Thunder Offseason Thread Part Deux: Rebuild

Dn4sty · Post #781 » by **Dn4sty** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 4:40 am

Dort looks like an NFL linebacker.

CROklahoma · Post #782 » by **CROklahoma** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 8:37 am

Diallo looked like if he stays healthy he'll be top3 athletic guy in league. If he has any resemblence of shooting, playing p&r, defense etc, he'll be hell of a player along with SGA

Post #783 » by **ThunderBolt** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 11:46 am

If Morey loses his job over this, it could really potential have a huge impact on our picks and pick swaps.

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Post #784 » by **Dadouv47** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 4:38 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:If Morey loses his job over this, it could really potential have a huge impact on our picks and pick swaps.

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their fanbase in China is huge so if they lose a lot of money because of it, it could have an impact on their futur. Don't think it will though. A lot of noice for nothing...

Kizz Fastfists · Post #785 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 5:34 pm

Morey has already been effectively fired. The ownership is forcing the moves, like Russ. Houston is a mess and Morey will be leaving soon as they collapse from ownership doing things that he knew would hurt the team. There is actually a chance that some of those top 4 protected picks do not convey.

Post #786 » by **ThunderBolt** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 6:19 pm

Kizz Fastfists wrote:Morey has already been effectively fired. The ownership is forcing the moves, like Russ. Houston is a mess and Morey will be leaving soon as they collapse from ownership doing things that he knew would hurt the team. There is actually a chance that some of those top 4 protected picks do not convey.

In the event that picks don’t convey then the pick swap options have potential to be very beneficial. Probably a tad premature to decide that yet.

Kizz Fastfists · Post #787 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 10:17 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:In the event that picks don’t convey then the pick swap options have potential to be very beneficial. Probably a tad premature to decide that yet.

The pick swaps are protected also. One is top 4 and one is top 10. Both firsts that we "own" are top 4 protected and could end up being a total of three second round picks. I am not saying Houston will be that bad, but it is possible that OKC only gets three 2nd round picks from the trade.

The first pick is a swap in 2021. It is likely that in the '20-'21 season Houston's pick is worse than both OKC and Miami so OKC gets nothing. The next pick is in 2024, which is a 1st, but we have no idea what Houston will look like in the '23-'24 season. That will be Houston's first season post-Russ. If Harden is still there he will be old, but he could be gone as well. They could legitimately have a top 4 pick, which means OKC gets a 2nd round pick in 2024 and 2025. The 2025 pick is a swap, but is top 10 protected, and could be had for either OKC's or LAC's pick. It seems very likely that a post-Russ/Harden Houston team can be picking in the top 10 and OKC gets nothing. The 2026 pick is OKC's and is only top 4 protected. However, since I see Houston as missing the playoffs they could get lucky and move up or "earn" a top 4 pick. That leaves OKC with just the 2026 second round pick.

Most of these are too far out to really make assumptions about them, but I am very down on Houston with Russ there. I expect them to miss the playoffs this year and for Harden to want out. I could be wrong and Harden carries Russ to the playoffs like PG did last year, but I still think Harden will want out after this season as he realizes that Russ isn't capable of being the #2 on a contender. If Harden forces his way out of Houston I could see them fighting for the first pick in the 2021 draft. Russ, at that point in his career, and Capela are not going to lead a team to the playoffs.

spearsy23 · Post #788 » by **spearsy23** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 10:37 pm

Post #789 » by **Dadouv47** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 10:49 pm

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:In the event that picks don’t convey then the pick swap options have potential to be very beneficial. Probably a tad premature to decide that yet.

The pick swaps are protected also. One is top 4 and one is top 10. Both firsts that we "own" are top 4 protected and could end up being a total of three second round picks. I am not saying Houston will be that bad, but it is possible that OKC only gets three 2nd round picks from the trade.

The first pick is a swap in 2021. It is likely that in the '20-'21 season Houston's pick is worse than both OKC and Miami so OKC gets nothing. The next pick is in 2024, which is a 1st, but we have no idea what Houston will look like in the '23-'24 season. That will be Houston's first season post-Russ. If Harden is still there he will be old, but he could be gone as well. They could legitimately have a top 4 pick, which means OKC gets a 2nd round pick in 2024 and 2025. The 2025 pick is a swap, but is top 10 protected, and could be had for either OKC's or LAC's pick. It seems very likely that a post-Russ/Harden Houston team can be picking in the top 10 and OKC gets nothing. The 2026 pick is OKC's and is only top 4 protected. However, since I see Houston as missing the playoffs they could get lucky and move up or "earn" a top 4 pick. That leaves OKC with just the 2026 second round pick.

Most of these are too far out to really make assumptions about them, but I am very down on Houston with Russ there. I expect them to miss the playoffs this year and for Harden to want out. I could be wrong and Harden carries Russ to the playoffs like PG did last year, but I still think Harden will want out after this season as he realizes that Russ isn't capable of being the #2 on a contender. If Harden forces his way out of Houston I could see them fighting for the first pick in the 2021 draft. Russ, at that point in his career, and Capela are not going to lead a team to the playoffs.

Kizz Fastfists · Post #790 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 11:00 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:

OKC was a sub .500 team after the all-star break last year when PG was unable to carry Russ. If you would like to argue that Harden is much better than PG and won't have a problem carrying Russ then make that argument. Do you think Houston's coaching will make Russ play different and that will make a difference? Do you think Houston's supporting cast is so much better that it will be the difference?

