Trade Ideas, AKA Please God Bring Us Shooters

[spearsy23]

I don’t see how it could happen without Adams and I’m not sure how we could make up for his loss. Would we take back mahini for our lack of assets?

How it could happen financially, or value wise?

[ThunderBolt]

I don’t see how it could happen without Adams and I’m not sure how we could make up for his loss. Would we take back mahini for our lack of assets?

How it could happen financially, or value wise?

I guess both. If Adams were moved, we would need another center. We have limited assets so would taking back mahini help with that? Do the wiz value getting prospects, proven players or dumping bad salary the most? The Kanter for Melo trade was pretty obvious before it happened. This one is more of a head scratcher for me. For it to be worth it to us for this year, we would probably need to do something like http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaz9u7a7. The only way this works is if we screw the wizards. With Grunfeld calling the shots, nothing would surprise me.

[spearsy23]

I don’t see how it could happen without Adams and I’m not sure how we could make up for his loss. Would we take back mahini for our lack of assets?

How it could happen financially, or value wise?

I guess both. If Adams were moved, we would need another center. We have limited assets so would taking back mahini help with that? Do the wiz value getting prospects, proven players or dumping bad salary the most? The Kanter for Melo trade was pretty obvious before it happened. This one is more of a head scratcher for me. For it to be worth it to us for this year, we would probably need to do something like http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaz9u7a7. The only way this works is if we screw the wizards. With Grunfeld calling the shots, nothing would surprise me.

The one thing I'm banking on is Scott Brooks opinion of Roberson. If the wizards wanted him then we could make it work.

[Pillendreher]

Wizards fans have told me that Grundfeld prefers "playing it safe" with trades, ie he's traded in a way that ensures that he's not getting blasted for the deal. That would kinda rule out the "maybe they're too stupid to..." kind of deal, although I guess you never know. It's not like the current mess the Wizards are in isn't a direct result of his GMing. Who's to say he wouldn't **** up again? Beal is most likely the most moveable player of their core, so he might think that getting multiple rotational players back instead of not getting anything for Wall or a bad contract for Porter might be the better move. Who the hell knows.

[ThunderBolt]

Wizards fans have told me that Grundfeld prefers "playing it safe" with trades, ie he's traded in a way that ensures that he's not getting blasted for the deal. That would kinda rule out the "maybe they're too stupid to..." kind of deal, although I guess you never know. It's not like the current mess the Wizards are in isn't a direct result of his GMing. Who's to say he wouldn't **** up again? Beal is most likely the most moveable player of their core, so he might think that getting multiple rotational players back instead of not getting anything for Wall or a bad contract for Porter might be the better move. Who the hell knows.

If Wall is moved or they have a deal in place I could see schroder being more appealing. The downside is George, Leonard and Butler didn’t get traded to the places they initially requested. Beal hasnt said, “trade me to OKC” but we’ve learned that player preferences mean nothing. In fact, I think most gms make sure they don’t accommodate the player. The good news is Beal hasn’t actually said anything publicly and OKC is known for having good relationships with other front offices. The social media follows are hopefully foreshadowing.

[Woerzboerg]

Question. Can Melo’s exception be used to help absorb some of Beal’s salary in a potential deal?


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No. TPEs can be only used if the contract is not bigger than the TPE.

What would work financially, but I'm not seeing the Wizards doing it:

OKC gets: Beal, Morris or another of the Wizards PFs (via TPE)
Wizards get: Roberson, Patterson, Abrines, Ferguson

[Mattv]

I dont see okc trading Schroder to get Beal we need a back up Pg more than we need another a Sg plus Diallo ferguson Tlc and burton all need playing time there all getting better ever game they get meaningful Min.

[Pillendreher]

I dont see okc trading Schroder to get Beal we need a back up Pg more than we need another a Sg plus Diallo ferguson Tlc and burton all need playing time there all getting better ever game they get meaningful Min.

Beal is a a much better player than Schröder. And chances are not a single one of our young wings ever become as good as Beal is now. If you can trade for Beal without giving up one of Westbrook, George or Adams, you do that without looking back.

[spearsy23]

I dont see okc trading Schroder to get Beal we need a back up Pg more than we need another a Sg plus Diallo ferguson Tlc and burton all need playing time there all getting better ever game they get meaningful Min.

Beal is a a much better player than Schröder. And chances are not a single one of our young wings ever become as good as Beal is now. If you can trade for Beal without giving up one of Westbrook, George or Adams, you do that without looking back.

At the same time, if you're doing it you have to get satoransky back or look for another trade. Felton getting minutes won't cut it.

[Mattv]

I dont see okc trading Schroder to get Beal we need a back up Pg more than we need another a Sg plus Diallo ferguson Tlc and burton all need playing time there all getting better ever game they get meaningful Min.

