Around the NBA: 2018—19

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[Pillendreher]

Denver finally slips up

[Pillendreher]

I find this whining by Lakers fans highly entertaining.

[ThunderBolt]

[Dadouv47]

That was just one game but I don't want to face the lakers in a playoff series. Lebron + the veterans they have (Rondo, Chandler, KCP etc). Hope some GSW-Lakers first round series

[ThunderBolt]

The nba's response to New Orleans threatening to sit Anthony Davis is ridiculous. I support that there should be times when the the player has the upper hand and other times that the franchise has the upper hand. This AD thing is really unfair to New Orleans. They should absolutely have the right to sit a player who said he wants to leave and they haven't traded yet. They should not be threatened with fines and loss of a draft pick. I really don't care about the fans. Be mad at AD. The way he handled this, I would be ok with New Orleans having the option to sit him the rest of the season and he loses his pay. Give new Orleans the option to use that money this year or next and exceed the cap with no tax.

Before anyone responds that I'm being too anti-player I would point to the Jimmy Butler bulls contract extension. The bulls were said to have forced Butler so sign an extension when he didn't want and they threatened to bench him and hurt his value if he refused. I'm not ok with that. I would argue that in a situation like the butler scenario, I would be ok with the league releasing a player from his contract if this front office was guilty of extortion. Also, they should lose draft picks.

Most of these issues come from power struggles of one side trying to gain control when it's not their turn. If players want control they have ways to get it but it involves sacrificing money and long term contracts. Even Lebron can and should have limitations on the amount of power he has in the league because even the best and most valuable employees are still just employees. If they don't like it then find another job. They are making tens of millions of dollars a year. I'm just not that sympathetic because these millionaires have to work for billionaires.

I don't mind player transparency with the front office and vice versa. Davis has a right to let the front office know he doesn't want to stay. You could argue that the FO is better off knowing in advance. Durant had the right to leave. For the record, New Orleans did a lousy job building around Davis but they should have been given the full length of the contract to do it.

I don't even know how to fix the situation. I think there has to be a stronger demarcation of which side has power and control based on the contract. There needs to be greater accountability from both sides. If there ends up being a lockout because of this, so be it. I'm sick of this.

[SecondTake]

The nba's response to New Orleans threatening to sit Anthony Davis is ridiculous. I support that there should be times when the the player has the upper hand and other times that the franchise has the upper hand. This AD thing is really unfair to New Orleans. They should absolutely have the right to sit a player who said he wants to leave and they haven't traded yet. They should not be threatened with fines and loss of a draft pick. I really don't care about the fans. Be mad at AD. The way he handled this, I would be ok with New Orleans having the option to sit him the rest of the season and he loses his pay. Give new Orleans the option to use that money this year or next and exceed the cap with no tax.

Before anyone responds that I'm being too anti-player I would point to the Jimmy Butler bulls contract extension. The bulls were said to have forced Butler so sign an extension when he didn't want and they threatened to bench him and hurt his value if he refused. I'm not ok with that. I would argue that in a situation like the butler scenario, I would be ok with the league releasing a player from his contract if this front office was guilty of extortion. Also, they should lose draft picks.

Most of these issues come from power struggles of one side trying to gain control when it's not their turn. If players want control they have ways to get it but it involves sacrificing money and long term contracts. Even Lebron can and should have limitations on the amount of power he has in the league because even the best and most valuable employees are still just employees. If they don't like it then find another job. They are making tens of millions of dollars a year. I'm just not that sympathetic because these millionaires have to work for billionaires.

I don't mind player transparency with the front office and vice versa. Davis has a right to let the front office know he doesn't want to stay. You could argue that the FO is better off knowing in advance. Durant had the right to leave. For the record, New Orleans did a lousy job building around Davis but they should have been given the full length of the contract to do it.

I don't even know how to fix the situation. I think there has to be a stronger demarcation of which side has power and control based on the contract. There needs to be greater accountability from both sides. If there ends up being a lockout because of this, so be it. I'm sick of this.

NOP could get around the rules by playing him 5 minutes a game. They're choosing not to.

[ThunderBolt]

The nba's response to New Orleans threatening to sit Anthony Davis is ridiculous. I support that there should be times when the the player has the upper hand and other times that the franchise has the upper hand. This AD thing is really unfair to New Orleans. They should absolutely have the right to sit a player who said he wants to leave and they haven't traded yet. They should not be threatened with fines and loss of a draft pick. I really don't care about the fans. Be mad at AD. The way he handled this, I would be ok with New Orleans having the option to sit him the rest of the season and he loses his pay. Give new Orleans the option to use that money this year or next and exceed the cap with no tax.

Before anyone responds that I'm being too anti-player I would point to the Jimmy Butler bulls contract extension. The bulls were said to have forced Butler so sign an extension when he didn't want and they threatened to bench him and hurt his value if he refused. I'm not ok with that. I would argue that in a situation like the butler scenario, I would be ok with the league releasing a player from his contract if this front office was guilty of extortion. Also, they should lose draft picks.

