Around the NBA: 2017—2018

[spearsy23]

This year's Cavs City jerseys are gonna say cLEAVEland on them.

[Old Man Game]

Wow. No wonder he fell off a bit.

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[spearsy23]

The whole KD thing is actually bad at this point. Somebody has to be telling him to stop, right? And at the same time, two years later shouldn't you be secure enough in your decision that you don't need to keep defending it? I don't think he realized the effect it was actually going to have in his legacy.

[bondom34]

The whole KD thing is actually bad at this point. Somebody has to be telling him to stop, right? And at the same time, two years later shouldn't you be secure enough in your decision that you don't need to keep defending it? I don't think he realized the effect it was actually going to have in his legacy.

I can't fathom how his handlers still let him online.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Everyone knew, except him. Draymond and GS didn't care about his legacy. I'm sure Russ warned him, but he wasn't seeing clearly enough to listen. His mom might have warned him, but it seems like he wasn't listening to her at that point.

[ozwizard8]

I noticed you didn't quote me.

The team wasn't underperforming offensively with Westbrook on the court. They were underperforming defensively with Melo though

Westbrook draws the same attention and can elevate an offense similarly. Melo can't and doesn't.

And the Lakers comps are just all wrong.

The issue was Melo can't see he isn't a high impact player but thinks he is. Westbrook, and to a lesser extent George, are. Westbrook is one of the top 5-10 at worst players in the league (closer to 5 but you could argue him out of it based on a down year). Thats not this team's issue.

Lakers comps are not all wrong.

But you comparing WB vs Melo is just funny.
I didnt compliment anything Melo did last year or last couple years.
I never compared the legacy of Melo with WB.
Why do you bring those silly stuff?
Ad hominem at its best.

Melo's perception by public says he should be a bench player with vet. min contract.
After another year passed without Durant, WB continue to struggle to gel with others. He struggle to create Curry-Harden like havoc on opponent offense. His efficiency was really bad for his standarts. And it was worse if you compare it to his competition.
Melo's not even considered as legit starter at this point. Comparing him to WB doesnt make sense at all.

[bondom34]

I noticed you didn't quote me.

The team wasn't underperforming offensively with Westbrook on the court. They were underperforming defensively with Melo though

Westbrook draws the same attention and can elevate an offense similarly. Melo can't and doesn't.

And the Lakers comps are just all wrong.

The issue was Melo can't see he isn't a high impact player but thinks he is. Westbrook, and to a lesser extent George, are. Westbrook is one of the top 5-10 at worst players in the league (closer to 5 but you could argue him out of it based on a down year). Thats not this team's issue.

Lakers comps are not all wrong.

But you comparing WB vs Melo is just funny.
I didnt compliment anything Melo did last year or last couple years.
I never compared the legacy of Melo with WB.
Why do you bring those silly stuff?
Ad hominem at its best.

Melo's perception by public says he should be a bench player with vet. min contract.
After another year passed without Durant, WB continue to struggle to gel with others. He struggle to create Curry-Harden like havoc on opponent offense. His efficiency was really bad for his standarts. And it was worse if you compare it to his competition.
Melo's not even considered as legit starter at this point. Comparing him to WB doesnt make sense at all.

Westbrook gelled with George very well. I posted the numbers. You ignored them.

The issue was when Melo was added to Westbrook and George, that didn't work. Westbrook doesn't create offense like others? What? And he doesn't gel? Huh? I think you're either ignoring reality or just not caring to talk about it. Its pretty clear at this point you weren't really noticing this team prior to Melo, and now blame Westbrook apparently for not playing well with others when in reality it wasn't him, and mostly hasn't ever been.

And yeah, the Lakers comps were all wrong. For reference, projections have them as a borderline playoff team.

[slick_watts]

i want to join in on this soooooo bad.

[bondom34]

Go for it. Everyone knows your stance. Westbrook makes them all worse and Durant all better and he should have left because Presti failed them by trading for Nader. Melo was great and he's gonna light it up on Houston and George will literally turn into Harrison Barnes because everything Westbrook touches turns to garbage.

He's absolutely lifted good to.great offenses. This is just like Houston fans wanting to trade harden after 2016, it's dumb.

[bondom34]

Oh and the Lakers will be a top 3-4 seed because their depth and Rondo is a great point guard.

[slick_watts]

Go for it. Everyone knows your stance. Westbrook makes them all worse and Durant all better and he should have left because Presti failed them by trading for Nader. Melo was great and he's gonna light it up on Houston and George will literally turn into Harrison Barnes because everything Westbrook touches turns to garbage.

He's absolutely lifted good to.great offenses. This is just like Houston fans wanting to trade harden after 2016, it's dumb.

bruh you sound like kd on twitter. calm down.

[bondom34]

Nah, not really. Just tired. And don't need to read ridiculousness at 9AM

[Atomic Punk]

The whole KD thing is actually bad at this point. Somebody has to be telling him to stop, right? And at the same time, two years later shouldn't you be secure enough in your decision that you don't need to keep defending it? I don't think he realized the effect it was actually going to have in his legacy.

