OKC Thunder 2022-23 Regular Season Discussion

jake_swivel · Post #721 » by **jake_swivel** » Wed Jan 11, 2023 2:15 am

ThunderBolt wrote:It would have been nice to look like a somewhat competent up and coming team since we are on national tv but I guess tonight isnt our night.

A win will suffice.

jake_swivel · Post #722 » by **jake_swivel** » Wed Jan 11, 2023 2:16 am

ThunderBolt wrote:Honestly, I just want to draft his replacement this year. He’s not the only weakness we have but he’s one of the most likable personalities and stories ever but he drives me crazy when I watch him.

I think Jalen is his replacement.

Post #723 » by **ThunderBolt** » Wed Jan 11, 2023 2:42 am

Mann hits two nice jumpers and then botches a fast break and then fouls a three point shooter. Also, shai has had a lot of bad turnovers and forced shots tonight.

Post #724 » by **ThunderBolt** » Wed Jan 11, 2023 2:51 am

jake_swivel wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:Honestly, I just want to draft his replacement this year. He’s not the only weakness we have but he’s one of the most likable personalities and stories ever but he drives me crazy when I watch him.

I think Jalen is his replacement.

And that’s a heck of an upgrade for us.

Post #725 » by **ThunderBolt** » Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:08 am

Overall this game means nothing but what a disappointment. As a fan, it was one of the times you want to look respectable against an anemic Miami roster. Despite a decent shooting performance, shai didn’t play well or play smart. I’m disappointed for him. Kenrich choked. Multiple times after timeouts where we seem to have no clue what we are doing. That’s on Daigneault and continues to be an area of concern for me. I’ve made me feelings on Dort very clear and he’s done nothing to prove me wrong. Oh well. On to the next one.

Post #726 » by **Dadouv47** » Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:18 am

Giddey deserved a win.

I was worried Shai would struggle. He knew that game was on National TV because of him. Credits to Spoelstra though, great coach who made life more difficult for SGA.

Post #727 » by **ThunderBolt** » Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:23 am

Dadouv47 wrote:Giddey deserved a win.

I was worried Shai would struggle. He knew that game was on National TV because of him. Credits to Spoelstra though, great coach who made life more difficult for SGA.

Yea I think Miami deserves some credit but at the same time, if shai is ascending to superstar status, you can’t struggle driving like that against the lineup Miami had out there tonight. Giddey was a positive. J Dub was pretty solid too despite his foul on Jimmy.

Post #728 » by **Dadouv47** » Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:28 am

ThunderBolt wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:Giddey deserved a win.

I was worried Shai would struggle. He knew that game was on National TV because of him. Credits to Spoelstra though, great coach who made life more difficult for SGA.

Yea I think Miami deserves some credit but at the same time, if shai is ascending to superstar status, you can’t struggle driving like that against the lineup Miami had out there tonight. Giddey was a positive. J Dub was pretty solid too despite his foul on Jimmy.

I love Shai and think he's a superstar talent but he isn't as mentally strong as Morant or Trae Young. He doesn't have their killer instinct / cold blooded guys even if he's more talented. I'm not that worried about that and think he will get used to it once our team improve and we play more important games.

Post #729 » by **Dadouv47** » Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:30 am

at least I'm very happy Giddey is showing why we were excited about him last season. He had a tough beginning of season but he's very good right now. Of course all we know that developing a shot will be the difference maker between him being a decent or a great player.

I'm not a Mann lover/believer but I don't get why he's getting less playing time than Lindy Waters.

Mr Thunder Nick · Post #730 » by **Mr Thunder Nick** » Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:26 pm

Dort is playing headless. I don't like his offensive game. He forces far too much. As for Shai as well. Often SGA doesn't see the better positioned teammate. Joe, Muscala are often open for a three and Shai forces his way to the basket. JDub has to work on his basketball IQ (but I know he is a rookie). Mann to sloppy. Giddey plays very good basketball for the moment As Kendrich does (but his free-throw shooting.....my god)

kdthunderup · Post #731 » by **kdthunderup** » Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:25 pm

The coaching staff have said that they want Dort to play this way so he can grow as a player and work in the system we're trying to build. Forcing players into positions where they need to learn and adapt is smart as we're not competing yet. An example is forcing Giddey to play more off the ball which has started to pay dividends. I'm sure at some point when we are closer to competing that the team will assess Dort's role on this team - I'm not too concerned about it this season.

cjmcallist · Post #732 » by **cjmcallist** » Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:45 am

kdthunderup wrote:The coaching staff have said that they want Dort to play this way so he can grow as a player and work in the system we're trying to build. Forcing players into positions where they need to learn and adapt is smart as we're not competing yet. An example is forcing Giddey to play more off the ball which has started to pay dividends. I'm sure at some point when we are closer to competing that the team will assess Dort's role on this team - I'm not too concerned about it this season.

