2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion

[bondom34]

Keep in mind that Presti did say when Russ was extended that if Russ hadn't signed the extension he would have been sent to Boston instead. The only thing that has changed is Russ has more trade value from the extension. OKC isn't in a better position to reload. Boston still has all their assets. Unless some unknown variable has changed Presti still knows the best course of action is to trade Russ to Boston and rebuild.

The new CBA.

Also, Russ said he never intended to leave, and I don't remember seeing that about Boston. Russ intended on staying, and Presti intended on keeping him.

Also, Boston's assets aren't that great to me, 2 draft picks and another wing who can't shoot.

And OKC is 10000 percent in a better position to reload. Boston's kinda in trouble if they don't pull a trade soon. Not trouble, but thost "assets" keep losing value. And they clearly weren't that valued around the league to start or some would have been traded.

Boston's assets are not losing value, they'll be at their peak value on draft night this year when they have a concrete top three pick, a likely top three pick, Brown, and Bradley/Crowder. Boston is in the best position in the league of any team not contending for a championship. They have app the benefits of tanking while also buying a top playoff seed.

I think they're in a spot where they're getting more and more time pressed, and other teams see it. They're good, but their cap is going to have issues in a year, Horford is getting older, and they've got known roster flaws. Teams aren't lining up to give them superstars and at some point they're either going to overpay or just waste signing Horford.

[SD2042]

The new CBA.

Also, Russ said he never intended to leave, and I don't remember seeing that about Boston. Russ intended on staying, and Presti intended on keeping him.

Also, Boston's assets aren't that great to me, 2 draft picks and another wing who can't shoot.

And OKC is 10000 percent in a better position to reload. Boston's kinda in trouble if they don't pull a trade soon. Not trouble, but thost "assets" keep losing value. And they clearly weren't that valued around the league to start or some would have been traded.

Boston's assets are not losing value, they'll be at their peak value on draft night this year when they have a concrete top three pick, a likely top three pick, Brown, and Bradley/Crowder. Boston is in the best position in the league of any team not contending for a championship. They have app the benefits of tanking while also buying a top playoff seed.

I think they're in a spot where they're getting more and more time pressed, and other teams see it. They're good, but their cap is going to have issues in a year, Horford is getting older, and they've got known roster flaws. Teams aren't lining up to give them superstars and at some point they're either going to overpay or just waste signing Horford.

At this point, the Celtics will have to make a smart trade because they can only take on so many assets in the next couple of years without losing some of their pieces next season for nothing. If I had to make a good guess, it may involve Jimmy Butler in the mix.

[bondom34]

Boston's assets are not losing value, they'll be at their peak value on draft night this year when they have a concrete top three pick, a likely top three pick, Brown, and Bradley/Crowder. Boston is in the best position in the league of any team not contending for a championship. They have app the benefits of tanking while also buying a top playoff seed.

I think they're in a spot where they're getting more and more time pressed, and other teams see it. They're good, but their cap is going to have issues in a year, Horford is getting older, and they've got known roster flaws. Teams aren't lining up to give them superstars and at some point they're either going to overpay or just waste signing Horford.

At this point, the Celtics will have to make a smart trade because they can only take on so many assets in the next couple of years without losing some of their pieces next season for nothing. If I had to make a good guess, it may involve Jimmy Butler in the mix.

He's probably the best guess, but even there I don't see Chicago pulling the trigger. They've literally got too many draft picks and have to cut guys to use them, its kinda crazy.

[thor19]

Can we trade back kyle singler to detroit for marcus morris!!

[SD2042]

Can we trade back kyle singler to detroit for marcus morris!!

Needed that laugh!

[thor19]

yeah like a rain check !!

[spearsy23]

The new CBA.

Also, Russ said he never intended to leave, and I don't remember seeing that about Boston. Russ intended on staying, and Presti intended on keeping him.

Also, Boston's assets aren't that great to me, 2 draft picks and another wing who can't shoot.

And OKC is 10000 percent in a better position to reload. Boston's kinda in trouble if they don't pull a trade soon. Not trouble, but thost "assets" keep losing value. And they clearly weren't that valued around the league to start or some would have been traded.

