positive to a team nowadays is if he comes off the bench. He cannot be salvaged as a starter since the last few years. I just dont know who on the Thunder can make this happen, which is sad, because even Wade, who was infinitely better than Melo back in the day, is willing to come off the bench.

While melo isn’t perfect not sure how that fixes the thunders problems that they can’t score him coming off the bench isn’t going to fix the offense it’s not gonna fix Westbrook’s shot selection plus unless Patterson starts hitting shots you have Andre Adams and pat that can’t spread the floor and Westbrook who isn’t really a shooter himself as well so all you have for shooting in that starting lineup is George and if he is the only one teams will just make sure not to leave him open and load the paint so they’d be even easier to guard

Westbrook is at his best when he is surrounded by competent defenders and can therefore just do his own thing - going ham.

Melo is an absolutely abysmal defender and he's also a black hole on offense - meaning he mixes with westbrook like oil with water.

To make things worse it seems that Westbrook is the one who is trying to accommodate Melo, which should absolutely not be the case. Melo needs to step down for the superior players in George and Westbrook. Melo needs to go to the bench for the thunder.

Melo coming off the bench will help the bench offense. It wont turn the Thunder into world beaters but it will help.

Basically - melo is trash as a starter and you guys gave up phenomenal pieces for him. Presti should be fired imo.

Good luck, though, because Melo's fat ass is delusional af and he's cancerous when it comes to sacrificing for the team. The worst part is that he somehow makes the players love him

[Phish Tank]

It's not surprising - I guess- seeing a ton of Knick fans in this thread once again.

But for OKC fans, if you want to know why Melo is struggling, there's a couple points I will make below:

1 - He's always been a volume scorer. Take away the volume and the percentages are going to look ugly. It would happen to any scorer.

2 - He's actually scoring from three as I expected. However, his percentages from midrange have fallen off the cliff. Likewise, as he's gotten older, he's taking fewer shots from within 10 ft and taking a whole lot more shots from midrange, especially right under the 3 point line - the most inefficient shot in basketball. He's always loved the midrange shot though, so that's not necessarily any different. During his prime days and during the first few years with us before the extension, he was able to get separation from his defender to make those shots. He also used the semblance of quickness to at least try to get to the paint (though not as often as I've always wished) and score off the glass. Now he's just older and obviously won't get any separation from defenders 1v1. He's just too easy to defend. Also, he can't separate fast enough to drive to the lane consistently or putback missed opportunities on the glass.

3 - As a result of 2), he's been settling and forcing a lot of midrange shots and predictably is missing those shots. He's still talented enough to get hot every now and then, but any semblance of defense will bother his shots and that's what clearly happened tonight.

Melo should really be shooting more threes and less midrange buckets. Right now 47% of his buckets are from midrange and 37% from three. While the latter is the highest % in his career, it's not enough. He should also come off curls every now and then to get some spacing to shoot from three or the midrange.

[knuckles862]

I've been wanting Melo off the Knicks for years now.

He's a delusional, washed up, cancerous chucker. I hate that it had to be you guys who got afflicted with this disease (I was hoping it was the abomination known as the rockets or the cavs)

Melo has always thought he's better than he actually is. His incredible ability to make difficult shots once overshadowed all the other massive flaws in his game. But ever since he had knee surgery in 2014-2015, he as been rapidly declining. Nowadays finishing at the rim for melo means finishing the last donut. His scoring is no longer good enough to compensate for his **** defense, his ball-stopping, his **** decision making, and overall poor effort off the ball.

I dont know how this is going to boil over. Either melo gets puts in his place, which is on the bench, or the Thunder will be garbage as long as Melo starts.

Melo is delusional and egotistical, so I dont know how anyone on the Thunder is going to convince him to come off the bench without melo making a stink. Even Phil **** Jackson, who is a basketball legend, couldnt get Melo to change his ways. That's why Phil, realizing what Melo was, did everything he could to make the Knicks as inhospitable as possible to force Melo out.

I think if Melo comes off the bench the Thunder would be fine. Melo can go ham against weaker bench lineups, and he fits better with felton than he does with westbrook.

