2019-20 OKC Thunder Regular Season Thread

[Dadouv47]

Can't wait for us to lose our FRP + first round exit

[getrichordie]

Assuming we are picking 25th and 51st, I’d happily take Joel Ayayi at 25 and I’d try to find a way to move up in the 2nd round and target a guy like Scottie Lewis or Xavier Tillman.

[Galloisdaman]

Can't wait for us to lose our FRP + first round exit

I totally understand wanting another draft pick but as strongly as you feel about it it seems like a #1 overall with Shaq coming out not a #21 which OKC has drafted a few of. OKC has more draft picks than anyone. More is better but this pick at #21 is not likely to determine the next 10 years so stop beating your head against that wall for the team playing to win.

[Old Man Game]

Not basketball related but I just have to say something.

My gosh, I can't believe everything that's happening in this world. How is it possible that this could be? We need to make major, MAJOR investments into vaccine development and anti-viral drugs. I know that's probably easier said than done but we have to at least try. Can't leave this up to the private sector plus table scraps from government. This is threatening to kill hundreds of thousands (if not millions) and cost the economy trillions of dollars. Moving forward they need to approach vaccine development like the space program. Recruit the best minds in the world. Pay them well. Make them celebrities and national heroes.

[getrichordie]

I’m getting sick of this Coronavirus situation. It’s not going to kill 100s of thousands of people. That’s ridiculous. Each time the virus passes, it mutates and gets weaker and if you account for the relatively extenuating circumstances surrounding China and Italy and their respective numbers, it’s not so shocking and the projected numbers become less scary.

[Dadouv47]

I’m getting sick of this Coronavirus situation. It’s not going to kill 100s of thousands of people. That’s ridiculous. Each time the virus passes, it mutates and gets weaker and if you account for the relatively extenuating circumstances surrounding China and Italy and their respective numbers, it’s not so shocking and the projected numbers become less scary.

I'm getting sick of stupid people

[getrichordie]

I’m getting sick of this Coronavirus situation. It’s not going to kill 100s of thousands of people. That’s ridiculous. Each time the virus passes, it mutates and gets weaker and if you account for the relatively extenuating circumstances surrounding China and Italy and their respective numbers, it’s not so shocking and the projected numbers become less scary.

I'm getting sick of stupid people

How is it stupid to think that? What evidence is there that it is going to kill that many people? Do you study this stuff? Because I do. I have talked to reputable sources within Homeland Security and the Center of Domestic Preparedness. I have discussed this at length with individuals who hold doctorates in the field of Infectious Diseases. I have studied bioterrorism and biosecurity at length. I'm not trying to sound like I'm on a high horse, but it is clear to me that the vast majority of people are giving in to the panic and fear being spread throughout mainstream media.

Take some time to consider the math on the spread of this virus. It isn't going to be as globally fatal as you think. It's certainly not going to surpass the Flu in terms of the number of deaths worldwide. Any reasonable scientist or expert who isn't trying to scare people into washing their hands will tell you the same thing. Most people don't even consider the fact that most of these "experts" coming out on the media have a certain job to do. That job is to scare the living the **** out of you so as to slow the spread of the virus and so far it has worked and will continue to work.

So many people are treating this as if it's a zombie outbreak or something. Everyone just needs to relax. Just a little, at least.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Take some time to consider the math on the spread of this virus. It isn't going to be as globally fatal as you think. It's certainly not going to surpass the Flu in terms of the number of deaths worldwide.

I'll disagree with you on this. It is already over 7K dead and has only infected 180K and there are more active cases then closed and it is spreading fast. It will hit about 70% of the population and end up killing 5-7% of the,. It really hasn't even gotten started yet. It will be worse then the Spanish Flu was. That doesn't mean the response of some people isn't insane. People loading up on meat when they are very unlikely to have a freezer to store it in is just stupid. People with a deep freezer tend to keep it full by loading up when things are on sale not by loading up during high demand times.

I did my "prepping" when Italy told everyone to stay indoors. I got a single case of water just in case there some fluke water issue for a day. I bought some of rice, some canned beans and some protein bars and threw them in a closet with the water. If I have to stay inside for four weeks then I'm covered. In reality the supply chain, for food, will not be disrupted. In a worse case scenario half the truckers go down with the flu for a week at the same time and the 50% still working stop moving TVs, toys, furniture, computers, cell phones, cars, etc. and all move food. You might not have the selection you want and you might have to go an extra 5 miles to a grocery store because of some stores closing to make it faster to get food on the shelf if there are less deliveries keeping drive times lower and letting the stores being able to staff less stores because of the number of people out sick so by sending 2-4 stores worth of people to one location it keeps things getting stocked at a reasonable rate.

