OKC Thunder Trades and Transaction Thread

Devilanche · Post #801 » by **Devilanche** » Wed Apr 26, 2023 10:22 pm

Pick Wembanyama
Keep Duren
See if Stewart can play more PF
The rest of the bigs doesn’t really matter in their long term plans . Up to them to force their way into the long term future.

Patches Perry · Post #802 » by **Patches Perry** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 1:13 am

jake_swivel wrote:Open question. What’s the max you’d trade for Allen? I really dig that fit. Obviously could be a 3 team trade so we don’t have to worry about Dort’s fit in Cleveland.

The primary bait should come from the trove of 1st round picks imo. We have to start cashing in those picks with non-project rookies. We need established talent. From there I think Mann/Kenrich/Wiggins should be the young talent also used as bait. I am not oppose to dealing Giddey or Dort but I'm not sure Jarrett Allen is enough to justify including them. I do understand that Dort might be the way to make the contracts work though.

Dieng is the wildcard. I really just have no idea what his value is.

Obviously not touching Shai and Jdub. Also, from a positional standpoint, including Jwill is counterproductive because he'll be a very good rotation big at worst imo. I'm not sure he won't be nearly as valuable as a frontcourt guy as Allen at some point, and he has a favorable contract for a couple years.

Mr Thunder Nick · Post #803 » by **Mr Thunder Nick** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:34 am

Giddey has to be untouchable. Also Sam is very high on him.

cjmcallist · Post #804 » by **cjmcallist** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 3:12 pm

Mr Thunder Nick wrote:Giddey has to be untouchable. Also Sam is very high on him.

Untouchable is a relative term but I agree with the sentiment.

Easy to forget how young he is. He’ll be 26-27 yrs old at the start of his second contract - if I did my math right.

cjmcallist · Post #805 » by **cjmcallist** » Sat May 6, 2023 11:00 am

Anyone have thoughts on the value of our 2024 picks?

I keep hearing the draft will be low on talent. So, either that means the picks are of low value - or they are of high value because it’s an opportunity to strike when others are selling. Thoughts?

Post #806 » by **Dadouv47** » Sun May 7, 2023 1:04 pm

cjmcallist wrote:Anyone have thoughts on the value of our 2024 picks?

I keep hearing the draft will be low on talent. So, either that means the picks are of low value - or they are of high value because it’s an opportunity to strike when others are selling. Thoughts?

I don't know but I think it's very valuable and I would only trade it with some protection. An unprotected FRP from a team ranked 10th in the West that overperformed is still very valuable even if the next draft is weak. You can still get elite talent at the top in a weak draft (Lamelo, ANT in 2020, Banchero and hopefully Chet in 2022)

I wouldn't mind gambling on ourselves and trading Thunder 2024 top 4 protected and unprotected in 2025 if a good young player becomes available or if it helps us moving up in the draft for 5-6 spots. I think that pick would have around the same value as the Minny pick sent to Gs to "get rid" of Wiggins.

cjmcallist · Post #807 » by **cjmcallist** » Mon May 8, 2023 8:11 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:
cjmcallist wrote:Anyone have thoughts on the value of our 2024 picks?

I keep hearing the draft will be low on talent. So, either that means the picks are of low value - or they are of high value because it’s an opportunity to strike when others are selling. Thoughts?

I don't know but I think it's very valuable and I would only trade it with some protection. An unprotected FRP from a team ranked 10th in the West that overperformed is still very valuable even if the next draft is weak. You can still get elite talent at the top in a weak draft (Lamelo, ANT in 2020, Banchero and hopefully Chet in 2022)

I wouldn't mind gambling on ourselves and trading Thunder 2024 top 4 protected and unprotected in 2025 if a good young player becomes available or if it helps us moving up in the draft for 5-6 spots. I think that pick would have around the same value as the Minny pick sent to Gs to "get rid" of Wiggins.

