Trades, Transactions and Ideas Thread

[Dadouv47]

What should the Thunder offer for a Harden & Westbrook return trip to OKC?

Rubio, Oubre, Green, Olynky (from a Gallo S&T), the '25 pick swap back and '26 Rockets top 4 Protected FRP for Harden and Westbrook?

Will need more. Starting with giving back the picks and removing pick swaps. Not sure they would do it if we don't include SGA and I don't want that.

[jake_swivel]

If the Rockets are rebuilding/tanking, is it possible to remove the 2021 pick swap? If yes, what kind of value could we get in return?

Why would we do that? The Thunder have the potential to have two lottery picks next year if both the Thunder and Rockets miss the playoffs.

because the pick swap in top 4 protected. IF they are rebuilding, it's a win/win to get the pick removed if they pay us enough (it's a terrible situation for Houston to try a flip for a high lottery pick and I prefer some assets instead of a flip).

I think the thunder already have a ton of smaller assets which is the kind of return you’d get in that sort of deal. Like non-lotto picks from Brooklyn or something. OKC needs as many shots as possible at getting picks in the 5-10 range, in my opinion.

[Balkman32]

Why would we do that? The Thunder have the potential to have two lottery picks next year if both the Thunder and Rockets miss the playoffs.

because the pick swap in top 4 protected. IF they are rebuilding, it's a win/win to get the pick removed if they pay us enough (it's a terrible situation for Houston to try a flip for a high lottery pick and I prefer some assets instead of a flip).

I think the thunder already have a ton of smaller assets which is the kind of return you’d get in that sort of deal. Like non-lotto picks from Brooklyn or something. OKC needs as many shots as possible at getting picks in the 5-10 range, in my opinion.

I just think this pick is a lottery pick next year especially since it looks like Harden is on his way out. What would they have to pay you to remove the swap. I think the Thunder just let it ride. They could get a pick anywhere between 5-25.

[ThunderBolt]

What should the Thunder offer for a Harden & Westbrook return trip to OKC?

Rubio, Oubre, Green, Olynky (from a Gallo S&T), the '25 pick swap back and '26 Rockets top 4 Protected FRP for Harden and Westbrook?

Not interested.

[Balkman32]

What should the Thunder offer for a Harden & Westbrook return trip to OKC?

Rubio, Oubre, Green, Olynky (from a Gallo S&T), the '25 pick swap back and '26 Rockets top 4 Protected FRP for Harden and Westbrook?

Not interested.

What if they traded Russ and their 2022 FRP unprotected for Rubio, Green & Burton?

[ThunderBolt]

What should the Thunder offer for a Harden & Westbrook return trip to OKC?

Rubio, Oubre, Green, Olynky (from a Gallo S&T), the '25 pick swap back and '26 Rockets top 4 Protected FRP for Harden and Westbrook?

Not interested.

What if they traded Russ and their 2022 FRP unprotected for Rubio, Green & Burton?

Nope. No point in kicking the rebuild can down the road. Russ wants to be the focal point of the offense. He’s made that clear.

[mr570]

If the Rockets are rebuilding/tanking, is it possible to remove the 2021 pick swap? If yes, what kind of value could we get in return?

Why would we do that? The Thunder have the potential to have two lottery picks next year if both the Thunder and Rockets miss the playoffs.

because the pick swap in top 4 protected. IF they are rebuilding, it's a win/win to get the pick removed if they pay us enough (it's a terrible situation for Houston to try a flip for a high lottery pick and I prefer some assets instead of a flip).

The lottery doesn't work this way anymore. There's only a little over a 52 percent chance Houston would stay in the top 4 even with the worst or second-worst record in the league. The chance at a top 10 pick instead of top 4 is so high.

[Balkman32]

Why would we do that? The Thunder have the potential to have two lottery picks next year if both the Thunder and Rockets miss the playoffs.

because the pick swap in top 4 protected. IF they are rebuilding, it's a win/win to get the pick removed if they pay us enough (it's a terrible situation for Houston to try a flip for a high lottery pick and I prefer some assets instead of a flip).