After watching Melo for years, I've come to understand that the only way melo can be a net positive to a team nowadays is if he comes off the bench. He cannot be salvaged as a starter since the last few years. I just dont know who on the Thunder can make this happen, which is sad, because even Wade, who was infinitely better than Melo back in the day, is willing to come off the bench.

While melo isn’t perfect not sure how that fixes the thunders problems that they can’t score him coming off the bench isn’t going to fix the offense it’s not gonna fix Westbrook’s shot selection plus unless Patterson starts hitting shots you have Andre Adams and pat that can’t spread the floor and Westbrook who isn’t really a shooter himself as well so all you have for shooting in that starting lineup is George and if he is the only one teams will just make sure not to leave him open and load the paint so they’d be even easier to guard

Westbrook is at his best when he is surrounded by competent defenders and can therefore just do his own thing - going ham.

Melo is an absolutely abysmal defender and he's also a black hole on offense - meaning he mixes with westbrook like oil with water.

To make things worse it seems that Westbrook is the one who is trying to accommodate Melo, which should absolutely not be the case. Melo needs to step down for the superior players in George and Westbrook. Melo needs to go to the bench for the thunder.

Melo coming off the bench will help the bench offense. It wont turn the Thunder into world beaters but it will help.

Basically - melo is trash as a starter and you guys gave up phenomenal pieces for him. Presti should be fired imo.

Good luck, though, because Melo's fat ass is delusional af and he's cancerous when it comes to sacrificing for the team. The worst part is that he somehow makes the players love him

Lol you must be a thrill to be around regardless if you say his defense is bad even though by advanced metrics he has been average the thunder are 2nd in defense so you calling him fat and trash on defense makes you look slow considering he hasn’t been a liability from what it seems and from the few thunder games I’ve seen they usually run one of the 3 with the bench so basically it’s like one of them is with the bench and they still don’t do much but glad you aren’t a coach you’d get fired after halftime of the first game

[fishmike]

I've been wanting Melo off the Knicks for years now.

He's a delusional, washed up, cancerous chucker. I hate that it had to be you guys who got afflicted with this disease (I was hoping it was the abomination known as the rockets or the cavs)

Melo has always thought he's better than he actually is. His incredible ability to make difficult shots once overshadowed all the other massive flaws in his game. But ever since he had knee surgery in 2014-2015, he as been rapidly declining. Nowadays finishing at the rim for melo means finishing the last donut. His scoring is no longer good enough to compensate for his **** defense, his ball-stopping, his **** decision making, and overall poor effort off the ball.

I dont know how this is going to boil over. Either melo gets puts in his place, which is on the bench, or the Thunder will be garbage as long as Melo starts.

Melo is delusional and egotistical, so I dont know how anyone on the Thunder is going to convince him to come off the bench without melo making a stink. Even Phil **** Jackson, who is a basketball legend, couldnt get Melo to change his ways. That's why Phil, realizing what Melo was, did everything he could to make the Knicks as inhospitable as possible to force Melo out.

I think if Melo comes off the bench the Thunder would be fine. Melo can go ham against weaker bench lineups, and he fits better with felton than he does with westbrook.

After watching Melo for years, I've come to understand that the only way melo can be a net positive to a team nowadays is if he comes off the bench. He cannot be salvaged as a starter since the last few years. I just dont know who on the Thunder can make this happen, which is sad, because even Wade, who was infinitely better than Melo back in the day, is willing to come off the bench.

In what world is Melo cancerous. All the guys on the Knicks loved him.

The only thing delusional and egotistical is this post.

In the basketball world. He's a great guy. He's a great teammate. He will talk to you, be your friend, take you under his wing. He will take big shots and take blame if he misses. He's a great philanthropist. He slows love to young guys, fringe guys and the water boy.

All these things are true, and that is what hurts him, not helps him.

He has never played defense. Surround him with defenders as the Nuggets and Knicks both tried and you can have a good run until he shoots you out of a playoff series (go look at his game by game shooting vs. the Pacers, the one year the Knicks advanced with Melo). He takes terrible terrible shots with impunity. He holds the ball for extended periods before taking those shots. He can not and will not be held accountable for what goes on the court. When you have a guy that cant be coached, doesnt play on both ends and holds the ball for extended periods killing any offensive flow, AND most of the lockerroom likes him you have a cancer and your team will NEVER excel with that presence.