Boston's assets are not losing value, they'll be at their peak value on draft night this year when they have a concrete top three pick, a likely top three pick, Brown, and Bradley/Crowder. Boston is in the best position in the league of any team not contending for a championship. They have app the benefits of tanking while also buying a top playoff seed.

I think they're in a spot where they're getting more and more time pressed, and other teams see it. They're good, but their cap is going to have issues in a year, Horford is getting older, and they've got known roster flaws. Teams aren't lining up to give them superstars and at some point they're either going to overpay or just waste signing Horford.

Wait, so if they are a high playoff seed for the next few years how are they wasting the Horford signing? Isn't that the same as saying we're wasting re-signing Russ? They're in a position where they could host playoff series for the next few years while also adding superstar talent through the draft. How many teams have ever done that? If it means they have to let yyoung/Johnson/jerebko/zeller walk I don't think they'll be too upset.

[bondom34]

Boston's assets are not losing value, they'll be at their peak value on draft night this year when they have a concrete top three pick, a likely top three pick, Brown, and Bradley/Crowder. Boston is in the best position in the league of any team not contending for a championship. They have app the benefits of tanking while also buying a top playoff seed.

I think they're in a spot where they're getting more and more time pressed, and other teams see it. They're good, but their cap is going to have issues in a year, Horford is getting older, and they've got known roster flaws. Teams aren't lining up to give them superstars and at some point they're either going to overpay or just waste signing Horford.

Wait, so if they are a high playoff seed for the next few years how are they wasting the Horford signing? Isn't that the same as saying we're wasting re-signing Russ? They're in a position where they could host playoff series for the next few years while also adding superstar talent through the draft. How many teams have ever done that? If it means they have to let yyoung/Johnson/jerebko/zeller walk I don't think they'll be too upset.

They're letting go guys they just drafted (Hunter). And by saying they're in such a great spot, I assume you mean title or bust.

[spearsy23]

I think they're in a spot where they're getting more and more time pressed, and other teams see it. They're good, but their cap is going to have issues in a year, Horford is getting older, and they've got known roster flaws. Teams aren't lining up to give them superstars and at some point they're either going to overpay or just waste signing Horford.

Wait, so if they are a high playoff seed for the next few years how are they wasting the Horford signing? Isn't that the same as saying we're wasting re-signing Russ? They're in a position where they could host playoff series for the next few years while also adding superstar talent through the draft. How many teams have ever done that? If it means they have to let yyoung/Johnson/jerebko/zeller walk I don't think they'll be too upset.

They're letting go guys they just drafted (Hunter). And by saying they're in such a great spot, I assume you mean title or bust.

Hunter sucks, it's pretty much like us letting Mitch go except Mitch at least had talent.

I've never been title or bust. Boston is set up to hhave a competitive team for the next five years while also growing the type of young talent that contenders are built on. If i was ai fan of that team I'd be hoping they didn't make trade. Draft fultz or ball or Jackson or whoever you think the next great player and have current core that you can slowly replace as the young guys get ready. Trade Horford in a come years for a young Role player, just keep replacing those guys with younger ones their contracts get shorter and you can transition immediately from vet laden three seed to up and coming 6/7 seed without ever having to go through losing seasons.

[bondom34]

Wait, so if they are a high playoff seed for the next few years how are they wasting the Horford signing? Isn't that the same as saying we're wasting re-signing Russ? They're in a position where they could host playoff series for the next few years while also adding superstar talent through the draft. How many teams have ever done that? If it means they have to let yyoung/Johnson/jerebko/zeller walk I don't think they'll be too upset.

They're letting go guys they just drafted (Hunter). And by saying they're in such a great spot, I assume you mean title or bust.

Hunter sucks, it's pretty much like us letting Mitch go except Mitch at least had talent.

I've never been title or bust. Boston is set up to hhave a competitive team for the next five years while also growing the type of young talent that contenders are built on. If i was ai fan of that team I'd be hoping they didn't make trade. Draft fultz or ball or Jackson or whoever you think the next great player and have current core that you can slowly replace as the young guys get ready. Trade Horford in a come years for a young Role player, just keep replacing those guys with younger ones their contracts get shorter and you can transition immediately from vet laden three seed to up and coming 6/7 seed without ever having to go through losing seasons.