I like the idea of betting on us a little bit. We have three other picks already in 2024, maybe those give us some confidence to take a swing.

Big nick · Post #808 » by **Big nick** » Mon May 8, 2023 8:14 pm

I am convinced we won't and can't draft 3 this draft. I believe some dealing takes place.

mr570 · Post #809 » by **mr570** » Tue May 9, 2023 10:17 pm

cjmcallist wrote:
Mr Thunder Nick wrote:Giddey has to be untouchable. Also Sam is very high on him.

Untouchable is a relative term but I agree with the sentiment.

Easy to forget how young he is. He’ll be 26-27 yrs old at the start of his second contract - if I did my math right.

I just really hope they start surrounding him with more shooting help finally. He's great because he can get guys easy shots. But we don't have a ton of guys who can finish those shots. Hendricks would be great. Hawkins would be great.

Post #810 » by **Dadouv47** » Thu May 11, 2023 1:20 am

What would be your best offer to get #10 from Dallas? (assuming Presti wants to keep #12 and Dort).

my best offer would be: Houston 2024 FRP, LAC 2024 and #35 for 10. Maybe that's too much...still think LAC will be able to have a decent record even if Kawhi misses a lot of time.

- Bertans + 10 for Saric, Mann, Butler, Miami 2025 FRP and #35 (don't think Dallas would want that).

Big nick · Post #811 » by **Big nick** » Thu May 11, 2023 1:28 am

Dadouv47 wrote:What would be your best offer to get #10 from Dallas? (assuming Presti wants to keep #12 and Dort).

my best offer would be: Houston 2024 FRP, LAC 2024 and #35 for 10. Maybe that's too much...still think LAC will be able to have a decent record even if Kawhi misses a lot of time.

- Bertans + 10 for Saric, Mann, Butler, Miami 2025 FRP and #35 (don't think Dallas would want that).

I think I would do that also I agree kawhi will miss games but they will still be pretty good.

Xatticus · Post #812 » by **Xatticus** » Thu May 11, 2023 8:27 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:What would be your best offer to get #10 from Dallas? (assuming Presti wants to keep #12 and Dort).

my best offer would be: Houston 2024 FRP, LAC 2024 and #35 for 10. Maybe that's too much...still think LAC will be able to have a decent record even if Kawhi misses a lot of time.

- Bertans + 10 for Saric, Mann, Butler, Miami 2025 FRP and #35 (don't think Dallas would want that).

Dallas isn't going to have any interest in future draft capital unless they can immediately flip it for what they actually want and they aren't going to pay anyone to take Bertans. Their mission this offseason is to turn next year's team into a contender and the best asset they have to make that happen is a lottery pick in this year's draft. Bertans' contract might look like a negative asset to you, but they aren't going to treat it as a negative asset. In other words, they aren't going to take a lesser return just to shed him from their books. That's counterproductive to what they are trying to accomplish.

I just don't see the fit between the two organizations, particularly under the given constraints. I'm sure Dallas would like Kendrich or Wiggins, but you aren't getting a lottery pick in return.

Post #813 » by **Dadouv47** » Fri May 12, 2023 1:26 am

Xatticus wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:What would be your best offer to get #10 from Dallas? (assuming Presti wants to keep #12 and Dort).

my best offer would be: Houston 2024 FRP, LAC 2024 and #35 for 10. Maybe that's too much...still think LAC will be able to have a decent record even if Kawhi misses a lot of time.

- Bertans + 10 for Saric, Mann, Butler, Miami 2025 FRP and #35 (don't think Dallas would want that).

Dallas isn't going to have any interest in future draft capital unless they can immediately flip it for what they actually want and they aren't going to pay anyone to take Bertans. Their mission this offseason is to turn next year's team into a contender and the best asset they have to make that happen is a lottery pick in this year's draft. Bertans' contract might look like a negative asset to you, but they aren't going to treat it as a negative asset. In other words, they aren't going to take a lesser return just to shed him from their books. That's counterproductive to what they are trying to accomplish.