Beal is a a much better player than Schröder. And chances are not a single one of our young wings ever become as good as Beal is now. If you can trade for Beal without giving up one of Westbrook, George or Adams, you do that without looking back.[/quote

1.I agree Beal is the better player but there is only one basketball during the game and beal is going to want the ball plus the 10 millon more beal makes.
2.Okc would cripple there self more than they already are and not be able to get another Center to back up Adams and when Noel leaves next year plus we have a Pf issue they will have to figure out.
3.Okc is a small market i dont see them spending the money they are right now long term to try to develop the young talent they have they have are there best chance to win a championship.

[Pillendreher]

1.I agree Beal is the better player but there is only one basketball during the game and beal is going to want the ball plus the 10 millon more beal makes.

There's a big difference between being able to handle and create for others and actively needing the ball to contribute. Historically speaking, Schröder is the latter while Beal is the former. If there's one thing this team has been looking for in forever, it's spot up shooting from the 3. Beal can do that and then some. And he is actually the kind of player that combines the best of both worlds on offense.

Okc would cripple there self more than they already are and not be able to get another Center to back up Adams and when Noel leaves next year plus we have a Pf issue they will have to figure out.

I thought this was about trading Schröder + x for Beal. Where did that Adams come from? That's a different discussion.

3.Okc is a small market i dont see them spending the money they are right now long term so try to develop the young talent they have they have are there best best to win a championship.

Their best player just turned 30 and George is approaching that as well. If they plan to contend for a title again while Russ is still in his prime, the time to do so is now. You won't win anything with Ferguson becoming a good NBA starter 3, 4 years down the line. By then it's already too late for this current version of the franchise I fear.

[Mattv]

1.I agree Beal is the better player but there is only one basketball during the game and beal is going to want the ball plus the 10 millon more beal makes.

There's a big difference between being able to handle and create for others and actively needing the ball to contribute. Historically speaking, Schröder is the latter while Beal is the former. If there's one thing this team has been looking for in forever, it's spot up shooting from the 3. Beal can do that and then some. And he is actually the kind of player that combines the best of both worlds on offense.

I would love to to have beal dont get me wrong

Okc would cripple there self more than they already are and not be able to get another Center to back up Adams and when Noel leaves next year plus we have a Pf issue they will have to figure out.

I thought this was about trading Schröder + x for Beal. Where did that Adams come from? That's a different discussion.

I said a back up center to back up Adams but if beal cage to okc i would think Adam would be the odd man out because Okc will be at the sallery cap with 4 players unless the are just trying to buy low and sell high on beal if they can get him cheap enough.

3.Okc is a small market i dont see them spending the money they are right now long term so try to develop the young talent they have they have are there best best to win a championship.

Their best player just turned 30 and George is approaching that as well. If they plan to contend for a title again while Russ is still in his prime, the time to do so is now. You won't win anything with Ferguson becoming a good NBA starter 3, 4 years down the line. By then it's already too late for this current version of the franchise I fear.

Definitely not wait on fegurson or anyone to develop but Okc definitely has enough Sg and talent to do a Sg by committee type deal and see what happens especially if dre is back and healthy and that Shooting coach hes been working with has made improvements.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Russ (because Schroder is better), Adams (because Noel is better) and Roberson (because offense wins and defense is for losers) for Love, Sexton, George Hill and Korver. OKC clearly gets deeper and better. Cleveland gets their LeBron replacement, but we know that no one can win with those cats.

I would like to thank getrichordie, sleestak33 and hardenASG2013 for inspiring this trade idea. Without their incredible and amazing posts I would have never thought of such a thing.

[spearsy23]

1.I agree Beal is the better player but there is only one basketball during the game and beal is going to want the ball plus the 10 millon more beal makes.

There's a big difference between being able to handle and create for others and actively needing the ball to contribute. Historically speaking, Schröder is the latter while Beal is the former. If there's one thing this team has been looking for in forever, it's spot up shooting from the 3. Beal can do that and then some. And he is actually the kind of player that combines the best of both worlds on offense.

I would love to to have beal dont get me wrong

Okc would cripple there self more than they already are and not be able to get another Center to back up Adams and when Noel leaves next year plus we have a Pf issue they will have to figure out.

I thought this was about trading Schröder + x for Beal. Where did that Adams come from? That's a different discussion.

I said a back up center to back up Adams but if beal cage to okc i would think Adam would be the odd man out because Okc will be at the sallery cap with 4 players unless the are just trying to buy low and sell high on beal if they can get him cheap enough.

3.Okc is a small market i dont see them spending the money they are right now long term so try to develop the young talent they have they have are there best best to win a championship.

Their best player just turned 30 and George is approaching that as well. If they plan to contend for a title again while Russ is still in his prime, the time to do so is now. You won't win anything with Ferguson becoming a good NBA starter 3, 4 years down the line. By then it's already too late for this current version of the franchise I fear.