Thus the cancer comment.

Look at how the Knicks are playing. Look at how hard they are playing on both ends. Some of that is Phil and the pressure to run the triangle being gone. Even more so is the coach can hold everyone accountable to defense and playing the right way or they get benched. Only KP is above that and he's coachable so its a non issue.

Melo wasnt bad as a Knick. He was OK. The problem is he's sold as something he isnt, and thinks he's something he isnt. He can still shoot it, but refuses to change his game. If he played Ryan Anderson's role OKC would be much improved, but Melo gonna be Melo and the rest of you all can figure it out. Have fun with that and thanks for Enes and McBuckets! Maybe not "stars" but they play hard every game on both ends of the court. Presti should have looked at the tape. Melo has been a bad player for a few years now.

[dakomish23]

I've been wanting Melo off the Knicks for years now.

He's a delusional, washed up, cancerous chucker. I hate that it had to be you guys who got afflicted with this disease (I was hoping it was the abomination known as the rockets or the cavs)

Melo has always thought he's better than he actually is. His incredible ability to make difficult shots once overshadowed all the other massive flaws in his game. But ever since he had knee surgery in 2014-2015, he as been rapidly declining. Nowadays finishing at the rim for melo means finishing the last donut. His scoring is no longer good enough to compensate for his **** defense, his ball-stopping, his **** decision making, and overall poor effort off the ball.

I dont know how this is going to boil over. Either melo gets puts in his place, which is on the bench, or the Thunder will be garbage as long as Melo starts.

Melo is delusional and egotistical, so I dont know how anyone on the Thunder is going to convince him to come off the bench without melo making a stink. Even Phil **** Jackson, who is a basketball legend, couldnt get Melo to change his ways. That's why Phil, realizing what Melo was, did everything he could to make the Knicks as inhospitable as possible to force Melo out.

I think if Melo comes off the bench the Thunder would be fine. Melo can go ham against weaker bench lineups, and he fits better with felton than he does with westbrook.

After watching Melo for years, I've come to understand that the only way melo can be a net positive to a team nowadays is if he comes off the bench. He cannot be salvaged as a starter since the last few years. I just dont know who on the Thunder can make this happen, which is sad, because even Wade, who was infinitely better than Melo back in the day, is willing to come off the bench.

In what world is Melo cancerous. All the guys on the Knicks loved him.

The only thing delusional and egotistical is this post.

In the basketball world. He's a great guy. He's a great teammate. He will talk to you, be your friend, take you under his wing. He will take big shots and take blame if he misses. He's a great philanthropist. He slows love to young guys, fringe guys and the water boy.

All these things are true, and that is what hurts him, not helps him.

He has never played defense. Surround him with defenders as the Nuggets and Knicks both tried and you can have a good run until he shoots you out of a playoff series (go look at his game by game shooting vs. the Pacers, the one year the Knicks advanced with Melo). He takes terrible terrible shots with impunity. He holds the ball for extended periods before taking those shots. He can not and will not be held accountable for what goes on the court. When you have a guy that cant be coached, doesnt play on both ends and holds the ball for extended periods killing any offensive flow, AND most of the lockerroom likes him you have a cancer and your team will NEVER excel with that presence.

Thus the cancer comment.

Look at how the Knicks are playing. Look at how hard they are playing on both ends. Some of that is Phil and the pressure to run the triangle being gone. Even more so is the coach can hold everyone accountable to defense and playing the right way or they get benched. Only KP is above that and he's coachable so its a non issue.

Melo wasnt bad as a Knick. He was OK. The problem is he's sold as something he isnt, and thinks he's something he isnt. He can still shoot it, but refuses to change his game. If he played Ryan Anderson's role OKC would be much improved, but Melo gonna be Melo and the rest of you all can figure it out. Have fun with that and thanks for Enes and McBuckets! Maybe not "stars" but they play hard every game on both ends of the court. Presti should have looked at the tape. Melo has been a bad player for a few years now.