My counter point is - Dort has been doing the same thing for the last 3 years. Same predictable early clock threes, same head down drive to the rim with no touch. How much more time does he need? Contrast that with Giddey - he needed 30 games to adjust to a vastly different role and he’s already showing the potential to flourish.

I trust this coaching staff, they are killing it. They have benched Bazely, and I hope it’s for basketball reasons. So I trust if they needed to do the same with Dort they would.

kdthunderup · Post #733 » by **kdthunderup** » Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:55 am

cjmcallist wrote:
kdthunderup wrote:The coaching staff have said that they want Dort to play this way so he can grow as a player and work in the system we're trying to build. Forcing players into positions where they need to learn and adapt is smart as we're not competing yet. An example is forcing Giddey to play more off the ball which has started to pay dividends. I'm sure at some point when we are closer to competing that the team will assess Dort's role on this team - I'm not too concerned about it this season.

My counter point is - Dort has been doing the same thing for the last 3 years. Same predictable early clock threes, same head down drive to the rim with no touch. How much more time does he need? Contrast that with Giddey - he needed 30 games to adjust to a vastly different role and he’s already showing the potential to flourish.

I trust this coaching staff, they are killing it. They have benched Bazely, and I hope it’s for basketball reasons. So I trust if they needed to do the same with Dort they would.

I think the thing with Dort is he is mostly used as a point of attack defender/disruptor which is important to how Mark/Presti is trying to setup their defence. We play a very aggressive style of defense to try and overwhelm teams with length and size (which is obvious due to how we have developed the roster).

This style of defense is great at forcing turnovers and helping us get out in transition but is very prone to giving up easy buckets at the basket and fouling a lot (why we nearly lead the league in fouls). Having a high iq agile rim protector is what ties this whole defense together and covers our biggest weakness - this is why I’m so excited to see Chet’s impact next season. Our defensive coverage will be insane with him on the court.

I think OKC wants to stick to this structure as much as possible to build continuity and this is why Dort still has his role because no one else on the team can do what he specifically does on defense. It’s also why we haven’t gone out and acquired a traditional center or drafted someone like Sengun.

I’m willing to wait to see how this all looks with Chet on board before assessing if we need to move on from Dort.

Post #734 » by **Dadouv47** » Thu Jan 12, 2023 5:38 pm

Read on Twitter

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Not a Dort fan but this is good at least

jake_swivel · Post #735 » by **jake_swivel** » Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:01 pm

What’s playmaking talent?

Post #736 » by **Dadouv47** » Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:26 pm

jake_swivel wrote:What’s playmaking talent?

Dort attempting 20 shots a game.

More seriously: "Our Playmaking Talent grade (version 2.0) analyzes a player’s playmaking for teammates through their ratings in Passing Creation Volume, Passing Creation Quality, Passing Versatility, Passing Efficiency, and Scoring Gravity (which has a small weight). As designed, the metric is about half measuring capability and volume of playmaking and half measuring effectiveness playmaking for others."

Looks like a lot of variables to put in a single graphic...

Post #737 » by **ThunderBolt** » Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:44 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:
jake_swivel wrote:What’s playmaking talent?

Dort attempting 20 shots a game.

More seriously: "Our Playmaking Talent grade (version 2.0) analyzes a player’s playmaking for teammates through their ratings in Passing Creation Volume, Passing Creation Quality, Passing Versatility, Passing Efficiency, and Scoring Gravity (which has a small weight). As designed, the metric is about half measuring capability and volume of playmaking and half measuring effectiveness playmaking for others."

Looks like a lot of variables to put in a single graphic...

This sounds equivalent to a stat that says Andre Roberson has the most untapped potential as a free throw shooter by analyzing the excessive arc, stiff release and low percentage.

jake_swivel · Post #738 » by **jake_swivel** » Fri Jan 13, 2023 2:06 am

I wonder if people would be as patient with dort if he didn’t have a strange name.

Big nick · Post #739 » by **Big nick** » Fri Jan 13, 2023 3:56 am

We are to good to tank now I would like a top 5 pick this year but I don't think it will happen. With that said bear with me here I can maybe see 3 Allstars on this team in the future. We all know sga is one I can see giddy becoming one I can see jdub becoming one and who knows chet might become one. I know I am being optimistic but it could happen. So maybe not getting a top 5 pick might not be so bad.

Post #740 » by **ThunderBolt** » Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:44 am

Big nick wrote:We are to good to tank now I would like a top 5 pick this year but I don't think it will happen. With that said bear with me here I can maybe see 3 Allstars on this team in the future. We all know sga is one I can see giddy becoming one I can see jdub becoming one and who knows chet might become one. I know I am being optimistic but it could happen. So maybe not getting a top 5 pick might not be so bad.

A top five pick would be great but it’s not necessary. Of the guys above you named, only Chet was picked in the top five. As long as we don’t pick a player that’s a bust, we should be good.