Russ is still recovering from another knee surgery. Harden is now 30. How good do you think Houston is? Why are they better than OKC was last year? If PG wanted out after realizing OKC couldn't get past the first round with Russ why would Harden feel different? Do you think Houston will be able to trade Russ next off-season to keep Harden? Would Harden go for that?

Post #791 » by **Dadouv47** » Tue Oct 8, 2019 1:01 am

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:

OKC was a sub .500 team after the all-star break last year when PG was unable to carry Russ. If you would like to argue that Harden is much better than PG and won't have a problem carrying Russ then make that argument. Do you think Houston's coaching will make Russ play different and that will make a difference? Do you think Houston's supporting cast is so much better that it will be the difference?

Russ is still recovering from another knee surgery. Harden is now 30. How good do you think Houston is? Why are they better than OKC was last year? If PG wanted out after realizing OKC couldn't get past the first round with Russ why would Harden feel different? Do you think Houston will be able to trade Russ next off-season to keep Harden? Would Harden go for that?

I think Westbrook is way better than CP3 right now but even if it's not the case Houston only had a bad last regular season record because CP3 was injured for a lot of games. I don't like Harden so won't make the argument that he's better than PG13 but the supporting cast (Capela/Tucker/Gordon) certainly is.

Westbrook in Houston could be a huge failure but you are overreacting as always because you hate him...

Kizz Fastfists · Post #792 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Tue Oct 8, 2019 4:52 am

Dadouv47 wrote:I think Westbrook is way better than CP3 right now but even if it's not the case Houston only had a bad last regular season record because CP3 was injured for a lot of games. I don't like Harden so won't make the argument that he's better than PG13 but the supporting cast (Capela/Tucker/Gordon) certainly is.

Westbrook in Houston could be a huge failure but you are overreacting as always because you hate him...

What makes you think Russ is better than CP3 at this point in their careers? Their "bad" regular season record was because CP3 missed 24 games? They were 67.7% in games he played. So I guess that you could blame it on that. However, you need to think about that. They were 40-19 when CP3 played and 13-10 when CP3 was out. CP3 drove that team not Harden.

I am not overreacting because I hate Russ. Houston's entire game is based on shooting 3s and playing defense. Two things that CP3 is VERY good at and Russ is VERY bad at. There are teams where Russ would be better fit than CP3. Houston isn't one of them.

Capela/Tucker/Gordon is better than Adams/Grant/Ferguson? At what? Not 3pt% last year. Slightly better FT%. Not defense. Russ actually has worse 3pt shooters, by percentage, to play with in Houston than he had in OKC last year. Unless Russ becomes a completely different player Houston is in trouble. If Russ is taking 4+ three point shots a game like he has the last 6 years and chases rebounds over guarding his man, like he has the last three years, then Houston is in serious trouble. If Russ changes his game for Houston then It shows that Russ can fit into a team and that OKC has incompetent management and they should all be fired starting with Presti. I think Russ will be Russ because I don't believe he has been lying to the press for the last several years saying he didn't need to change his game to help the team. I think he believe that.

Like with every other prediction I have made about how teams will perform we can just wait and see what happens and revisit this when Houston has everyone in the media scratching their heads like LAL did last year.

spearsy23 · Post #793 » by **spearsy23** » Tue Oct 8, 2019 5:47 am

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:I think Westbrook is way better than CP3 right now but even if it's not the case Houston only had a bad last regular season record because CP3 was injured for a lot of games. I don't like Harden so won't make the argument that he's better than PG13 but the supporting cast (Capela/Tucker/Gordon) certainly is.

Westbrook in Houston could be a huge failure but you are overreacting as always because you hate him...

They were 40-19 when CP3 played and 13-10 when CP3 was out. CP3 drove that team not Harden.

Oh God. Bruh, just stop.

Post #794 » by **ThunderBolt** » Tue Oct 8, 2019 3:07 pm

So we have a game tonight...

Thundershock88 · Post #795 » by **Thundershock88** » Tue Oct 8, 2019 3:35 pm

Something inside me tells me somehow this team got better. I guess we will find out.

Post #796 » by **ThunderBolt** » Tue Oct 8, 2019 3:48 pm

As a fan of the game I’m also looking forward to seeing KP and Luka make their debut.

Post #797 » by **ThunderBolt** » Tue Oct 8, 2019 4:34 pm

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Post #798 » by **Andre Roberstan** » Tue Oct 8, 2019 7:42 pm

Galloisdaman wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:
Galloisdaman wrote:
Maybe but teams like SA and GS were not considered big TV market teams and they had FA come there way after winning. OKC could have a different mindset than LAC. I just hope the team does not view this season as a tank. I like all teams to compete.

The Bay Area is absolutely a big market. I’ll give you the SAS but I don’t think their situation is identical to okcs at this time. Okc can get free agents. We’ve already proven that with Melo waiving his NTC, George re-sigining and with reportedly Horford willing to join. However you can’t go all in every year. It just doesn’t make sense to do so this year. You can only compromise the future by going for it in the present for so long.

The Bay area is a money filled area but before this decades Warriors did Golden State the have the kind of TV ratings that other big market teams had? Were they a big attraction to all star FA?

This is irrelevant to market size. Whether or not people are watching doesn't have anything to do with the size of the market.

Pillendreher · Post #799 » by **Pillendreher** » Tue Oct 8, 2019 9:02 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:

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This guy's career is over. It's been almost two years and all he's doing is posing for 20 second video clips for Twitter.

Such a shame.

spearsy23 · Post #800 » by **spearsy23** » Tue Oct 8, 2019 11:54 pm

Ugh, going to miss the first quarter or so which makes watching worthless.