There isn't a supply shortage. The shelves are empty because of senseless overbuying. Trucks are still arriving like they were a month ago. I'm going out to do my weekly grocery shopping this morning. I'll do it in the morning because I know when the store I go to gets their meat and produce and how long it takes them to stock it. I'm sure they won't have everything I want, but that happens on occasion without people acting like mindless morons. I should get there before the idiots senselessly overbuy everything and I might buy an extra day or two worth of food. I won't be trying to stuff my freezer or get stuff I wouldn't normally get. If anyone can figure out why you would need a year supply of toilet paper for a respiratory infection please let me know. If it gets that bad where you are trying to hide inside for a year then toilet paper isn't your problem it is the gangs that will be coming for your supplies.

[getrichordie]

Take some time to consider the math on the spread of this virus. It isn't going to be as globally fatal as you think. It's certainly not going to surpass the Flu in terms of the number of deaths worldwide.

I'll disagree with you on this. It is already over 7K dead and has only infected 180K and there are more active cases then closed and it is spreading fast. It will hit about 70% of the population and end up killing 5-7% of the,. It really hasn't even gotten started yet. It will be worse then the Spanish Flu was. That doesn't mean the response of some people isn't insane. People loading up on meat when they are very unlikely to have a freezer to store it in is just stupid. People with a deep freezer tend to keep it full by loading up when things are on sale not by loading up during high demand times.

I did my "prepping" when Italy told everyone to stay indoors. I got a single case of water just in case there some fluke water issue for a day. I bought some of rice, some canned beans and some protein bars and threw them in a closet with the water. If I have to stay inside for four weeks then I'm covered. In reality the supply chain, for food, will not be disrupted. In a worse case scenario half the truckers go down with the flu for a week at the same time and the 50% still working stop moving TVs, toys, furniture, computers, cell phones, cars, etc. and all move food. You might not have the selection you want and you might have to go an extra 5 miles to a grocery store because of some stores closing to make it faster to get food on the shelf if there are less deliveries keeping drive times lower and letting the stores being able to staff less stores because of the number of people out sick so by sending 2-4 stores worth of people to one location it keeps things getting stocked at a reasonable rate.

There isn't a supply shortage. The shelves are empty because of senseless overbuying. Trucks are still arriving like they were a month ago. I'm going out to do my weekly grocery shopping this morning. I'll do it in the morning because I know when the store I go to gets their meat and produce and how long it takes them to stock it. I'm sure they won't have everything I want, but that happens on occasion without people acting like mindless morons. I should get there before the idiots senselessly overbuy everything and I might buy an extra day or two worth of food. I won't be trying to stuff my freezer or get stuff I wouldn't normally get. If anyone can figure out why you would need a year supply of toilet paper for a respiratory infection please let me know. If it gets that bad where you are trying to hide inside for a year then toilet paper isn't your problem it is the gangs that will be coming for your supplies.

Where are you getting your numbers from? Are you saying that it is going to kill 5-7% of the affected population which you say is going to be about 70% of the world?

Initial estimates were very generous towards the mortality rates and spread of this virus. If you isolate the incidents in Italy and China, and just look at what is going in the rest of the world, you will see that the mortality rate just simply isn’t sustainable.

Now, I’m not saying it’s not going to overload our healthcare system and it’s not going to disrupt day-to-day society, but calling it worse than the Spanish Flu is, in my mind, overkill according to my research and knowledge of this virus and according to what I’m hearing from my contacts in HS and CDP and the people I have spoken with with specialize in this area.

[Galloisdaman]

Nobody knows how many people will die but panic does not solve anything. Logic helps. Look at facts. Do not overreact or under react. People panic over the fear of the unknown. That is understandable. I'm still way more concerned about dying in a car than by this bug. We lose around 4000 people a day (1.5 million a year) in car accidents but it is not an unknown so you do not see the panic.

[getrichordie]

Some numbers on Mr. Nader:

Shooting #s by zone...

Zone / Attempts / FG%
...Left Corner 3 / 20 / 35%
...Right Corner 3 / 50%
...Above The Break 3 / 71 / 35.2%
...Restricted Area / 70 / 67.1%
...Paint (Non-RA) / 32 / 31.3%

Defended Field Goal Percentage Differential:
...-3.3% (Good for 4th on team behind Dort, Burton, and Diallo)

Averaging 1.2 steals and 1.2 blocks per 100.
Averaging 2.2 assists and 2.2 turnovers per 100.

