3/14 | G70: Golden State Warriors at Oklahoma City Thunder - 7:30PM CST

[ThunderBolt]

You know why my Kia sucks? I think the cheap rims on it need to be replaced with some of Walmart's finest plastic spinners. That will put me on par with the BMW's of the world.

No one is saying that we would win a championship if we replace Ferguson with Burton. But if the things are not working, make some f****** change.

I agree we should make changes but it doesn't involve debating between two mediocre role players when the issues are bigger. We have the third highest payroll in the league and we are once again looking like a first round exit as the team free falls.

[1bigfan13]

You know why my Kia sucks? I think the cheap rims on it need to be replaced with some of Walmart's finest plastic spinners. That will put me on par with the BMW's of the world.

Here's the thing. No one is claiming that Burton will make a huge difference and is the magic bullet to pull OKC out of this funk. But when your margin for error is small like OKC's, it's up to the coach to make the right decision to maximize the talent that he does have. You do that by not pulling players when they are hot and in the case of Ferguson and Burton, you do that by inserting a player who offers more than just spot up jumpers from corner.

Little things like that add up and are usually the difference in games.

[JustOneFix]

Here's the thing. No one is claiming that Burton will make a huge difference and is the magic bullet to pull OKC out of this funk. But when your margin for error is small like OKC's, it's up to the coach to make the right decision to maximize the talent that he does have. You do that by not pulling players when they are hot and in the case of Ferguson and Burton, you do that by inserting a player who offers more than just spot up jumpers from corner.

Little things like that add up and are usually the difference in games.

Greg Popovich would surely find a spot and a role for a guy like Burton. I can tell you that...

[Pillendreher]

you do that by inserting a player who offers more than just spot up jumpers from corner.

What does he offer? Pray tell. Burton is fat, but worse version than Dion Waiters.

Little things like that add up and are usually the difference in games.

Our issues right now are structural. Inserting a G-League scrub into the starting lineup ( ) would only make things worse. You won't stop the bleeding by being this irrational. Neither Burton nor Nader have any business even getting minutes.

[Pillendreher]

Here's the thing. No one is claiming that Burton will make a huge difference and is the magic bullet to pull OKC out of this funk. But when your margin for error is small like OKC's, it's up to the coach to make the right decision to maximize the talent that he does have. You do that by not pulling players when they are hot and in the case of Ferguson and Burton, you do that by inserting a player who offers more than just spot up jumpers from corner.

Little things like that add up and are usually the difference in games.

Greg Popovich would surely find a spot and a role for a guy like Burton. I can tell you that...

A guy like Burton wouldn't even be on the Spurs because they value skills, not athleticism.

[Pillendreher]

You know why my Kia sucks? I think the cheap rims on it need to be replaced with some of Walmart's finest plastic spinners. That will put me on par with the BMW's of the world.

No one is saying that we would win a championship if we replace Ferguson with Burton. But if the things are not working, make some f****** change.

I agree we should make changes but it doesn't involve debating between two mediocre role players when the issues are bigger. We have the third highest payroll in the league and we are once again looking like a first round exit as the team free falls.

Sustainability. Even if it's just being consistent in being disappointing.

[Thunder Up]

Donovan f'ing sucks, Nader f'ing sucks, Ferguson sucks, Schroder sucks, PG13 vs heavy doses of defense sucks, brainless Russ possessions sucks but most importantly Donovan **** sucks.

[1bigfan13]

Our issues right now are structural. Inserting a G-League scrub into the starting lineup ( ) would only make things worse. You won't stop the bleeding by being this irrational. Neither Burton nor Nader have any business even getting minutes.

You ignored my main point. Like I said, the Burton move alone won't fix anything but that moved coupled with a few other timely decisions by the coach are what makes a difference.

Playing Burton over Ferguson is just one of many decisions that would give this team a better shot at winning.