KD is without a doubt one of the most sensitive, petulant, thin skinned pro athletes alive today. His complete and utter lack of self awareness is borderline shocking.

[Dn4sty]

The whole KD thing is actually bad at this point. Somebody has to be telling him to stop, right? And at the same time, two years later shouldn't you be secure enough in your decision that you don't need to keep defending it? I don't think he realized the effect it was actually going to have in his legacy.

KD is without a doubt one of the most sensitive, petulant, thin skinned pro athletes alive today. His complete and utter lack of self awareness is borderline shocking.

I actually am kinda starting to feel bad for KD. Life is about way more than money and basketball, and I think he is unraveling before our eyes. He’s in a bad place

[Atomic Punk]

The whole KD thing is actually bad at this point. Somebody has to be telling him to stop, right? And at the same time, two years later shouldn't you be secure enough in your decision that you don't need to keep defending it? I don't think he realized the effect it was actually going to have in his legacy.

KD is without a doubt one of the most sensitive, petulant, thin skinned pro athletes alive today. His complete and utter lack of self awareness is borderline shocking.

I actually am kinda starting to feel bad for KD. Life is about way more than money and basketball, and I think he is unraveling before our eyes. He’s in a bad place

It is because he set low expectations for himself and the Thunder and decided to settle on joining a championship team that really didn’t need him. He knows now that he took the easier path, that he didn’t fight, he gave in, and he won by joining the “best” rather than beating the “best”. I would be in a bad place too if I were in his shoes.

[Dn4sty]

KD is without a doubt one of the most sensitive, petulant, thin skinned pro athletes alive today. His complete and utter lack of self awareness is borderline shocking.

I actually am kinda starting to feel bad for KD. Life is about way more than money and basketball, and I think he is unraveling before our eyes. He’s in a bad place

It is because he set low expectations for himself and the Thunder and decided to settle on joining a championship team that really didn’t need him. He knows now that he took the easier path, that he didn’t fight, he gave in, and he won by joining the “best” rather than beating the “best”. I would be in a bad place too if I were in his shoes.

KD was the guy who stood up in front of everyone crying during his MVP speech saying his mom was the real MVP.

Now he’s the crazy guy who’s literally going off the deep end.

Listening to the back and forth between him and CJ and then this interview is so strange. He is rambling, incoherent, and all over the place.

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[Osirus89]

The whole KD thing is actually bad at this point. Somebody has to be telling him to stop, right? And at the same time, two years later shouldn't you be secure enough in your decision that you don't need to keep defending it? I don't think he realized the effect it was actually going to have in his legacy.

I can't fathom how his handlers still let him online.

The question I have is how did OKC manage to monitor him for so long. Either his demeanor has completely changed because of the backlash of the decision or they really kept things under control when he was on the team.

[slick_watts]

is being sensitive and having emotions a bad thing? especially facing the kind of backlash he has faced the past two years, kevin durant's behavior seems like a human response and not unusual to me. he hurt a lot of people when he signed in golden state, and i'm sure he feels conflicted about it to some extent. anyone would. he should probably stop talking about it, but hey, it's not harming anything for him on the court, the warriors are still winning, so i doubt anyone that matters actually cares all that much.

kd's demeanor and general emotional state reminds me a lot of shaq.

[ozwizard8]

Oh and the Lakers will be a top 3-4 seed because their depth and Rondo is a great point guard.

I never said Rondo is great point guard.

I did say Ball-Rondo duo is better pg rotation then Cavs had last year.
Rondo is pretty good defender when he's motivated. He can impact the game much more than George Hill.
Pelicans swept Blazers last year with him.
And also 2 years ago Rondo played key role against Celtics. Bulls won 2 games on TD Garden.
Lonzo Ball is also promising pg. He's a good defender too.

I'd pick those 2 against G.Hill-J.Clarkson.

Your next comment probably going to be sth like this:
'Oh and the Lakers will be a top 2-3 seed because Lonzo Ball is future HOF'er.'
Or sth related Carmelo would do great in Rockets. Like I ever imply anything like that. If you're interested go and read what I wrote about Melo in Rockets forums.

[bondom34]

Oh and the Lakers will be a top 3-4 seed because their depth and Rondo is a great point guard.

I never said Rondo is great point guard.

I did say Ball-Rondo duo is better pg rotation then Cavs had last year.
Rondo is pretty good defender when he's motivated. He can impact the game much more than George Hill.
Pelicans swept Blazers last year with him.
And also 2 years ago Rondo played key role against Celtics. Bulls won 2 games on TD Garden.
Lonzo Ball is also promising pg. He's a good defender too.

I'd pick those 2 against G.Hill-J.Clarkson.

Your next comment probably going to be sth like this:
'Oh and the Lakers will be a top 2-3 seed because Lonzo Ball is future HOF'er.'
Or sth related Carmelo would do great in Rockets. Like I ever imply anything like that. If you're interested go and read what I wrote about Melo in Rockets forums.

No, because that's not a better PG lineup. Rondo/Ball is a bad PG lineup, and Hill is a better player than either of them.

And you're not really proving anything here, Rondo is a bad backup PG and that's leaving alone that they're worse at every other position.

Just because you see big names doesn't mean good players.