Most of these issues come from power struggles of one side trying to gain control when it's not their turn. If players want control they have ways to get it but it involves sacrificing money and long term contracts. Even Lebron can and should have limitations on the amount of power he has in the league because even the best and most valuable employees are still just employees. If they don't like it then find another job. They are making tens of millions of dollars a year. I'm just not that sympathetic because these millionaires have to work for billionaires.

I don't mind player transparency with the front office and vice versa. Davis has a right to let the front office know he doesn't want to stay. You could argue that the FO is better off knowing in advance. Durant had the right to leave. For the record, New Orleans did a lousy job building around Davis but they should have been given the full length of the contract to do it.

I don't even know how to fix the situation. I think there has to be a stronger demarcation of which side has power and control based on the contract. There needs to be greater accountability from both sides. If there ends up being a lockout because of this, so be it. I'm sick of this.

NOP could get around the rules by playing him 5 minutes a game. They're choosing not to.

No they can't They can't deviate from his average minutes.

[Pillendreher]

The nba's response to New Orleans threatening to sit Anthony Davis is ridiculous. I support that there should be times when the the player has the upper hand and other times that the franchise has the upper hand. This AD thing is really unfair to New Orleans. They should absolutely have the right to sit a player who said he wants to leave and they haven't traded yet. They should not be threatened with fines and loss of a draft pick. I really don't care about the fans. Be mad at AD. The way he handled this, I would be ok with New Orleans having the option to sit him the rest of the season and he loses his pay. Give new Orleans the option to use that money this year or next and exceed the cap with no tax.

Before anyone responds that I'm being too anti-player I would point to the Jimmy Butler bulls contract extension. The bulls were said to have forced Butler so sign an extension when he didn't want and they threatened to bench him and hurt his value if he refused. I'm not ok with that. I would argue that in a situation like the butler scenario, I would be ok with the league releasing a player from his contract if this front office was guilty of extortion. Also, they should lose draft picks.

Most of these issues come from power struggles of one side trying to gain control when it's not their turn. If players want control they have ways to get it but it involves sacrificing money and long term contracts. Even Lebron can and should have limitations on the amount of power he has in the league because even the best and most valuable employees are still just employees. If they don't like it then find another job. They are making tens of millions of dollars a year. I'm just not that sympathetic because these millionaires have to work for billionaires.

I don't mind player transparency with the front office and vice versa. Davis has a right to let the front office know he doesn't want to stay. You could argue that the FO is better off knowing in advance. Durant had the right to leave. For the record, New Orleans did a lousy job building around Davis but they should have been given the full length of the contract to do it.

I don't even know how to fix the situation. I think there has to be a stronger demarcation of which side has power and control based on the contract. There needs to be greater accountability from both sides. If there ends up being a lockout because of this, so be it. I'm sick of this.

NOP could get around the rules by playing him 5 minutes a game. They're choosing not to.

Wasn't it reported that the league told them to play him a certain amount of minutes?

[SecondTake]

The nba's response to New Orleans threatening to sit Anthony Davis is ridiculous. I support that there should be times when the the player has the upper hand and other times that the franchise has the upper hand. This AD thing is really unfair to New Orleans. They should absolutely have the right to sit a player who said he wants to leave and they haven't traded yet. They should not be threatened with fines and loss of a draft pick. I really don't care about the fans. Be mad at AD. The way he handled this, I would be ok with New Orleans having the option to sit him the rest of the season and he loses his pay. Give new Orleans the option to use that money this year or next and exceed the cap with no tax.

Before anyone responds that I'm being too anti-player I would point to the Jimmy Butler bulls contract extension. The bulls were said to have forced Butler so sign an extension when he didn't want and they threatened to bench him and hurt his value if he refused. I'm not ok with that. I would argue that in a situation like the butler scenario, I would be ok with the league releasing a player from his contract if this front office was guilty of extortion. Also, they should lose draft picks.

Most of these issues come from power struggles of one side trying to gain control when it's not their turn. If players want control they have ways to get it but it involves sacrificing money and long term contracts. Even Lebron can and should have limitations on the amount of power he has in the league because even the best and most valuable employees are still just employees. If they don't like it then find another job. They are making tens of millions of dollars a year. I'm just not that sympathetic because these millionaires have to work for billionaires.

I don't mind player transparency with the front office and vice versa. Davis has a right to let the front office know he doesn't want to stay. You could argue that the FO is better off knowing in advance. Durant had the right to leave. For the record, New Orleans did a lousy job building around Davis but they should have been given the full length of the contract to do it.

I don't even know how to fix the situation. I think there has to be a stronger demarcation of which side has power and control based on the contract. There needs to be greater accountability from both sides. If there ends up being a lockout because of this, so be it. I'm sick of this.

NOP could get around the rules by playing him 5 minutes a game. They're choosing not to.

No they can't They can't deviate from his average minutes.

Are you sure? From what I read they're not allow to sit Davis out of games, but they can reduce his minutes;

"Davis to get back into the lineup last night. However, there is nothing stopping the Pelicans from limiting Davis’ minutes every night.