The lottery doesn't work this way anymore. There's only a little over a 52 percent chance Houston would stay in the top 4 even with the worst or second-worst record in the league. The chance at a top 10 pick instead of top 4 is so high.

These two picks could lead the way to Cunningham.

[mr570]

because the pick swap in top 4 protected. IF they are rebuilding, it's a win/win to get the pick removed if they pay us enough (it's a terrible situation for Houston to try a flip for a high lottery pick and I prefer some assets instead of a flip).

The lottery doesn't work this way anymore. There's only a little over a 52 percent chance Houston would stay in the top 4 even with the worst or second-worst record in the league. The chance at a top 10 pick instead of top 4 is so high.

These two picks could lead the way to Cunningham.

Yeah exactly. So I don't understand why we would do anything with those picks.

[Dadouv47]

The lottery doesn't work this way anymore. There's only a little over a 52 percent chance Houston would stay in the top 4 even with the worst or second-worst record in the league. The chance at a top 10 pick instead of top 4 is so high.

These two picks could lead the way to Cunningham.

Yeah exactly. So I don't understand why we would do anything with those picks.

Okay so 52% to get the +/-28th pick from Miami and 48% to get a 5-15 from Houston. I don't see why we wouldn't want to discuss with Houston about a coin flip possibility. We have leverage (if pick ends up being 5-10 they are screwed) so they could send us something pretty good.

I just prefer taking advantage of our better situation over luck. Pure and simple. But it all depends on what Houston is willing to give up to get the pick swap removed.

[Balkman32]

Sure it could happen. I think it would be more likely that we renegotiate with the Heat (or just take their '27 first) in a S&T for Gallo than renegotiate with the Rockets, but we have seen weirder things. What does Houston have to entice the Thunder though?

The only asset I see other than Harden & Westbrook (asset in my heart) is that 2022 FRP. I doubt we get that so I think we roll the dice and hope we get the picks to get Cunningham. If we end up with just Cunningham out of these 2 drafts in 9 months, it is a huge Win and you can consider the Thunder re-tooled in 2 years. With @ Max cap spaces and Young Gems in SGA and Cunningham with secondary pieces of Dort, Bazley, and who ever else pans out over this development season.

[Woerzboerg]

These two picks could lead the way to Cunningham.

Yeah exactly. So I don't understand why we would do anything with those picks.

Okay so 52% to get the +/-28th pick from Miami and 48% to get a 5-15 from Houston. I don't see why we wouldn't want to discuss with Houston about a coin flip possibility. We have leverage (if pick ends up being 5-10 they are screwed) so they could send us something pretty good.

I just prefer taking advantage of our better situation over luck. Pure and simple. But it all depends on what Houston is willing to give up to get the pick swap removed.

Tbh I can't see Houston being the worst or second worst seed. In the west, we will be very bad, too, and in the east some teams (e.g. Cleveland or Detroit) will be even worse. So I think even if the Rockets tear it down completely, they will end up as like 3rd to 5th worst seed corresponding with a relatively low percentage for a top 4 pick.

[spearsy23]

The lottery doesn't work this way anymore. There's only a little over a 52 percent chance Houston would stay in the top 4 even with the worst or second-worst record in the league. The chance at a top 10 pick instead of top 4 is so high.

These two picks could lead the way to Cunningham.

Yeah exactly. So I don't understand why we would do anything with those picks.

A year ago people would've been talking the same way about Cole Anthony.

[ThunderBolt]

These two picks could lead the way to Cunningham.

Yeah exactly. So I don't understand why we would do anything with those picks.

A year ago people would've been talking the same way about Cole Anthony.

I think the appeal with Cunningham is that he chose a small Oklahoma town to play for and stuck with his commitment after they were banned from postseason play. If he’s as good as advertised, he just seems like a guy who would be content in okc.

[Sea2003]

Keep in mind that if both HOU trades Harden, we could end up with another lottery pick in a stacked draft.