A. Melo has not been a bad player for a few years. That’s 100% false. His last semi-elite season was 13-14. After that, he’s still been solid. 14-15 he was injured. 15-16 he was very good - go even ask some of his most zealous haters. Last year there was a decline.
B. You don’t know what it means to be a cancer to a team then if that’s your explanation

[Reign23]

he is adjusting. liked his last game. he was not forcing anything (unlike PG) with Russ hot. thought he moved the ball well but had only 2 assists to show for because PG and Grant clanked wide open threes. as he is clearly not the same player he was 3-4 years ago his scoring will come back a bit as the season progresses. more run with the bench units would obv help in this criteria

[fishmike]

In what world is Melo cancerous. All the guys on the Knicks loved him.

The only thing delusional and egotistical is this post.

In the basketball world. He's a great guy. He's a great teammate. He will talk to you, be your friend, take you under his wing. He will take big shots and take blame if he misses. He's a great philanthropist. He slows love to young guys, fringe guys and the water boy.

All these things are true, and that is what hurts him, not helps him.

He has never played defense. Surround him with defenders as the Nuggets and Knicks both tried and you can have a good run until he shoots you out of a playoff series (go look at his game by game shooting vs. the Pacers, the one year the Knicks advanced with Melo). He takes terrible terrible shots with impunity. He holds the ball for extended periods before taking those shots. He can not and will not be held accountable for what goes on the court. When you have a guy that cant be coached, doesnt play on both ends and holds the ball for extended periods killing any offensive flow, AND most of the lockerroom likes him you have a cancer and your team will NEVER excel with that presence.

Thus the cancer comment.

Look at how the Knicks are playing. Look at how hard they are playing on both ends. Some of that is Phil and the pressure to run the triangle being gone. Even more so is the coach can hold everyone accountable to defense and playing the right way or they get benched. Only KP is above that and he's coachable so its a non issue.

Melo wasnt bad as a Knick. He was OK. The problem is he's sold as something he isnt, and thinks he's something he isnt. He can still shoot it, but refuses to change his game. If he played Ryan Anderson's role OKC would be much improved, but Melo gonna be Melo and the rest of you all can figure it out. Have fun with that and thanks for Enes and McBuckets! Maybe not "stars" but they play hard every game on both ends of the court. Presti should have looked at the tape. Melo has been a bad player for a few years now.

A. Melo has not been a bad player for a few years. That’s 100% false. His last semi-elite season was 13-14. After that, he’s still been solid. 14-15 he was injured. 15-16 he was very good - go even ask some of his most zealous haters. Last year there was a decline.
B. You don’t know what it means to be a cancer to a team then if that’s your explanation

Your right... bad player for his role. Not bad player in general. As a franchise player, star player, max player, all star player, elite player... pick your superlatives... in THAT context Melo has been BAD for several years. In general a bad player? No.. you are correct.

Are you looking at stats or is there any eye test?

Last few years Melo has been a volume shooter who doesnt play defense. Maybe cancer sounds a little rough. Bottom line is the Knicks were not going to win with him there. They were not going to get young guys to share the ball and defend when the alpha guy does neither. Some cancer kills. Others can be cut out and survived. Hornecek could not do what he's doing now with Melo on the roster.

So no.. nothing I said is a 100% false but hopefully my context clarifies the point. What kind of player do you think OKC traded for? What do you think they got? How has Melo changed his game to adapt to playing with a better roster?

Melo doesnt have any haters. Only homers who attack those who fail to recognize Melo's place among the NBA elite. He's a HOF scorer but with so much tread on his wheels its been a few years since he was anywhere close. At $25mm a year plus? He's BAD.

[dakomish23]

In the basketball world. He's a great guy. He's a great teammate. He will talk to you, be your friend, take you under his wing. He will take big shots and take blame if he misses. He's a great philanthropist. He slows love to young guys, fringe guys and the water boy.

All these things are true, and that is what hurts him, not helps him.

