Playoffs 2017: WC First Round - Houston Rockets (3) vs Oklahoma City Thunder (6)

Pillendreher · Post #741 » by **Pillendreher** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:58 am

Russ +12 in 42 minutes in a 6 game loss.

Post #742 » by **ThunderBolt** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:03 am

I like kizz' idea. Trade Adams and Oladipo for assets and then get enough assets to pursue a star. If you can't get one, let Russ go somewhere that he isn't surrounded by incompetent players.

Post #743 » by **Dadouv47** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:05 am

Knrstz wrote:I like kizz' idea. Trade Adams and Oladipo for assets and then get enough assets to pursue a star. If you can't get one, let Russ go somewhere that he isn't surrounded by incompetent players.

What kind of assets can u have by trading oladipo? I'm having a hard time finding a trade for Oladipo.

Way easier in Adams's case (but I wouldn't trade him, only if the offer is very good)

InTheSabonus · Post #744 » by **InTheSabonus** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:08 am

Fitting end to a season which needed to be taken out behind the shed a while ago.

Russ with the superhuman effort, everyone else trash.

Shoutout to Abrines' 360 noscope shot though.

Post #745 » by **ThunderBolt** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:10 am

Dadouv47 wrote:
Knrstz wrote:I like kizz' idea. Trade Adams and Oladipo for assets and then get enough assets to pursue a star. If you can't get one, let Russ go somewhere that he isn't surrounded by incompetent players.

What kind of assets can u have by trading oladipo? I'm having a hard time finding a trade for Oladipo.

Way easier in Adams's case (but I wouldn't trade him, only if the offer is very good)

Probably not much but you have the try. Otherwise just go ahead and tell Russ that this year is as good as it gets because Presti is going to keep Roberson to,go along with the other great deals he signed.

spearsy23 · Post #746 » by **spearsy23** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:16 am

Knrstz wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:
Knrstz wrote:I like kizz' idea. Trade Adams and Oladipo for assets and then get enough assets to pursue a star. If you can't get one, let Russ go somewhere that he isn't surrounded by incompetent players.

What kind of assets can u have by trading oladipo? I'm having a hard time finding a trade for Oladipo.

Way easier in Adams's case (but I wouldn't trade him, only if the offer is very good)

Probably not much but you have the try. Otherwise just go ahead and tell Russ that this year is as good as it gets because Presti is going to keep Roberson to,go along with the other great deals he signed.

I'd rather pay dre 15 million than any the other 3 guys.

Pillendreher · Post #747 » by **Pillendreher** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:16 am

Read on Twitter

At least now we know he really is that stupid.

spearsy23 · Post #748 » by **spearsy23** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:17 am

I think the stat that most explains the entire season is Andre Roberson being the second leading scorer in the playoffs.

Old Man Game · Post #749 » by **Old Man Game** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:57 am

Victor Oladipo was something else. He plays like that he'll definitely be on those semi-regular 'worst contracts in the NBA' lists. Shooting under 25% in a close out game, season on the line won't get it done.

Post #750 » by **bondom34** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:36 am

So before this thread totally dies there's already an extra GB thread with Harden fans on red alert because he got outplayed :lol:

.

Bergmaniac · Post #751 » by **Bergmaniac** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:28 am

Oladipo was completely lost in every away game of the series and wasn't much better at home either. Just embarrassing from him. He shot 20.9% in the road games. And he shot a grand total of 6 free throws in the series. Six. He's supposed to be an athletic slasher but he can't draw fouls at all. In this series he couldn't score on drives at all either. According to nba.com, he shot an incredible 14.3 % on drives in this series. He had a grand total of 8 points scored from drives all series. How is that even possible? I know this was his playoff debut, but that's unacceptable. He had that deer in the headlights look in every away game.

He, Kanter and Adams should be mightily embarrassed that they were so bad on offense that Roberson ended up the second leading scorer in the series with less than 12 PPG.

Pillendreher · Post #752 » by **Pillendreher** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:56 am

Games 2-5:

With the friendly reminder that those 3-Man-Lineups didn't have a single shot creator besides Westbrook.

Kizz Fastfists · Post #753 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:02 am

Dipo was that way at Indiana also. He was completely lost in his first B1G tourney and then his junior year he was dominating it. His game has always improved steadily and he seems to need to experience something to understand how to prepare for it. The one thing about Dipo is he is always improving. He has had one constant and that is he improves his FG% and 3pt% every year both in college and the NBA. I wouldn't be surprised to see Dipo shoot 40% from 3 in another 2 years.

I don't think Dipo will every be a guy who can lead a team to the playoffs or be the #2 guy on a contender, but he can be a 3rd guy on a contender. The problem is OKC has Russ for the #1 then a massive drop to Adams and Dipo who were supposed to be the 3rd and 4th guys where they would have fit right in on a championship level squad.