Neither am I but their fans are set on it.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Boston's assets are not losing value, they'll be at their peak value on draft night this year when they have a concrete top three pick, a likely top three pick, Brown, and Bradley/Crowder. Boston is in the best position in the league of any team not contending for a championship. They have app the benefits of tanking while also buying a top playoff seed.

Boston's assets can lose value on draft lottery night. Right now the Brooklyn pick is potentially the #1 pick that has more value than if it becomes the #4 pick. If the Brookly pick is #1 then everyone expects it to be Fultz and he's being projected as a superstar player. If it is #4 you are looking at Monk, Jackson, Smith or one of the other projected as an all-star, but all come with questions. The only way that pick is worth more on draft night than today is if Boston actually lands a top 2 pick. If the pick is 3 or 4 then it is worth less than it is today. The future Brooklyn pick is also worth less if Brooklyn uses it's cap room to improve this off-season. That pick goes from being a potential #1 in a very good draft to maybe the 5-8 range if Brooklyn can land a max contract and another solid player, which they will have the cap room for.

Boston also hasn't done very well drafting in recent years. Olynyk, Sullinger, Fab Melo, etc. If I'm Ainge I realize that drafting is my weakness and I move that Brooklyn pick now, while it is still potentially the #1 pick, with other picks for an established superstar. OKC and Boston are in very similar places with their current roster. The difference is Boston has the assets to add that superstar to push them up to being a contender that OKC doesn't have. If you drop a player like C.J. McCullom on either Boston or OKC and they are contenders. The problem for OKC is they don't have the assets to make that type of move. Ainge should try to empty the war chest not horde it an hope he gets lucky in the lottery and makes the right pick.

[bondom34]

I think OKCs assets are being underrated, and Boston doesn't have their youth at all. OKCs assets are worse,but youth better.

Boston doesn't have a young player outside Brown I take over Adams, Dipo, or probably Kanter. OKC has a younger roster, with fewer picks.

And Adams keeps making leaps. This roster is fine. It needs time and a tweak. Boston needs similar but doesn't have youth, but draft picks. Their players are older and essentially are what they are.

Oh and OKC now projected 1 win behind them, with a roster 1.4 years younger on average and a starting lineup over 3 years younger.

[Osirus89]

Boston's assets are not losing value, they'll be at their peak value on draft night this year when they have a concrete top three pick, a likely top three pick, Brown, and Bradley/Crowder. Boston is in the best position in the league of any team not contending for a championship. They have app the benefits of tanking while also buying a top playoff seed.

Boston's assets can lose value on draft lottery night. Right now the Brooklyn pick is potentially the #1 pick that has more value than if it becomes the #4 pick. If the Brookly pick is #1 then everyone expects it to be Fultz and he's being projected as a superstar player. If it is #4 you are looking at Monk, Jackson, Smith or one of the other projected as an all-star, but all come with questions. The only way that pick is worth more on draft night than today is if Boston actually lands a top 2 pick. If the pick is 3 or 4 then it is worth less than it is today. The future Brooklyn pick is also worth less if Brooklyn uses it's cap room to improve this off-season. That pick goes from being a potential #1 in a very good draft to maybe the 5-8 range if Brooklyn can land a max contract and another solid player, which they will have the cap room for.

They are kind of stuck it appears. Ainge seems to only want to make home run trades and not smaller trades to improve the roster. Its either superstar or nothing at all. Seems like he wants to see where the pick lands before he makes a move. Like you mentioned though, if that pick is not in the top 2, it loses a lot of value. Unfortunately for them the new cba kind of screwed them over with the Designated Veteran Exception. I guarantee that if that had not been in the new CBA: Cousins ,George, or Butler would have been in Boston already. If they keep the pick they still have the pressure of actually hitting on the draft pick. I imagine that the Lakers/Philly would much rather have Porzingis than Russell/Okafor.