[DaVoiceMaster]

Blazers fan here. Just wondering if there is a S&T to be had involving Whiteside for Gallo. Whiteside's salary would be lower than Gallo (I'm thinking $12 million for Whiteside with team options for the 2nd & 3rd years so it's essentially a 1 year deal and $15 million for Gallo. Clearly that alone does not get it done. What else could the Blazers do to get that sort of deal done? I'm thinking the Blazers could include the max amount of cash to help offset Whitesides salary (I wanna say the max is around $5.5 million). If OKC decides to rebuild or go young, would Simon's or Little be enough incentive? With the Covington trade, the Blazers do not have a pick until 2023. Is there any deal to be had? Thanks!

[Dadouv47]

Blazers fan here. Just wondering if there is a S&T to be had involving Whiteside for Gallo. Whiteside's salary would be lower than Gallo (I'm thinking $12 million for Whiteside with team options for the 2nd & 3rd years so it's essentially a 1 year deal and $15 million for Gallo. Clearly that alone does not get it done. What else could the Blazers do to get that sort of deal done? I'm thinking the Blazers could include the max amount of cash to help offset Whitesides salary (I wanna say the max is around $5.5 million). If OKC decides to rebuild or go young, would Simon's or Little be enough incentive? With the Covington trade, the Blazers do not have a pick until 2023. Is there any deal to be had? Thanks!

I'm IN for any kind of Gallo S&T but I think this one is pretty unlikely. Don't think we are trading Adams so probably no interest in Whiteside (who probably won't agree to a team option for 2nd & 3rd year if he knows he will be a back up)

[DaVoiceMaster]

Blazers fan here. Just wondering if there is a S&T to be had involving Whiteside for Gallo. Whiteside's salary would be lower than Gallo (I'm thinking $12 million for Whiteside with team options for the 2nd & 3rd years so it's essentially a 1 year deal and $15 million for Gallo. Clearly that alone does not get it done. What else could the Blazers do to get that sort of deal done? I'm thinking the Blazers could include the max amount of cash to help offset Whitesides salary (I wanna say the max is around $5.5 million). If OKC decides to rebuild or go young, would Simon's or Little be enough incentive? With the Covington trade, the Blazers do not have a pick until 2023. Is there any deal to be had? Thanks!

I'm IN for any kind of Gallo S&T but I think this one is pretty unlikely. Don't think we are trading Adams so probably no interest in Whiteside (who probably won't agree to a team option for 2nd & 3rd year if he knows he will be a back up)

Yeah, I cant imagine OKC would find any takers for Adam's contract so Whiteside would probably need to be flipped elsewhere if possible. Not sure there is a market for Whiteside so he should be happy getting an extra $12 million. He's a backup if he stays in Portland. He's gotta face the future! Hahaha

What do you think Gallo will get for a new contract? I would think he'll command more than the MLE.

[Dadouv47]

Blazers fan here. Just wondering if there is a S&T to be had involving Whiteside for Gallo. Whiteside's salary would be lower than Gallo (I'm thinking $12 million for Whiteside with team options for the 2nd & 3rd years so it's essentially a 1 year deal and $15 million for Gallo. Clearly that alone does not get it done. What else could the Blazers do to get that sort of deal done? I'm thinking the Blazers could include the max amount of cash to help offset Whitesides salary (I wanna say the max is around $5.5 million). If OKC decides to rebuild or go young, would Simon's or Little be enough incentive? With the Covington trade, the Blazers do not have a pick until 2023. Is there any deal to be had? Thanks!

I'm IN for any kind of Gallo S&T but I think this one is pretty unlikely. Don't think we are trading Adams so probably no interest in Whiteside (who probably won't agree to a team option for 2nd & 3rd year if he knows he will be a back up)

Yeah, I cant imagine OKC would find any takers for Adam's contract so Whiteside would probably need to be flipped elsewhere if possible. Not sure there is a market for Whiteside so he should be happy getting an extra $12 million. He's a backup if he stays in Portland. He's gotta face the future! Hahaha

What do you think Gallo will get for a new contract? I would think he'll command more than the MLE.

I would say something like 3 years/45 millions but not sure. He said he wants to play for a title so maybe he's willing to take less money

[ThunderBolt]

It’s a shame hood opted out. There might have been some potential there for a trade.

I like Simons more than a lot of people but I’m not sure he’s enough to take back whiteside’s salary.