Trades, Transactions and Ideas Thread

[vtime]

I don't think there is anyways that Green, Rubio and Oubre all stay on the team this year. I don't know if we'll move them all but I think we'll try.

Yeah I guess we may trade one of them. Also a remote chance of S&T Gallo but not really confident about it...

I could see us doing a pick swap with Dallas for either Rubio or Green. Delon Wright didn't really work for them like they had hoped. They could use an upgrade at point guard.

Actually Brunson is pretty good and could start for a few teams, he just got hurt last year. They are fine at pg.

[vtime]

this is a good start. i suspect that rubio plays at least this full season, but oubre will certainly be traded before the deadline. as of right now ricky's $17 million is the biggest 21-22 salary on the books, with sga and bazley the only other serious deals (both still on rookie scale).

this mirrors sam presti's tactics during the initial rebuild. however, it's not likely sga or bazley will resemble any of the thunder best stars so we'll see what's done from there. but the table is set for a lot of cap space that season + a war chest of draft assets.

yup.

we now have 17 first round picks through 2026 and I surmise we will only improve our draft capital from here.

oubre jr. should be shipped out at deadline. really scared presti is going to try and turn him into something.

Oubre can be something. For the right price he’d be totally worth building with. Maybe you didn’t see him play much. I wouldn’t go over 20 million unless it was another 2 year deal. If he doesn’t perform, then yeah you can flip him at the deadline.

[ThunderBolt]

this is a good start. i suspect that rubio plays at least this full season, but oubre will certainly be traded before the deadline. as of right now ricky's $17 million is the biggest 21-22 salary on the books, with sga and bazley the only other serious deals (both still on rookie scale).

this mirrors sam presti's tactics during the initial rebuild. however, it's not likely sga or bazley will resemble any of the thunder best stars so we'll see what's done from there. but the table is set for a lot of cap space that season + a war chest of draft assets.

yup.

we now have 17 first round picks through 2026 and I surmise we will only improve our draft capital from here.

oubre jr. should be shipped out at deadline. really scared presti is going to try and turn him into something.

Oubre can be something. For the right price he’d be totally worth building with. Maybe you didn’t see him play much. I wouldn’t go over 20 million unless it was another 2 year deal. If he doesn’t perform, then yeah you can flip him at the deadline.

Oubre turns 25 in less than a month. We don’t even had our core yet aside from shai. We really don’t need a player his age for a few more years.

[jake_swivel]

Do any of Rubio/Oubre/green have restrictions on how soon they can be flipped once the deals are official?

[ThunderBolt]

Do any of Rubio/Oubre/green have restrictions on how soon they can be flipped once the deals are official?

I’m definitely not the CBA expert on here but my understanding their salaries can't be aggregated with that of another player (60 days), but can be traded away alone, or without having to combine the salary to take back a player.

[Dadouv47]

If the Rockets are rebuilding/tanking, is it possible to remove the 2021 pick swap? If yes, what kind of value could we get in return?

[jake_swivel]

If the Rockets are rebuilding/tanking, is it possible to remove the 2021 pick swap? If yes, what kind of value could we get in return?

You’d have to see what they get back after they ship everyone off, but as of right now they literally have nothing I’d want. But yeah, you can adjust protections/swaps as far as I know.

[Dadouv47]

If the Rockets are rebuilding/tanking, is it possible to remove the 2021 pick swap? If yes, what kind of value could we get in return?

You’d have to see what they get back after they ship everyone off, but as of right now they literally have nothing I’d want. But yeah, you can adjust protections/swaps as far as I know.

Agree but if they are rebuilding, we have some pretty good leverage and they wouldn't want to risk a 50/50 chance of losing a high draft pick. Tough to find the right value since they will get the Miami pick if they lose their own.

[jake_swivel]

If the Rockets are rebuilding/tanking, is it possible to remove the 2021 pick swap? If yes, what kind of value could we get in return?

You’d have to see what they get back after they ship everyone off, but as of right now they literally have nothing I’d want. But yeah, you can adjust protections/swaps as far as I know.

Agree but if they are rebuilding, we have some pretty good leverage and they wouldn't want to risk a 50/50 chance of losing a high draft pick. Tough to find the right value since they will get the Miami pick if they lose their own.