Definitely not wait on fegurson or anyone to develop but Okc definitely has enough Sg and talent to do a Sg by committee type deal and see what happens especially if dre is back and healthy and that Shooting coach hes been working with has made improvements.

Enough talent at sg to do what? You can't replace quality with quantity. For reference every sg currently on the roster combined (as in if they could all somehow fit into the rotation at just sg in one game) average 22.5 points per game, Beal averages 22 in 34 minutes.

[ThunderBolt]

I think slick said earlier that trading Adams for Beal might make okc better in the future but the loss of Adams could be too much to overcome this year. That seems pretty accurate to me.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Definitely not wait on fegurson or anyone to develop but Okc definitely has enough Sg and talent to do a Sg by committee type deal and see what happens especially if dre is back and healthy and that Shooting coach hes been working with has made improvements.

They are either in win now mode or they are not. If it is all-in then the youth, TPE and future picks need to be moved for players that help now. If they are not going for it and are just trying to make the playoffs then the youth and assets should be preserved for the rebuild when Russ drops off and PG leaves. Yes, PG could stay after this contract to prove he can't lead a team in the West to the playoffs, but I don't expect him to stay in 3 years after Russ has dropped off. Unless you think the development time for Ferguson and Diallo is the next 2 years they don't fit the window with Russ. OKC needs one of Abrines, Ferguson and Diallo to become at least as good as PG in the next 2 years if the goal is another deep playoff run while Russ is still playing here.

[Mattv]

There's a big difference between being able to handle and create for others and actively needing the ball to contribute. Historically speaking, Schröder is the latter while Beal is the former. If there's one thing this team has been looking for in forever, it's spot up shooting from the 3. Beal can do that and then some. And he is actually the kind of player that combines the best of both worlds on offense.

I would love to to have beal dont get me wrong



I thought this was about trading Schröder + x for Beal. Where did that Adams come from? That's a different discussion.

I said a back up center to back up Adams but if beal cage to okc i would think Adam would be the odd man out because Okc will be at the sallery cap with 4 players unless the are just trying to buy low and sell high on beal if they can get him cheap enough.



Their best player just turned 30 and George is approaching that as well. If they plan to contend for a title again while Russ is still in his prime, the time to do so is now. You won't win anything with Ferguson becoming a good NBA starter 3, 4 years down the line. By then it's already too late for this current version of the franchise I fear.

Definitely not wait on fegurson or anyone to develop but Okc definitely has enough Sg and talent to do a Sg by committee type deal and see what happens especially if dre is back and healthy and that Shooting coach hes been working with has made improvements.

Enough talent at sg to do what? You can't replace quality with quantity. For reference every sg currently on the roster combined (as in if they could all somehow fit into the rotation at just sg in one game) average 22.5 points per game, Beal averages 22 in 34 minutes.

Im not comparing beal to anyone we have and would love for him to be at okc. And if you are going to compare beal to any of our Sg u also have to look at touch per game shots per game ect.

[Mattv]

Russ (because Schroder is better), Adams (because Noel is better) and Roberson (because offense wins and defense is for losers) for Love, Sexton, George Hill and Korver. OKC clearly gets deeper and better. Cleveland gets their LeBron replacement, but we know that no one can win with those cats.

I would like to thank getrichordie, sleestak33 and hardenASG2013 for inspiring this trade idea. Without their incredible and amazing posts I would have never thought of such a thing.

If you really think Schroder and noel are better your really need to watch more games. Also ask the rockets does defense not win game especially in the playoffs.

[AirInTheLoop]

Enough talent at sg to do what? You can't replace quality with quantity. For reference every sg currently on the roster combined (as in if they could all somehow fit into the rotation at just sg in one game) average 22.5 points per game, Beal averages 22 in 34 minutes.

Do we need more points?
We just had Westbrook out for a long stretch and only had 2 games where we scored below 100.
I think as long as Roberson comes backs and is normal, we are fine at the 2. I don't even think our 3 shooting is as big of a deal as people are making it out to be.

[Atomic Punk]

Russ (because Schroder is better), Adams (because Noel is better) and Roberson (because offense wins and defense is for losers) for Love, Sexton, George Hill and Korver. OKC clearly gets deeper and better. Cleveland gets their LeBron replacement, but we know that no one can win with those cats.

I would like to thank getrichordie, sleestak33 and hardenASG2013 for inspiring this trade idea. Without their incredible and amazing posts I would have never thought of such a thing.

If you really think Schroder and noel are better your really need to watch more games. Also ask the rockets does defense not win game especially in the playoffs.

I think (hope) he was being sarcastic. Still, it wouldn’t be the most controversial comment he has made on this board if he really means it.