[jambalaya]

He is lousy with the starters as a TFerg sub. Better as the Galinari replacement / PF. But not a single Nader lineup was tested over about 40 seconds per game for season. So it remains guesswork. At pair level, team does best with him when with Paul. No surprise there. Mostly bad with the bigger forwards. Ok with T Ferg. 82games suggests he wins his matchup at PF. Team just breaks even but that is ok for bench. Much worse results at SF, in part because that means it isn't a 3 PG lineup.

He likely gets more minutes next season. Playing him at SF, especially with Bazley, would appear to me to be a seriously brain dead choice and show an utter lack of concern for this season's data. But it might happen.

Playing with Schroder or Schroder & Paul and other starters generally looks good to great. Playing with SGA is not essential. He isn't going to help save a bench / young guy heavy dink lineup. He isn't "glue". He is more foam insulation.


Probably gets offered chance to stay if he accepts role, pay. I dunno if he wants to or ultimately will. Depends if he has a more attractive option.

Mildly positive RPM estimate. Bad on Luck-adjusted RAPM though because of apparent negative on team shooting and turnovers. His shooting has improved and his turnover rate is not terrible but he may make it harder on teammates on average on the possessions he does not use directly.

[slick_watts]

Now, I’m not saying it’s not going to overload our healthcare system and it’s not going to disrupt day-to-day society, but calling it worse than the Spanish Flu is, in my mind, overkill according to my research and knowledge

please, to anyone reading, don't take this person's "research and knowledge" seriously. listen to people like dr. anthony fauci, who recently stated that the disease could kill 100k+ people in the u.s. and whose expertise is regarded as such that he's been able to steer the decision making of the most flippant, impatient world leader in mostly the right direction of late.

[getrichordie]

Now, I’m not saying it’s not going to overload our healthcare system and it’s not going to disrupt day-to-day society, but calling it worse than the Spanish Flu is, in my mind, overkill according to my research and knowledge

please, to anyone reading, don't take this person's "research and knowledge" seriously. listen to people like dr. anthony fauci, who recently stated that the disease could kill 100k+ people in the u.s. and whose expertise is regarded as such that he's been able to steer the decision making of the most flippant, impatient world leader in mostly the right direction of late.

Although there isn't enough evidence to support that this is going to be worse than the Spanish Flu, I agree with slick here. Don't take me as seriously as Fauci or other leading infectious disease experts. I think that goes without saying.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Although there isn't enough evidence to support that this is going to be worse than the Spanish Flu, I agree with slick here. Don't take me as seriously as Fauci or other leading infectious disease experts. I think that goes without saying.

Which of Fauci's lies should I believe? That 2.5M will die or that less then 200K will die? He has said both in the last 5 days. Fauci is trying to keep people calm by giving fake numbers. Initial CDC estimate was that 2.9M Americans would die and this has been significantly worse, as far as mortality rate, then those estimates were expecting. The government, including Fauci, is trying to keep people calm. They are also expecting those that can do the math on this to be quiet and get ready for what is coming because that is in our best interests. It is NOT in my best interest to tell people the truth and what the extrapolation algorithms say is going to happen.

All I'm going to say is watch Italy. If you can understand why things are deteriorating there you will know when to expect it here. I have my clock set and I hope it is wrong. However, I'll be prepared for this to continue to evolve and maintain what it has been doing. Do what is best for you and your family. The stimulus package will keep the masses fed for April. They better get another ready to for May over the next two weeks.

[getrichordie]

Although there isn't enough evidence to support that this is going to be worse than the Spanish Flu, I agree with slick here. Don't take me as seriously as Fauci or other leading infectious disease experts. I think that goes without saying.

Which of Fauci's lies should I believe? That 2.5M will die or that less then 200K will die? He has said both in the last 5 days. Fauci is trying to keep people calm by giving fake numbers. Initial CDC estimate was that 2.9M Americans would die and this has been significantly worse, as far as mortality rate, then those estimates were expecting. The government, including Fauci, is trying to keep people calm. They are also expecting those that can do the math on this to be quiet and get ready for what is coming because that is in our best interests. It is NOT in my best interest to tell people the truth and what the extrapolation algorithms say is going to happen.

All I'm going to say is watch Italy. If you can understand why things are deteriorating there you will know when to expect it here. I have my clock set and I hope it is wrong. However, I'll be prepared for this to continue to evolve and maintain what it has been doing. Do what is best for you and your family. The stimulus package will keep the masses fed for April. They better get another ready to for May over the next two weeks.

You are dead on about Fauci trying to keep people calm. That’s pretty much the job of a lot of “leading infectious disease experts” and some have said so themselves on air. Just look at the guy that came on Joe Rogan’s podcast for example.

It wouldn’t surprise me if a lot of what is being peddled in the media is due to insider trading and generally just getting wealthy via stocks.