He has never played defense. Surround him with defenders as the Nuggets and Knicks both tried and you can have a good run until he shoots you out of a playoff series (go look at his game by game shooting vs. the Pacers, the one year the Knicks advanced with Melo). He takes terrible terrible shots with impunity. He holds the ball for extended periods before taking those shots. He can not and will not be held accountable for what goes on the court. When you have a guy that cant be coached, doesnt play on both ends and holds the ball for extended periods killing any offensive flow, AND most of the lockerroom likes him you have a cancer and your team will NEVER excel with that presence.

Thus the cancer comment.

Look at how the Knicks are playing. Look at how hard they are playing on both ends. Some of that is Phil and the pressure to run the triangle being gone. Even more so is the coach can hold everyone accountable to defense and playing the right way or they get benched. Only KP is above that and he's coachable so its a non issue.

Melo wasnt bad as a Knick. He was OK. The problem is he's sold as something he isnt, and thinks he's something he isnt. He can still shoot it, but refuses to change his game. If he played Ryan Anderson's role OKC would be much improved, but Melo gonna be Melo and the rest of you all can figure it out. Have fun with that and thanks for Enes and McBuckets! Maybe not "stars" but they play hard every game on both ends of the court. Presti should have looked at the tape. Melo has been a bad player for a few years now.

A. Melo has not been a bad player for a few years. That’s 100% false. His last semi-elite season was 13-14. After that, he’s still been solid. 14-15 he was injured. 15-16 he was very good - go even ask some of his most zealous haters. Last year there was a decline.
B. You don’t know what it means to be a cancer to a team then if that’s your explanation

Your right... bad player for his role. Not bad player in general. As a franchise player, star player, max player, all star player, elite player... pick your superlatives... in THAT context Melo has been BAD for several years. In general a bad player? No.. you are correct.

Are you looking at stats or is there any eye test?

Last few years Melo has been a volume shooter who doesnt play defense. Maybe cancer sounds a little rough. Bottom line is the Knicks were not going to win with him there. They were not going to get young guys to share the ball and defend when the alpha guy does neither. Some cancer kills. Others can be cut out and survived. Hornecek could not do what he's doing now with Melo on the roster.

So no.. nothing I said is a 100% false but hopefully my context clarifies the point. What kind of player do you think OKC traded for? What do you think they got? How has Melo changed his game to adapt to playing with a better roster?

Melo doesnt have any haters. Only homers who attack those who fail to recognize Melo's place among the NBA elite. He's a HOF scorer but with so much tread on his wheels its been a few years since he was anywhere close. At $25mm a year plus? He's BAD.

You said he was a bad player for years. If you meant bad for the role he was playing, that changes the meaning of what you said. What you said was a 100% false.

Did I say Melo is still amongst the elite or anywhere close? No.

Did I say he’s worth his price tag this year? No.

You’re making that up to say it’s “homers” who don’t see this.

He was far from a cancer for the Knicks. The Knicks are winning now b/c they finally addressed what has been the worst PG play in the NBA for decades and they added another playmaker in THJ.

He has not been a bad player for years. He started to decline last year. The decline has continued.

[Clyde_Style]

First time I've looked at the OKC board and thought I was on the Knicks board.

its all Melo fans and his detractors posting in here

ha ha ha

[bondom34]

First time I've looked at the OKC board and thought I was on the Knicks board.

its all Melo fans and his detractors posting in here

ha ha ha

Take them back please.

Edit: Except a few, dakomish for one is cool. Sure I'm forgetting some but he's been a regular and is a good guy

[Clyde_Style]

First time I've looked at the OKC board and thought I was on the Knicks board.

its all Melo fans and his detractors posting in here

ha ha ha

Take them back please.

The Melo wars on the Knicks board are legendary. Never seen a more divisive player ever. I don't like him at all, never have, so I'm now a big Sam Presti fan. But I won't torture OKC fans with my thoughts on him. You have my sympathies actually. Good luck with him

[Clyde_Style]

First time I've looked at the OKC board and thought I was on the Knicks board.

its all Melo fans and his detractors posting in here

ha ha ha

Take them back please.

Edit: Except a few, dakomish for one is cool. Sure I'm forgetting some but he's been a regular and is a good guy

He was one of what we call the Melostans, but he's OK. Him and I fought like dogs, but we're both rooting for our Knicks now so we're OK. But quite a few of the Melo fanatics were only there for Melo and showed their true colors by fading away after he was traded. Oddly, when you would criticize Melo they'd call you a fake fan and now they're ghosts. Illogical stuff like that

[bondom34]

First time I've looked at the OKC board and thought I was on the Knicks board.

its all Melo fans and his detractors posting in here

ha ha ha

Take them back please.