DoubleJ13 · Post #754 » by **DoubleJ13** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:28 am

Whole series pretty much came out to not having a second reliable option once Russ would try to catch a break & the refs giving the Rockets all of those gimmick 3pt fouls/calls in general :nonono:

Was frustrating beyond belief to watch that goofy arm hook just throw the ball up so many times, then seeing things like Dipo get fouled on a legit 3 & not get the call because he didn't figure out a way to hook an arm & just throw the ball in the air. Nobody on the Thunder could get to the line besides Russ & everybody on the Rockets was getting calls.

Pillendreher · Post #755 » by **Pillendreher** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:07 am

Kizz Fastfists wrote:Dipo was that way at Indiana also. He was completely lost in his first B1G tourney and then his junior year he was dominating it. His game has always improved steadily and he seems to need to experience something to understand how to prepare for it. The one thing about Dipo is he is always improving. He has had one constant and that is he improves his FG% and 3pt% every year both in college and the NBA. I wouldn't be surprised to see Dipo shoot 40% from 3 in another 2 years.

I don't think Dipo will every be a guy who can lead a team to the playoffs or be the #2 guy on a contender, but he can be a 3rd guy on a contender. The problem is OKC has Russ for the #1 then a massive drop to Adams and Dipo who were supposed to be the 3rd and 4th guys where they would have fit right in on a championship level squad.

See this is where I get frustrated with him. The talent is clearly there. Why on earth he didn't bring it to the court is way beyond me. And this is bigger than just being option #2 or #3. Even 3rd options don't stink it up like that.

Post #756 » by **Dadouv47** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:34 am

Pillendreher wrote:

Read on Twitter

At least now we know he really is that stupid.

Hope some GM feels the same way and wants Kanter in his team :lol:

Kizz Fastfists · Post #757 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:34 pm

Pillendreher wrote:See this is where I get frustrated with him. The talent is clearly there. Why on earth he didn't bring it to the court is way beyond me. And this is bigger than just being option #2 or #3. Even 3rd options don't stink it up like that.

James Harden went 2-10 in TWO games during his finals. Harden was in his 3rd season and 3rd postseason so he shouldn't have been as bad as he was during those finals. Dipo is a better player than he showed over the series just like Harden was. Five games is way too small of a sample size to be making any conclusions about. Keep in mind that Harden was 13 of 41 and 2 of 20 from 3 in game 4 and 5 to close out this series. Harden wasn't shooting any better than Dipo was, but he had other guys who could pick up the slack.

The problem is OKC's roster is not good enough to win in the playoffs. Houston has a significantly better roster. Part of that comes from OKC having a huge amount of unused cap space after FA because the player that was supposed to take that money left after every other significant FA had signed elsewhere.

spearsy23 · Post #758 » by **spearsy23** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:38 pm

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:See this is where I get frustrated with him. The talent is clearly there. Why on earth he didn't bring it to the court is way beyond me. And this is bigger than just being option #2 or #3. Even 3rd options don't stink it up like that.

James Harden went 2-10 in TWO games during his finals. Harden was in his 3rd season and 3rd postseason so he shouldn't have been as bad as he was during those finals. Dipo is a better player than he showed over the series just like Harden was. Five games is way too small of a sample size to be making any conclusions about. Keep in mind that Harden was 13 of 41 and 2 of 20 from 3 in game 4 and 5 to close out this series. Harden wasn't shooting any better than Dipo was, but he had other guys who could pick up the slack.

The problem is OKC's roster is not good enough to win in the playoffs. Houston has a significantly better roster. Part of that comes from OKC having a huge amount of unused cap space after FA because the player that was supposed to take that money left after every other significant FA had signed elsewhere.

Make all the excuses you want, oladipo is no harden. He hasn't actually improved since he got into the league.

Bergmaniac · Post #759 » by **Bergmaniac** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:38 pm

Yeah, Dipo has improved very little since he came in the league. In fact, I don't think he's improved at all since his second season. His 3 point shooting is a bit better but his free throw draw rate and his finishing at the rim has decreased. He has improved his FG% and TS% very slightly since then but the difference is extremely small. And he seems to have regressed as ball-handler and playmaker from last season, he was never better than average than this but he was better than his current level.

sleestak33 · Post #760 » by **sleestak33** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:25 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:

Read on Twitter

At least now we know he really is that stupid.

Hope some GM feels the same way and wants Kanter in his team

Simmons is 100% correct and Kanter easily could have averaged 20/10 in this series if he had a coach that didn't publicly ridicule him and would have been given the minutes. It's just funny that for some reason Kanter is the only one who gets criticized for playing poor defense. Roberson gave up a historical amount of points to Harden the first 3 games (37,35 and 44) yet he was praised for playing good defense??? Adams gives up 28/10 to Nene on 12/12 shooting in only 25 minutes in game 4 yet Donovan kept playing him and Roberson but the minute Kanter gives up a layup on a pick and roll he yanks him out. It's beyond ridiculous the lack of respect Kanter gets for what he does. He's one of 5 bigs in the NBA capable of putting up 20/10 (his per 36 minute numbers are 24/11) yet he barely even plays. It's a big part of the reason they lost to Houston with his lack of playing time.