Also, I get that Burton can be streaky as well, but again that's up to the coach to sort out. Unfortunately Donovan is one of those coaches who is reluctant to adjust in the moment. He'd rather stick with his core role players than divvy up playing time based on a players effectiveness from game to game.

[1bigfan13]

you do that by inserting a player who offers more than just spot up jumpers from corner.

What does he offer? Pray tell. Burton is fat, but worse version than Dion Waiters.

I already explained what he offered. I'm not going to lay it out for you again.

[Thunder Up]

I'm still amazed that Morris is seeing less than 20 mpg, he should be cutting into Nader's minutes with a mix of Burton and then Grant at the three with Morris out there at the 4.

Also Noel should be seeing 15+ mpg. Inexcusable roster and rotation management.

[Thunder Up]

you do that by inserting a player who offers more than just spot up jumpers from corner.

What does he offer? Pray tell. Burton is fat, but worse version than Dion Waiters.

Little things like that add up and are usually the difference in games.

Our issues right now are structural. Inserting a G-League scrub into the starting lineup ( ) would only make things worse. You won't stop the bleeding by being this irrational. Neither Burton nor Nader have any business even getting minutes.

Deonte Burton is not fat... lmaoooo

[Pillendreher]

you do that by inserting a player who offers more than just spot up jumpers from corner.

What does he offer? Pray tell. Burton is fat, but worse version than Dion Waiters.

I already explained what he offered. I'm not going to lay it out for you again.

No. What you offered was wishful thinking, not something based in reality. You hang your hat on the handful of good plays by him this season and act like this is his floor. It's not.

[Pillendreher]

you do that by inserting a player who offers more than just spot up jumpers from corner.

What does he offer? Pray tell. Burton is fat, but worse version than Dion Waiters.

Little things like that add up and are usually the difference in games.

Our issues right now are structural. Inserting a G-League scrub into the starting lineup ( ) would only make things worse. You won't stop the bleeding by being this irrational. Neither Burton nor Nader have any business even getting minutes.

Deonte Burton is not fat... lmaoooo

Of course he is. He's like reverse Ferguson in that regard.

[ThunderBolt]

You know why my Kia sucks? I think the cheap rims on it need to be replaced with some of Walmart's finest plastic spinners. That will put me on par with the BMW's of the world.

Here's the thing. No one is claiming that Burton will make a huge difference and is the magic bullet to pull OKC out of this funk. But when your margin for error is small like OKC's, it's up to the coach to make the right decision to maximize the talent that he does have. You do that by not pulling players when they are hot and in the case of Ferguson and Burton, you do that by inserting a player who offers more than just spot up jumpers from corner.

Little things like that add up and are usually the difference in games.

That’s why I’m saying people are missing the issue. Maybe player management makes a difference against the mavs or clippers but it wouldn’t have mattered last night and that’s unacceptable. We just came off a bad loss and should have been refocused against a team that our guys know is very good we’re on prime time tv. They didn’t even have Durant. Yes I know once upon a time they won 73 games without him but this particular team isnt as deep. We couldn’t even lose closely like Houston did? That’s unacceptable and not a one time fluke.

Blame Presti. Blame Dononvan. Blame russ for being a low iq player and piss poor defender. Blame Adams contract. I don’t care but the reality is there is too much wrong with this team and how it is constructed to win anything meaningful even if the warriors didn’t exist. Let’s say Burton ends up being better than Ferguson. Then what? Are we now a good team? Does Russ learn how to control his emotions and quit slacking on defense? Does Adams stay healthy all year long and renegotiate his contract? Does Dononvan not do Dononvan stuff? Does Presti quit chasing bad contracts?

[1bigfan13]

you do that by inserting a player who offers more than just spot up jumpers from corner.

What does he offer? Pray tell. Burton is fat, but worse version than Dion Waiters.

I already explained what he offered. I'm not going to lay it out for you again.