Edit: Except a few, dakomish for one is cool. Sure I'm forgetting some but he's been a regular and is a good guy

He was one of what we call the Melostans, but he's OK. Him and I fought like dogs, but we're both rooting for our Knicks now so we're OK. But quite a few of the Melo fanatics were only there for Melo and showed their true colors by fading away after he was traded. Oddly, when you would criticize Melo they'd call you a fake fan and now they're ghosts. Illogical stuff like that

Take care of Enes. A great teammate for everyone in OKC,miss the dude.

[Clyde_Style]

Take them back please.

Edit: Except a few, dakomish for one is cool. Sure I'm forgetting some but he's been a regular and is a good guy

He was one of what we call the Melostans, but he's OK. Him and I fought like dogs, but we're both rooting for our Knicks now so we're OK. But quite a few of the Melo fanatics were only there for Melo and showed their true colors by fading away after he was traded. Oddly, when you would criticize Melo they'd call you a fake fan and now they're ghosts. Illogical stuff like that

Take care of Enes. A great teammate for everyone in OKC,miss the dude.

Most of us love him. He's the heart of our team now. True warrior. Hope he remains a Knick.

We like Dougie too. He's doing laps on the court making clean cuts and getting open. And he's playing defense though we were told he doesn't.

[bondom34]

He was one of what we call the Melostans, but he's OK. Him and I fought like dogs, but we're both rooting for our Knicks now so we're OK. But quite a few of the Melo fanatics were only there for Melo and showed their true colors by fading away after he was traded. Oddly, when you would criticize Melo they'd call you a fake fan and now they're ghosts. Illogical stuff like that

Take care of Enes. A great teammate for everyone in OKC,miss the dude.

Most of us love him. He's the heart of our team now. True warrior. Hope he remains a Knick.

We like Dougie too. He's doing laps on the court making clean cuts and getting open. And he's playing defense though we were told he doesn't.

He always tried. His defensive metrics are still awful as always.

[Clyde_Style]

Take care of Enes. A great teammate for everyone in OKC,miss the dude.

Most of us love him. He's the heart of our team now. True warrior. Hope he remains a Knick.

We like Dougie too. He's doing laps on the court making clean cuts and getting open. And he's playing defense though we were told he doesn't.

He always tried. His defensive metrics are still awful as always.

If you watch him now he's actually staying in front of his man or staying on their hip. He has occasional lapses though and sometimes get beat, but overall he has improved enough that he is not a net negative player on that end of the floor.

But Enes has improved on D too. Knicks are building a new identity around D after being awful for a long time.

Frank and Baker are high level defenders so we're slowly adding top defenders. Doug and Enes are trying to a part of that vibe which is all we ask for.

And Kanter is playing hurt. Many of us hope he sits out some games to heal, but he's playing through pain. So respect, but want to protect too.

[bondom34]

Most of us love him. He's the heart of our team now. True warrior. Hope he remains a Knick.

We like Dougie too. He's doing laps on the court making clean cuts and getting open. And he's playing defense though we were told he doesn't.

He always tried. His defensive metrics are still awful as always.

If you watch him now he's actually staying in front of his man or staying on their hip. He has occasional lapses though and sometimes get beat, but overall he has improved enough that he is not a net negative player on that end of the floor.

But Enes has improved on D too. Knicks are building a new identity around D after being awful for a long time.

Frank and Baker are high level defenders so we're slowly adding top defenders. Doug and Enes are trying to a part of that vibe which is all we ask for.

And Kanter is playing hurt. Many of us hope he sits out some games to heal, but he's playing through pain. So respect, but want to protect too.

Doug's still a pretty big negative on D by everything I can see numbers wise, but Enes has improved. He was gradually getting better yearly too, and hope he gets well. I saw he was on crutches right after a game and was amazed the guy played through it. He's really a great guy to have in a locker room for his attitude alone.