[spearsy23]

Boston's assets are not losing value, they'll be at their peak value on draft night this year when they have a concrete top three pick, a likely top three pick, Brown, and Bradley/Crowder. Boston is in the best position in the league of any team not contending for a championship. They have app the benefits of tanking while also buying a top playoff seed.

Boston's assets can lose value on draft lottery night. Right now the Brooklyn pick is potentially the #1 pick that has more value than if it becomes the #4 pick. If the Brookly pick is #1 then everyone expects it to be Fultz and he's being projected as a superstar player. If it is #4 you are looking at Monk, Jackson, Smith or one of the other projected as an all-star, but all come with questions. The only way that pick is worth more on draft night than today is if Boston actually lands a top 2 pick. If the pick is 3 or 4 then it is worth less than it is today.

Everyone was hailing Jackson as the superstar prospect coming into the season. The top 8 guys in this draft are all being compared to stars. Jackson's nbadraft.net comps are butler/kawhi (not that nbadraft.net is particularly good, but just to illustrate the point). Hell, Jackson is probably the best case for Boston because they can develop him alongside Thomas.

Nobody is paying for the Brooklyn pick as though it's a number 1 until it is, and teams are much more willing to deal core pieces for picks in the off season than mid season. Anything you lose by getting the 4th pick in this draft is more than made up for by having 1 fewer year on a guys contract, having another failed season behind them, and the excitement people feel as they're digging into these prospects. Post draft is when the value starts to actually fall.

Boston also hasn't done very well drafting in recent years. Olynyk, Sullinger, Fab Melo, etc. If I'm Ainge I realize that drafting is my weakness and I move that Brooklyn pick now, while it is still potentially the #1 pick, with other picks for an established superstar.

It's a lot easier to pick great players at the top of a great draft than with picks 13, 21, or 22. That's like saying presti shouldn't bother with draft picks because he took mcgary, Cam, and PJ.

OKC and Boston are in very similar places with their current roster. The difference is Boston has the assets to add that superstar to push them up to being a contender that OKC doesn't have. If you drop a player like C.J. McCullom on either Boston or OKC and they are contenders. The problem for OKC is they don't have the assets to make that type of move. Ainge should try to empty the war chest not horde it an hope he gets lucky in the lottery and makes the right pick.

Cj mccollum would not make either of these teams contenders. We were a contender with Durant, we would need at least a butler level player to get back to that status. Boston would have a better chance because they have more balance, but without a real superstar they aren't coming close to touching the warriors.

[Pillendreher]

The 3rd quarter last night showed that we need to make additional trades. Not enough shooting on this team.

[ThunderBolt]

The 3rd quarter last night showed that we need to make additional trades. Not enough shooting on this team.

I have no problem moving Cam.i think he's the guy who needs to to go. Kanter could as well but I think that's less likely. I hope we can keep Dre but his minutes need to be closer to last year as long as his offensive game sucks. Russ and Adams should be our only unreadable guys. Vic isn't far behind. I love Sabonis and I hope he isn't traded unless it's for a very good player.

[getrichordie]

Out of curiosity, what are some young prospects you think have a lot of potential in our system that you would trade for?

Side note: How much would it take to get a guy like Alex Len?

[Ball like Cody]

I'd love to get Tyreke Evans from New Orleans. Can play 1-3. Move roberson back to SF, have Dipo anchor the bench. I wonder if there is any chance they'd take Kanter for him.

Russ/Payne
Roberson/Dipo
Evans/morrow
Sabonis/Jerami
Adams/Joffrey

[Ball like Cody]

I'm not a kanter hater by any means, I just honestly don't know who else we could trade at this point unless it was Cam Payne. But he hasn't been really helping his trade value with his play to this point.

[NaturalThunder]

I'd love to get Tyreke Evans from New Orleans. Can play 1-3. Move roberson back to SF, have Dipo anchor the bench. I wonder if there is any chance they'd take Kanter for him.

Russ/Payne
Roberson/Dipo
Evans/morrow
Sabonis/Jerami
Adams/Joffrey

Defenses would never step foot outside the 3P line against that starting lineup. The floor spacing in our starting lineup is already atrocious. Replacing Oladipo with Tyreke Evans makes it astronomically bad.