Screw it. I have a few minutes. LOL

Just based on a per 36:

Burton: 42% FG, 34% 3FG, 12.8 ppg, 4 rpg, -6.9% DEF DIFF

Ferguson: 42% FG, 36% 3FG, 9.3 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 1.7% DEF DIFF

[Dadouv47]

You know why my Kia sucks? I think the cheap rims on it need to be replaced with some of Walmart's finest plastic spinners. That will put me on par with the BMW's of the world.

Here's the thing. No one is claiming that Burton will make a huge difference and is the magic bullet to pull OKC out of this funk. But when your margin for error is small like OKC's, it's up to the coach to make the right decision to maximize the talent that he does have. You do that by not pulling players when they are hot and in the case of Ferguson and Burton, you do that by inserting a player who offers more than just spot up jumpers from corner.

Little things like that add up and are usually the difference in games.

That’s why I’m saying people are missing the issue. Maybe player management makes a difference against the mavs or clippers but it wouldn’t have mattered last night and that’s unacceptable. We just came off a bad loss and should have been refocused against a team that our guys know is very good we’re on prime time tv. They didn’t even have Durant. Yes I know once upon a time they won 73 games without him but this particular team isnt as deep. We couldn’t even lose closely like Houston did? That’s unacceptable and not a one time fluke.

Blame Presti. Blame Dononvan. Blame russ for being a low iq player and piss poor defender. Blame Adams contract. I don’t care but the reality is there is too much wrong with this team and how it is constructed to win anything meaningful even if the warriors didn’t exist. Let’s say Burton ends up being better than Ferguson. Then what? Are we now a good team? Does Russ learn how to control his emotions and quit slacking on defense? Does Adams stay healthy all year long and renegotiate his contract? Does Dononvan not do Dononvan stuff? Does Presti quit chasing bad contracts?

I don't get the hate on Adams lately. He was great in most games (he had a bad month this year but then he was back to himself).

Sure it would ideal if he was getting paid 20 millions instead of 25 but that's not on him.

Coaching staff was during a great job the first months of the season but since...mediocre like since he came to OKC.

[ThunderBolt]

Here's the thing. No one is claiming that Burton will make a huge difference and is the magic bullet to pull OKC out of this funk. But when your margin for error is small like OKC's, it's up to the coach to make the right decision to maximize the talent that he does have. You do that by not pulling players when they are hot and in the case of Ferguson and Burton, you do that by inserting a player who offers more than just spot up jumpers from corner.

Little things like that add up and are usually the difference in games.

That’s why I’m saying people are missing the issue. Maybe player management makes a difference against the mavs or clippers but it wouldn’t have mattered last night and that’s unacceptable. We just came off a bad loss and should have been refocused against a team that our guys know is very good we’re on prime time tv. They didn’t even have Durant. Yes I know once upon a time they won 73 games without him but this particular team isnt as deep. We couldn’t even lose closely like Houston did? That’s unacceptable and not a one time fluke.

Blame Presti. Blame Dononvan. Blame russ for being a low iq player and piss poor defender. Blame Adams contract. I don’t care but the reality is there is too much wrong with this team and how it is constructed to win anything meaningful even if the warriors didn’t exist. Let’s say Burton ends up being better than Ferguson. Then what? Are we now a good team? Does Russ learn how to control his emotions and quit slacking on defense? Does Adams stay healthy all year long and renegotiate his contract? Does Dononvan not do Dononvan stuff? Does Presti quit chasing bad contracts?

I don't get the hate on Adams lately. He was great in most games (he had a bad month this year but then he was back to himself).

Sure it would ideal if he was getting paid 20 millions instead of 25 but that's not on him.

Coaching staff was during a great job the first months of the season but since...mediocre like since he came to OKC.

When you want to be a contender value is as important as performance. Fair or unfair, for okc to compete for a title they needed to get Adams on a a contract like Capela’s and hope he became better than he is now. This is even more true with having russ’ supermax on the roster.

[Dadouv47]

I mostly blame Presti for not trading for a wing at the trade deadline. He already knew Roberson wasn't coming back.