I just don't see the fit between the two organizations, particularly under the given constraints. I'm sure Dallas would like Kendrich or Wiggins, but you aren't getting a lottery pick in return.

I mostly agree with you except for the Bertans part. It's gonna take a FRP to get rid of him and they badly need cap space if Irving stays.

I do agree that we are a bad trading partner for them but if we "overpay" for that pick in terms of value, they could end up using the picks we send them to acquire a bit more talent than another team would offer. It really depends what kind of players teams offer for #10. We couldn't beat an OG offer for #10 for example that's for sure.

Presti probably isn't trading Kenrich and while I like Wiggins a lot, I wouldn't mind trading him if he has value for any good team (he should be part of our core to me but our coaching staff clearly don't feel the same).

Post #814 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sat May 13, 2023 3:25 pm

I’d be willing to buy low on Isaac from Orlando. Very low.

Xatticus · Post #815 » by **Xatticus** » Sat May 13, 2023 8:55 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:I’d be willing to buy low on Isaac from Orlando. Very low.

I don't think I would at this point. They can just dump him if they so choose, I believe, because his contract isn't guaranteed, but he is popular with the ownership group (for obvious reasons). He's a wonderful player, but I just don't know how you can trust that you could ever rely on him to stay healthy for any sort of time. Everyone knows he is injury-prone, but he also seems to require double the recovery time of your average player.

The guy in Orlando that I would keep an eye on is Suggs. They aren't prioritizing his development and they aren't treating him like a high-ceiling talent, but he very much is. He is special at the defensive end and he makes winning plays at a high frequency. He needs time to build out his ball skills and decision-making, but the talent is there. I'd love to see them throw $30M per year at FVV, because then the writing would be on the wall for Suggs in Orlando and you might be able to pick him up for a protected FRP.

Post #816 » by **Dadouv47** » Sat May 13, 2023 10:02 pm

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what about Kuminga? I hate the fit because of the lack of shooting but I still like him a lot.

Post #817 » by **Dadouv47** » Sat May 13, 2023 10:04 pm

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what about Kuminga? I hate the fit because of the lack of shooting but I still like him a lot.

Devilanche · Post #818 » by **Devilanche** » Sun May 14, 2023 1:44 am

Yes to Kuminga no to Isaac and Suggs.

I think fit wise we still have minutes to develop Kuminga and I doubt Isaac will be healthy when it matters .

Post #819 » by **Dadouv47** » Sun May 14, 2023 4:22 am

Devilanche wrote:Yes to Kuminga no to Isaac and Suggs.

I think fit wise we still have minutes to develop Kuminga and I doubt Isaac will be healthy when it matters .

issue with Kuminga is that I think a lot of teams will make good offers for him so I'm not sure he's worth giving up a couple of FRPs (something like that).

Not a Suggs fan and I doubt he's available for cheap. Magic probably better wait another season except maybe if they draft Scoot Henderson.

Devilanche · Post #820 » by **Devilanche** » Sun May 14, 2023 4:53 am

Dadouv47 wrote:
Devilanche wrote:Yes to Kuminga no to Isaac and Suggs.

I think fit wise we still have minutes to develop Kuminga and I doubt Isaac will be healthy when it matters .

issue with Kuminga is that I think a lot of teams will make good offers for him so I'm not sure he's worth giving up a couple of FRPs (something like that).

Not a Suggs fan and I doubt he's available for cheap. Magic probably better wait another season except maybe if they draft Scoot Henderson.

Oh I don’t think Kuminga will come cheap but the glimpse that he have shown so far hasn’t really discounted his price to me. I think he just lack opportunity.

If you feel we need a point of attack defender I can see the allure of Suggs but otherwise , we might as well try to get cheapish shooter for the bench rather than pay a premium for him.