Friday, Davis tallied 25 minutes of playing time, which is noticeably low for a star of his caliber. This was a full 12 minutes under his average amount of 37 minutes per game he was previously seeing this season. Despite the game being so close and finishing at 122-117 in favor of the Pelicans, Anthony Davis was held out for the entire fourth quarter of the contest."

[Pillendreher]

I don't even know how to fix the situation. I think there has to be a stronger demarcation of which side has power and control based on the contract. There needs to be greater accountability from both sides. If there ends up being a lockout because of this, so be it. I'm sick of this.

The league needs to enable the teams to fight back. What we've been seeing these past couple seasons is multiple players not even playing out their contracts, but starting a PR war to basically get out of them prematurely. The players are drawing guns while the franchises have to try to defend themselves with a wooden spoon. Teams should be able to fine them for doing stuff like that. There should be a penalty that suspends players without pay for a whole season if they try something like this. You are free to demand a trade, but this recent trend goes well beyond that with Davis and James' lackey telling everybody to hold their beer.

[ThunderBolt]

NOP could get around the rules by playing him 5 minutes a game. They're choosing not to.

No they can't They can't deviate from his average minutes.

Are you sure? From what I read they're not allow to sit Davis out of games, but they can reduce his minutes;

"Davis to get back into the lineup last night. However, there is nothing stopping the Pelicans from limiting Davis’ minutes every night.

Friday, Davis tallied 25 minutes of playing time, which is noticeably low for a star of his caliber. This was a full 12 minutes under his average amount of 37 minutes per game he was previously seeing this season. Despite the game being so close and finishing at 122-117 in favor of the Pelicans, Anthony Davis was held out for the entire fourth quarter of the contest."

That's what was said in the main thread on the General Board. I'm not sure how great the source is. Last night he was on a minutes restriction since it was his first game back from injury. This ESPN article talks about the fact that they can't bench him entirely but doesn't really reference if they can or cannot limit his minutes. It describes it as an "ethical" situation. They will sit him on back to backs.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25954077/nba-stressed-rest-rule-100k-fine-pelicans-anthony-davis

[spearsy23]

Inject Luka straight into my veins.

[hardenASG13]

Jeremy Lin bought out by ATL today. I guess they didn't ship out Schroeder to open up time for Lin because they were trying to win games, slick. He simply is not the better player. Far from it.

[CROklahoma]

Did he really argument Schroeder as a bad player by Atlanta opening up minutes for Lin ? XDDD

[SecondTake]

Schroder eats Lin for breakfast.

[slick_watts]

Jeremy Lin bought out by ATL today. I guess they didn't ship out Schroeder to open up time for Lin because they were trying to win games, slick. He simply is not the better player. Far from it.

atlanta bought him out to save some money. they aren't going anywhere. they preferred lin on the roster over schroder.

lin has been better than schroder this season.



better at damned near everything lol. if schroder wasn't playing on an elite defensive team and lin a terrible one the gap on bpm would be enormous.

[SecondTake]

Jeremy Lin bought out by ATL today. I guess they didn't ship out Schroeder to open up time for Lin because they were trying to win games, slick. He simply is not the better player. Far from it.

atlanta bought him out to save some money. they aren't going anywhere. they preferred lin on the roster over schroder.

lin has been better than schroder this season.



better at damned near everything lol. if schroder wasn't playing on an elite defensive team and lin a terrible one the gap on bpm would be enormous.

If Schroder wasn't playing with the most offensively challenged bench it wouldn't be close. Schroder blows Lin out of the water. List the top 5 biggest scoring quarters for either guy and Schroder owns most of them.

[slick_watts]

Jeremy Lin bought out by ATL today. I guess they didn't ship out Schroeder to open up time for Lin because they were trying to win games, slick. He simply is not the better player. Far from it.

atlanta bought him out to save some money. they aren't going anywhere. they preferred lin on the roster over schroder.

lin has been better than schroder this season.



better at damned near everything lol. if schroder wasn't playing on an elite defensive team and lin a terrible one the gap on bpm would be enormous.

If Schroder wasn't playing with the most offensively challenged bench it wouldn't be close. Schroder blows Lin out of the water. List the top 5 biggest scoring quarters for either guy and Schroder owns most of them.

i know i've got you when you begin to list untestable parameters. sit down, rookie.

[hardenASG13]

Jeremy Lin bought out by ATL today. I guess they didn't ship out Schroeder to open up time for Lin because they were trying to win games, slick. He simply is not the better player. Far from it.

atlanta bought him out to save some money. they aren't going anywhere. they preferred lin on the roster over schroder.

lin has been better than schroder this season.



better at damned near everything lol. if schroder wasn't playing on an elite defensive team and lin a terrible one the gap on bpm would be enormous.

Schroeder has been logging major minutes for a contender. Lin has played spot minutes on a tanking squad, often involved in blowout losses. You can't compare the 2 statistically. It's pretty evident Schroeder is the better talent, by far, if you watch the 2 play. Schroeder has been key in quite a few wins for okc where he has taken over offensively. Great bench luxury.