Our roster this year with an healthy Roberson would have been great (Ferguson being our back up wing) so I don't think the roster construction wasn't that bad (missing some shooters as usual though)

[Dadouv47]

That’s why I’m saying people are missing the issue. Maybe player management makes a difference against the mavs or clippers but it wouldn’t have mattered last night and that’s unacceptable. We just came off a bad loss and should have been refocused against a team that our guys know is very good we’re on prime time tv. They didn’t even have Durant. Yes I know once upon a time they won 73 games without him but this particular team isnt as deep. We couldn’t even lose closely like Houston did? That’s unacceptable and not a one time fluke.

Blame Presti. Blame Dononvan. Blame russ for being a low iq player and piss poor defender. Blame Adams contract. I don’t care but the reality is there is too much wrong with this team and how it is constructed to win anything meaningful even if the warriors didn’t exist. Let’s say Burton ends up being better than Ferguson. Then what? Are we now a good team? Does Russ learn how to control his emotions and quit slacking on defense? Does Adams stay healthy all year long and renegotiate his contract? Does Dononvan not do Dononvan stuff? Does Presti quit chasing bad contracts?

I don't get the hate on Adams lately. He was great in most games (he had a bad month this year but then he was back to himself).

Sure it would ideal if he was getting paid 20 millions instead of 25 but that's not on him.

Coaching staff was during a great job the first months of the season but since...mediocre like since he came to OKC.

When you want to be a contender value is as important as performance. Fair or unfair, for okc to compete for a title they needed to get Adams on a a contract like Capela’s and hope he became better than he is now. This is even more true with having russ’ supermax on the roster.

Blame Presti then, not Adams. Adams is WAY better now than when he signed his extension. He improved year after year.

[1bigfan13]

Here's the thing. No one is claiming that Burton will make a huge difference and is the magic bullet to pull OKC out of this funk. But when your margin for error is small like OKC's, it's up to the coach to make the right decision to maximize the talent that he does have. You do that by not pulling players when they are hot and in the case of Ferguson and Burton, you do that by inserting a player who offers more than just spot up jumpers from corner.

Little things like that add up and are usually the difference in games.

That’s why I’m saying people are missing the issue. Maybe player management makes a difference against the mavs or clippers but it wouldn’t have mattered last night and that’s unacceptable. We just came off a bad loss and should have been refocused against a team that our guys know is very good we’re on prime time tv. They didn’t even have Durant. Yes I know once upon a time they won 73 games without him but this particular team isnt as deep. We couldn’t even lose closely like Houston did? That’s unacceptable and not a one time fluke.

Blame Presti. Blame Dononvan. Blame russ for being a low iq player and piss poor defender. Blame Adams contract. I don’t care but the reality is there is too much wrong with this team and how it is constructed to win anything meaningful even if the warriors didn’t exist. Let’s say Burton ends up being better than Ferguson. Then what? Are we now a good team? Does Russ learn how to control his emotions and quit slacking on defense? Does Adams stay healthy all year long and renegotiate his contract? Does Dononvan not do Dononvan stuff? Does Presti quit chasing bad contracts?

I don't get the hate on Adams lately. He was great in most games (he had a bad month this year but then he was back to himself).

Sure it would ideal if he was getting paid 20 millions instead of 25 but that's not on him.

Coaching staff was during a great job the first months of the season but since...mediocre like since he came to OKC.

I think a lot of disdain, at least on my part, comes from the return we're getting from that massive contract he was handed.

It's irrational, I know, but when you see someone being paid that much you want more bang for your buck.

Presti should definitely be catching his fair share of the blame as well.

Another point worth mentioning. It sucks that Adams hit FA when he did. When Adams' contract was coming up, teams around the league were handing out ridiculous contracts to any notable FA because of money from that new TV deal. Mike Conley for instance got a contract that's paying him over $30M per year. But it seems like in the last year or two those outlandish contracts are going away. Common sense is finally being exercised again.