bondom34 wrote:bbms wrote:ThunderBolt wrote:That would be a dream. Hollinger had him as the fourth best prospect in the athletic. I've not seen him that high in a lot of places but I think he goes before then. Maybe pair 16&18 and move up if he's still there around 12-14?
I bet he won't last that long.
bondom34 wrote:From all I've seen Sengun looks like a pretty slow footed defender as a big man. Not sure he's a guy I'd be in love with given where the NBA is right now.
I agree that his footwork is really bad, but I don't think it's lack of quickness, it's lack of technique, which is coachable. The only uncoachable aspect of his defense is his length.
His combination of blocking, steals, assist, FT% and overall production as an 18-year old against top-level pro-league is something that has never busted in the NBA, it would be a first time. If he didn't have those defensive flaws he'd be contesting Cade.
All I've read seems its a lot of speed/athleticism too. And at the same time, the NBA is basically played entirely differently. If you don't have both the technique and speed, you're in rough shape, even from Hollinger's "Kevin Love" analysis that's not a player who really fits the current NBA (and speaks to athleticism). To top that off, drafting a big man who's not in the AD/Jokic/Embiid caliber of player is a really challenging way to build a team, and unless a big is at that level its really not a guy you can build around. Further comps I've seen are Sabonis, Vuc, Kanter, etc.
I'd look toward a guy like Garuba as a bigger guy at 16/18, but between using a high pick on a big and it being a guy who projects to not really fit where the NBA is going in terms of post centric offense and questionable perimeter defense doesn't feel right.
That'd be one pick I'd be pretty firmly against for them.
Garuba's case is really curious. I rate him really close to Scottie Barnes, the thing that really separates them is Scottie Barnes playmaking, but defensively the upside is similar. I don't think he'll be available at 16, but the Thunder have the kind of pick flexibility to flex our 16th pick o 12th and pick Garuba.
Scottie Barnes + Isaiah Jackson/Kai Jones/Flip Petrusev
Vs
Alperen Sengun + Usman Garuba?
I'd take the second one in a heartbeat.
Best2EverDoIt wrote:I think we end up making a deal with Houston honestly. They are a horrible team with no real future and they could use some of the assets we have to offer. We literally have 30+ picks we can deal. And good young players like Baze and (god forbid) Dort.
There are hot reports that indicate that there's a deal on the table with the Cavs, involving Kemba, 6th and 3rd.
retrobro90 wrote:Sengun would be my 2nd choice at 6 after Barnes and assuming Kuminga is gone. I think the Love comps are imperfect esp with how Love is viewed currently as a malcontent on a crappy Cavs team and it undersells Sengun just a bit as a run/jump athlete. The volume/percentage isn't there from 3 but he's very confident with his shot and is willing to shoot step backs. Love was/is an excellent outlet passer but I think Sengun is going to have enough juice as a playmaker to be a real offensive hub out of delay/post up/dho.
Agreed on Sengun. Plays much faster and is more dynamic and explosive with the ball in his hands than given credit for, even in transition. He's also crafty as a passer. Finish through contact, draws fouls, converts them at a high rate. A certain mean streak. I don't think he's unathletic as people say. He has a lot of functional strength to his game and underrated leaper. There are three players in this draft that I see as potential first offensive options: Cade Cunningham, Jalen Green and Alperen Sengun