They’re gonna get stuck getting basically nothing back of value from Russ. Even rosier/batum doesn’t make sense for them anymore with harden going. They have the picks from Portland now, and whatever they get from harden. I feel like the only things they’d get back on that trade that would be interesting would be exactly what they wouldn’t want to trade.

[Dadouv47]

You’d have to see what they get back after they ship everyone off, but as of right now they literally have nothing I’d want. But yeah, you can adjust protections/swaps as far as I know.

Agree but if they are rebuilding, we have some pretty good leverage and they wouldn't want to risk a 50/50 chance of losing a high draft pick. Tough to find the right value since they will get the Miami pick if they lose their own.

They’re gonna get stuck getting basically nothing back of value from Russ. Even rosier/batum doesn’t make sense for them anymore with harden going. They have the picks from Portland now, and whatever they get from harden. I feel like the only things they’d get back on that trade that would be interesting would be exactly what they wouldn’t want to trade.

Well they will get a lot of for Harden (and something for Tucker). The 2021 pick swap is worth something but not THAT much...

[ThunderBolt]

Agree but if they are rebuilding, we have some pretty good leverage and they wouldn't want to risk a 50/50 chance of losing a high draft pick. Tough to find the right value since they will get the Miami pick if they lose their own.

They’re gonna get stuck getting basically nothing back of value from Russ. Even rosier/batum doesn’t make sense for them anymore with harden going. They have the picks from Portland now, and whatever they get from harden. I feel like the only things they’d get back on that trade that would be interesting would be exactly what they wouldn’t want to trade.

Well they will get a lot of for Harden (and something for Tucker). The 2021 pick swap is worth something but not THAT much...

I don’t see any trade where Houston gets fair value for harden. The nets trade would be horrible. Simmons is best case scenario but the roster still will take a step back with him at the helm.

[Dadouv47]

They’re gonna get stuck getting basically nothing back of value from Russ. Even rosier/batum doesn’t make sense for them anymore with harden going. They have the picks from Portland now, and whatever they get from harden. I feel like the only things they’d get back on that trade that would be interesting would be exactly what they wouldn’t want to trade.

Well they will get a lot of for Harden (and something for Tucker). The 2021 pick swap is worth something but not THAT much...

I don’t see any trade where Houston gets fair value for harden. The nets trade would be horrible. Simmons is best case scenario but the roster still will take a step back with him at the helm.

I was talking about a fair trade to get the pick swap removed.

No idea about Harden. But I think Harden is doing Houston a favor by asking for a trade.

[jake_swivel]

Not much of a favor if he only has one or two acceptable teams and can’t get decent value.

[ThunderBolt]

Tillman seems petty enough to get a worse return to spite morey.

[jake_swivel]

Now Tillman is a dude who got crushed financially in the crash. Restaurants and Casinos got pounded. And will continue to get pounded. Possibly to oblivion in a lot of cases.

[Dadouv47]

Not much of a favor if he only has one or two acceptable teams and can’t get decent value.

Well he planned to offer Harden 50 millions/year so that's already a Win that Harden refused.

No idea what will be the package but it should be way more than what the Pels got for Jrue Holiday, which is already better than 2-3 years with no shot at winning.

[Dadouv47]

Not much of a favor if he only has one or two acceptable teams and can’t get decent value.

Well he planned to offer Harden 50 millions/year so that's already a Win that Harden refused.

No idea what will be the package but it should be way more than what the Pels got for Jrue Holiday, which is already better than 2-3 years with no shot at winning.

[Balkman32]

If the Rockets are rebuilding/tanking, is it possible to remove the 2021 pick swap? If yes, what kind of value could we get in return?

Why would we do that? The Thunder have the potential to have two lottery picks next year if both the Thunder and Rockets miss the playoffs.

[Balkman32]

What should the Thunder offer for a Harden & Westbrook return trip to OKC?

Rubio, Oubre, Green, Olynky (from a Gallo S&T), the '25 pick swap back and '26 Rockets top 4 Protected FRP for Harden and Westbrook?

[Dadouv47]

If the Rockets are rebuilding/tanking, is it possible to remove the 2021 pick swap? If yes, what kind of value could we get in return?

Why would we do that? The Thunder have the potential to have two lottery picks next year if both the Thunder and Rockets miss the playoffs.

because the pick swap in top 4 protected. IF they are rebuilding, it's a win/win to get the pick removed if they pay us enough (it's a terrible situation for Houston to try a flip for a high lottery pick and I prefer some assets instead of a flip).