[Galloisdaman]

Although there isn't enough evidence to support that this is going to be worse than the Spanish Flu, I agree with slick here. Don't take me as seriously as Fauci or other leading infectious disease experts. I think that goes without saying.

Which of Fauci's lies should I believe? That 2.5M will die or that less then 200K will die? He has said both in the last 5 days. Fauci is trying to keep people calm by giving fake numbers. Initial CDC estimate was that 2.9M Americans would die and this has been significantly worse, as far as mortality rate, then those estimates were expecting. The government, including Fauci, is trying to keep people calm. They are also expecting those that can do the math on this to be quiet and get ready for what is coming because that is in our best interests. It is NOT in my best interest to tell people the truth and what the extrapolation algorithms say is going to happen.

All I'm going to say is watch Italy. If you can understand why things are deteriorating there you will know when to expect it here. I have my clock set and I hope it is wrong. However, I'll be prepared for this to continue to evolve and maintain what it has been doing. Do what is best for you and your family. The stimulus package will keep the masses fed for April. They better get another ready to for May over the next two weeks.

2.5 mill American deaths? Please post a link. I have not seen him say that anywhere. Why isnt that all over the news? I saw him say 100-200k Americans was possible as a worse case scenario on the models.

[Kizz Fastfists]

2.5 mill American deaths? Please post a link. I have not seen him say that anywhere. Why isnt that all over the news? I saw him say 100-200k Americans was possible as a worse case scenario on the models.

He never actually said the number. All "experts" have said 40-70% infection rate with a 2% mortality rate. Fauchi has said that repeatedly. 327M x 40% = 229M X 2% = 2.6M deaths. That is the CONSERVATIVE estimate of deaths. "Early in March, for example, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said that "if you just do the math, the math is about 2%." They gave the 100-200K number to get people ready for the next 2-3 weeks. It is about to get really bad. The US will hit 5K deaths a day by next weekend.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/health/coronavirus-lower-death-rate/index.html

[Galloisdaman]

2.5 mill American deaths? Please post a link. I have not seen him say that anywhere. Why isnt that all over the news? I saw him say 100-200k Americans was possible as a worse case scenario on the models.

He never actually said the number. All "experts" have said 40-70% infection rate with a 2% mortality rate. Fauchi has said that repeatedly. 327M x 40% = 229M X 2% = 2.6M deaths. That is the CONSERVATIVE estimate of deaths. "Early in March, for example, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said that "if you just do the math, the math is about 2%." They gave the 100-200K number to get people ready for the next 2-3 weeks. It is about to get really bad. The US will hit 5K deaths a day by next weekend.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/health/coronavirus-lower-death-rate/index.html

You are saying things but your links do not match up. Please show me where Fauchi said 2.5 million American deaths. Not all experts have said that. Please show me 10 experts (not all) that have called for 2.5 million Americans dead. Not you doing what you think the math should be.

[Kizz Fastfists]

You are saying things but your links do not match up. Please show me where Fauchi said 2.5 million American deaths. Not all experts have said that. Please show me 10 experts (not all) that have called for 2.5 million Americans dead. Not you doing what you think the math should be.

No one is saying the number on TV. They are all giving percentages because the education system in America has been systematically destroyed so the masses are incapable of understanding what they are being told if it isn't simple enough for a toddler to understand. You can find the percentages all over the place.

"Between 160 million and 214 million people in the United States could be infected over the course of the epidemic, according to a projection that encompasses the range of the four scenarios. That could last months or even over a year, with infections concentrated in shorter periods, staggered across time in different communities, experts said. As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/us/coronavirus-deaths-estimate.html

"A report published March 13 in the journal Emerging Infectious Diseases adjusted for the potential time delay between hospitalization and death among cases in China. The authors estimated that, as of Feb. 11, the death rate from COVID-19 was as high as 12% in Wuhan, 4% in Hubei Province and 0.9% in the rest of China."

https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html

Before China started cooking the numbers to stop people from realizing how serious it was and that they needed to prepare the death rate reported was 12%. Then as it spread they lied about numbers and continue to. They are running cremations around the clock, but only reporting 5-10 deaths a day. If it is still in the 12% range then around the clock cremations make sense. If their deaths are back to normal it doesn't.

If you are incapable of understanding data then this will go over your head. If you actually understand the reality of this situation then you can put the numbers together. You can run your own extrapolation algorithm based on the data points and you'll know what is coming. I did my algorithms in January and as scary as they were they seem to have been optimistic as I didn't have us getting to this rate of infection and death for another 10 days or so. It is spreading faster then expected despite the attempts to slow it. We need to just tell everyone to return to normal and get it over with. All we are doing is delaying the inevitable.